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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: whburt on Friday 16 August 13 19:51 BST (UK)
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Hi;
Looking for information on "Andrew Wallace" b. 1824 Lanarkshire, d. June 13, 1869 Halifax, Nova Scotia. Have an obit for him (below) which was repeated in Glasgow Herald (Glasgow, Scotland), 7 July 1869. Any information on him or his family and how he end up in Canada would be greatly appreciated.
Acadian Recorder (Halifax, NS) June 14th, 1869
Death Notice
Wallace - On the 11th inst., Andrew Wallace, a native of Lanarkshire, Scotland aged 45 years. Funeral from his late residence Tower Rd to-morrow Sunday, at half-past four. Friends and acquaintances are respectfully invited to attend without further notice. (New York and Glasgow papers please copy)
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Hi whburt
There are more than one possibility for an Andrew Wallace born in the 1820s in Lanarkshire. What other info do you have on Andrew that has led to your interest in him?
Monica :)
Added: From an old post on A/try, he married a Susan Hutton, 1852 in Halifax - 7 children.
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Hi Monica;
Have information on him here in Nova Scotia after he got married in 1852 to Susan Hutton, he worked as a gardner in Halifax until his death in 1869, they had 7 children. Unfortunately the only information we have on him from Scotland is the obit. which shows he probably had relatives living in 1869 in Glasgow and New York at that time. No idea why, how or when in arrived in Nova Scotia, his marriage Banns were co-signed by a former Drum Major of the 37th Regiment of the Foot (John Mccartney) here in Halifax which may or may not reflect a military connection.
Wayne
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Hi Wayne,
Do you know his chilldrens names including middle names?
Names can perhaps relate to family members in Scotland.
Looby :)
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I was trying to check too on names Looby. I can see from online trees:
James Andrew Wallace 1854
William Rhind Wallace 1857
Margaret I Wallace 1857
Crawford Wallace 1860
John Robert Tench Wallace 1862
Charles Alexander Wallace 1864
Henry F Wallace 1867
Monica
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Thanks Monica! ;D
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Hi Looby/Monica;
You are probably hitting some of my information already online, really looking for the Scotland connection if it is possible. Have followed names showing up in the Scottish census information but most seem to be accounted for.
here are the children's names with a bit more detail.
i. James Andrew Wallace was born December 1853 in Halifax, Halifax Co., NS and died April 8, 1919 in Yarmouth, Yarmouth Co., NS.
ii. William Ryan Wallace (alias "William Rhyand", "William Rhind") was born About 1856 in Halifax, Halifax Co., NS and died March 27, 1927 in Dartmouth, Halifax Co., NS.
iii. Margaret I. Wallace (alias "Marg") was born 1857 in Halifax, Halifax Co., NS.
iv. Crawford Wallace (alias "Crofford") was born About 1860 in Halifax, Halifax Co., NS and died Before 1891.
v. John Robert Tench Wallace was born October 7, 1861 in Halifax, Halifax Co., NS and died August 23, 1940 in Halifax, Halifax Co., NS.
vi. Charles Alexander Wallace was born October 27, 1864 in Halifax, Halifax Co., NS and died June 3, 1945 in Halifax, Halifax Co., NS.
vii. Henry F. Wallace was born October 1867 in Halifax, Halifax Co., NS and died May 23, 1927 in Halifax, Halifax Co., NS.
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Wayne, the reason we diverted to children's names for Andrew and Susan is to check what if any possible family names could have been used which very often give clues on grandparents' names. This is often referred to as Scottish naming pattern (although the Irish like to do the same too). Numerous links for this online, this is one I like www.halmyre.abel.co.uk/Family/naming.htm
Susan was born in Nova Scotia from what I saw so this might make this a bit tricky in this respect.
Monica
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Hi Monica;
Thank you, though Susan (5th child) was born in Nova Scotia I do have more information on her family:
1. James Hutton was born About 1779 in Cruden, Aberdeenshire, Scotland and died June 3, 1827 in Halifax, Halifax Co., NS. He married Susan Cruickshank (alias "Crookshank", "Susana") July 6, 1806 in Peterhead, Aberdeenshire, Scotland. She was born About 1773 in Peterhead, Aberdeenshire, Scotland and died April 30, 1854 in Halifax, Halifax Co., NS, daughter of Alexander Cruickshank and (unknown).
Other events in the life of Susan Cruickshank
Christening : March 27, 1789 in Peterhead, Aberdeenshire, Scotland
Children of James Hutton and Susan Cruickshank:
i. Jane Hutton (alias "Jean") was born About 1808 in Aberdeen, Aberdeenshire, Scotland and died May 8, 1876 in Sherbrooke, QU.
ii. Sophia Hutton was born About 1812 in Lanarkshire, Scotland and died April 15, 1907 in Halifax, Halifax Co., NS.
iii. James Hutton was born About 1816 in Aberdeenshire, Scotland and died October 10, 1837 in Parrsboro, Cumberland Co., NS.
iv. Robert Robinson Hutton was born February 21, 1819 in Halifax, Halifax Co., NS and died April 3, 1836 in Halifax, Halifax Co., NS.
v. Mary Hutton was born October 6, 1821 in Halifax, Halifax Co., NS.
vi. Susan Ann Hutton (alias "Susana", "Ann") was born September 30, 1824 in North West Arm, Halifax Co., NS and died July 7, 1918 in Halifax, Halifax Co., NS.
vii. James Hyslop Hutton was born About 1843 in Halifax, Halifax Co., NS and died March 31, 1924 in Halifax, Halifax Co., NS. (adopted child)
viii. Charles Robertson Hutton (adopted child)
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A lot of boys for Andrew and Susan, with the exception of daughter Margaret born not too long after their marriage. With Susan's mother also being Susan and her family's Scottish connections, maybe the name is relevant and a possibility for Andrew's mother? Early censuses back in Scotland are not helping so far...
Monica
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Hi again,
There is a family in Barony, Lanarkshire
Father Andrew Wallace - Mother Margaret who on the 1841 Census have 7 children . The oldest is Andrew age 15.
The family are still all together on the 1851 minus Andrew. Of course this Andrew could have died or married and set up home elsewhere. :-\
Other family names David, Elizabeth, Peter, Margaret,Agnes and John.
Looby :)
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That looks promising Looby :) How to make the connections though from there...
Monica
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This family living at 77 North Street in 1851-
Andrew Wallace aged 49 Cotton Yarn Dresser born Renfrewshire Mearns
Margaret Wallace age 48 Cotton Yarn Dresser's wife born Renfrewshire Pollockshaws
Can't see a marriage yet for these two.
David aged 24 Grocer born Renfrewshire, Pollockshaws
Eliz aged19 Muslin darner born Lanarkshire Glasgow
Peter aged 17 Tobacconist shopman "
Margaret age 15 Scholar "
Agnes age 13 Scholar "
John age 9 Scholar "
Still not sure about this family :-\
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The problem always with this type of search and info we have so far, we don't really have any single concrete fact/event to work from so far. This always makes it very speculative doesn't it :-\
Monica
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On 1841 Census the family are at North Street-
Andrew 40 Cotton Power Loom Weaver born outside census county
Margaret 35 "
Andrew 15 Iron Smith Apprentice "
David 14 Grocers Shop Apprentice "
Elizabeth 11 Peter 8 Margaret 6 Agnes 4 John 10 months all born Lanarkshire.
Andrew jnr may well have been born in Renfrewshire like his brother. Not Lanarkshire but not a million miles away either??
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I agree Monica. It could be them and then again....probably not ;)
Wonder about the names of Andrew's children -
Crawford ? Probably a family surname?
Rhind ? Another family surname?
Tench?
Wonder what the I after Margaret and the F after Henry stood for?
Then again maybe they were very progressive folk and just called the children names they liked :)
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Thank you both for your insights.
Wish I did have more info, but spent a lot of time at the local Archives, even with help of one of the Archivist we could only come up with these bare bones. The Church the family was members was torn down and the records have been lost, death records not completely filled in etc, only found the Banns by luck it had been filed in the wrong county. The Huttons on the other hand found many documents: church and property records, a will and a Coroner Inquest into one of the son's death.
Wayne
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Keep looking Wayne :)
Something might turn up. Or someone might come across the post who has more info from their own research.
Good luck
Looby :)
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According to our family tradition, Andrew Wallace was a master bricklayer, and was recruited to come to Canada to help build the parliament complex in Ottawa. The family used to insist that they did not immigrate, but they were "imported".
Andrew may have had his occupation listed as a gardener on some records; many of the male members of the family were known for being quite good at this hobby. He died quite young--I have information on the cause of death.
His wife Susanna Hutton was said to be quite a strong woman. Violet Wallace said that Susan Hutton had a twin sister who may have died at sea. However I heard this story long ago and I can't vouch for its accuracy.
I had heard of the Cruickshank family but was not sure of the relationship with the Wallaces. Note that there is also an Andrew Wallace born to Robert Wallace and Janet Cruickshank, in Scoonie, Fife. However our tradition says that Andrew was from the Glasgow area.
Douglas Wallace said that there used to be a family tree that showed a Robert Wallace as the earliest ancestor. Also, like all Wallaces, the family claimed descent from a brother of Sir William Wallace ; )
I also have pictures of Andrew Wallace and Susan Hutton.