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Title: Help with death record please.
Post by: Wiggy on Monday 19 August 13 06:43 BST (UK)
What does the N G stand for here, after the person's name, please?    No grave??  Surely not  - or is it?    1791 record of St James, Middlesex.  I notice both people with N G are widows - I think.

Any help gratefully received! 

Wiggy  :)
Title: Re: Help with death record please.
Post by: GR2 on Monday 19 August 13 07:39 BST (UK)
No idea, but I have seen references elsewhere to "new ground". However, you would expect widows to be burried with their husbands, unless they are in new ground too. Seems to refer to a particular section of the burial ground.
Title: Re: Help with death record please.
Post by: Wiggy on Monday 19 August 13 07:43 BST (UK)
That's another possibility - thanks GR2   

I've also just noticed the names a couple down from these two women seems to have a 'p' before  the final column - Interesting - wonder what that means.  :-\

I just had another look at the whole page - not all the people with NG after their names are women - and there are lots who have P after them - can't see any with both though - just as a matter of interest.

Wiggy   :)
Title: Re: Help with death record please.
Post by: Kay99 on Monday 19 August 13 07:47 BST (UK)
Not sure what it means but I have found similar references on the burial records on the Lancashire Online Parish Clerk Project site. It seems to refer to the type of grave

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Bolton-le-Moors/Walmsley/christchurch/burials_1943-1955.html

Kay
Title: Re: Help with death record please.
Post by: DJFRENCH on Monday 19 August 13 08:20 BST (UK)
Hi,
I am guessing the P may mean Pauper.

NG may mean no grave or None Given.
What the the heading of the column?

Dj
Title: Re: Help with death record please.
Post by: Treetotal on Monday 19 August 13 09:30 BST (UK)
Not Given.
Carol
Title: Re: Help with death record please.
Post by: Wiggy on Monday 19 August 13 09:31 BST (UK)
But what is non given??  Please!    ;)

All those, on the Lancashire link above, would make me think that 'new ground' might have been a goer.   :-\

There were a lot on that series of records weren't there.

Wiggy    :D
Title: Re: Help with death record please.
Post by: Treetotal on Monday 19 August 13 09:39 BST (UK)
See here Wiggy:

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nychauta/CEMETERY/Poorhs1.html

Carol
Title: Re: Help with death record please.
Post by: Wiggy on Monday 19 August 13 10:04 BST (UK)
Thanks Carol!

I suppose it would be the same in UK/England.  Does that mean place of grave was not given then.

Dj, the letters were in the same column as the name - no separate column.

Wiggy   :)
Title: Re: Help with death record please.
Post by: Lady Di on Monday 19 August 13 10:17 BST (UK)
Hi Wiggy,

I found the following notations on some other burials in Westminster. Maybe they are in some way related to the letters on your burial records.

These "symbols" related to the fees charged for burials. eg DD = “double duty”, ie paying double for burial (larger plot or they possibly had money!!).  Others are GD (great duty), CD (child duty) CN (child burial-no fees), MY (St Margaret’s churchyard), CV (chancel vault), GV (great vault). I'm assuming the 1/2 (half) was half price but that's only a guess. It also seems that the "N" part is related to a "no fee" burial.

Di
 
Title: Re: Help with death record please.
Post by: Wiggy on Monday 19 August 13 10:31 BST (UK)
Thanks for that Di    :)

- and this one was closer to Westminster - well closer than NY anyhow   ;)

Hmm - interesting.  I wonder . . .  :-\

Wiggy       
Title: Re: Help with death record please.
Post by: Bookbox on Monday 19 August 13 14:29 BST (UK)
'N.G.' in this burial register stands for New Ground. It refers to the new burial ground surrounding St James Chapel in Hampstead Road, which belonged to the parish of St James Westminster and opened about this time.

http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=65195
Title: Re: Help with death record please.
Post by: Wiggy on Monday 19 August 13 22:42 BST (UK)
Thanks for that Bookbox  ;)

 - that seems fairly definitive then!   Interesting link.  :)

The record I found didn't say Westminster - (I don't think) - thought it  a bit odd saying St James, Middlesex, 'cos that's a small county isn't it?

Wiggy   :)
Title: Re: Help with death record please.
Post by: Bookbox on Tuesday 20 August 13 02:11 BST (UK)
I checked the register, and the parish is definitely St James Westminster, also known as St James Piccadilly, in the county of Middlesex.  :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_James%27s_Church,_Piccadilly
Title: Re: Help with death record please.
Post by: Wiggy on Tuesday 20 August 13 03:09 BST (UK)
Thanks very much!    ;)