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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Roscommon => Topic started by: LiamNT on Friday 23 August 13 01:35 BST (UK)
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Hello all, I am searching for information about my great grandfather and his family, Thomas Tobin born in Ballyfarnon, County Roscommon in 1901 and may have been an Old IRA volunteer, according to the elders in my family. Any information over Thomas and/or his family is greatly appreciated!
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The Irish Census of Ballyfarnan in 1901 was taken on the 2nd of April 1901 do you know if he was born before or after this date.
edit do you have his parents names or any other information that might help.
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1911 census shows the following at Ballyfarnan
Tobin Patrick 49 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic
Tobin Kate 38 Female Wife Roman Catholic
Tobin John Eddie 11 Male Son Roman Catholic
Tobin Tom 10 Male Son Roman Catholic
Tobin Michael 8 Male Son Roman Catholic
Tobin May Ellen 6 Female Daughter Roman Catholic
Tobin Paddie 4 Male Son Roman Catholic
Tobin Richard 2 Male Son
Also shows 7 children born 6 still living.
JRC11
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Family Search shows birth,
Thomas Martin Tobin
Boyle, Oct Dec 1901
volume 4 page 53.
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possible marriage for his parents
Patrick Tobins
April June 1899
Boyle
vol 4 page 47
match with a Kate Conlon same page.
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strange on 1901 census Patrick Tobin name spelt Tobins on census form but who filled out which census as the hand writing appears different on both, Patricks mother Mary alive living with him at same address age 75. i wonder in later years did he deliberately drop the s from his name or was that just his way of writing an n with a curl.
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I appreciate all of the responses! After looking at the census record myself, I believe that the 's' at the end may have been someone's poor attempt at cursive or, in the case of some of my family members, a mistake made by the writer. Nobody in my family is aware of a name change.
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Richard Tobin aged 2 was my grandfather his older brother Thomas did I believe die in. 1926
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Richard Tobin aged 2 was my grandfather his older brother Thomas did I believe die in. 1926
Now that is interesting. I have two records for my great grandfather that show him arriving in New York City in November, 1924. One of the records confirms that he came from Lisseevin in Ireland and his father was a Patrick Tobin. Really all that I have is hearsay after this from my family until the 1950 census records release for the US.
Kathleen Hegarty Thorne, the author of "They Put The Flag a-Flyin: The Roscommon Volunteers 1916-1923" had reached out after I bought a copy of the book and was able to confirm that Thomas Tobin, listed as being born in Ballyfarnon did leave Ireland after the civil war and that he had been sent to a Tin Town for much of the conflict.
This pretty much fits the narrative of my family's description of events. From what they had told me, he didn't leave Ireland under very good circumstances due to being in league with the IRA and he did so in a hurry bringing very little belongings. He then left Ireland to start a new life in the US. I'm not sure when exactly he died but I do believe he was older since he had retired after working as a bus driver.
I apologize if I'm rambling a bit, but does this seem to corroborate with any information that you know Humph?
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The petition for naturalization for the Thomas Tobin who arrived Oct. 1924 says he was born 4 Nov. 1901 in Ballyfarnon.
Perhaps this is him on the Social Security death index: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JP4F-KPD
This also may be him on the 1925 New York state census: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KS7C-DJW
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Hi Liam NT
Was Thomas your grandfather My Grandfather Richard his brother left Ireland in 1930 for the US he left and returned in the UK in the early 1930's and married my grandmother in 1934
He never spoke about his family in Ireland ever!
It was only when my younger brother went to Lisseevin in the late 90's and unbelievably meet some Tobin relations including some 1st cousins once removed
The story the current Irish Tobin's told about Thomas was that he was killed by the Black an Tans in 1926!! hence my statement
Any idea how we can contact so I can send you what I have from Patrick Tobin onwards not sure whether to post an email or mob number on here
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Shellyesq, thank you very much for going out of your way to look up Thomas' information.
hump99, I've sent you a personal message.
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birth
http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/f1d5eb1336895
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Further to my post after checking my records I was incorrect John Edward, the oldest child of Patrick Tobin, did in fact die in 1926 and the story told is that he was killed by the Black n Tans. Thomas your G Grandfather was known to have left for the US. My Grandfather visited him in 1930 intending to stay (I am glad he didn't!) but was deported! He arrived in England as stated in the early 1930s
(The moral of the story is that you should always check your records before making a post)
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No Black and Tan's in Ireland after 1922
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_and_Tans
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perhaps he died in 1924
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FTJM-3ZS
1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Roscommon/Ballyfarnan/Lisseevin/1656483/
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Hi dathia
thank you very much for looking up all the records on this subject for me and Liamnt; the links are a great help!
I was lead to believe that John Edward died in Jan 1926 as this was the date craved onto a family headstone
This was erected however in the early 90s so the family may vey well have got the date wrong I think i'11 order the photo copy of the death cert etc as only 4 euros