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Hello I'm trying to find the parent(s) of a Charles Heaton born 1881 in England - maybe Staines Middlesex/London area. He moved to Quebec Canada when he was 12. Have found travel doc on Ancestry but can see no relative travelling with him. Records say he was from 'St George in the East Parish' Was that an institution/workhouse and under privileged children were sent to Canada maybe to have a better life?
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Hi
There is no birth for him in that area between 1879-1883 www.freebmd.org.uk
St George in the East was a registration district in London
It's possible he may have been born in another county and his parents moved to London at a later date.
I can't see a match on the 1891 census in London/Middlesex or Surrey
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He was part of a large party of similar aged children who sailed to Quebec from Liverpool on 29.6.1893 aboard the Sardinian
I can't see any reference to his birthplace on the passenger list
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Records say he was from 'St George in the East Parish' Was that an institution/workhouse and under privileged children were sent to Canada maybe to have a better life?
Many groups of pauper children were emigrated to Canada by the London poor law unions, mostly from workhouse schools (British Home Children). Some were orphans, but others came from families where there were difficulties caused by poverty or illness, or where one parent had died or deserted and the other could not cope.
Charles Heaton was emigrated in 1893 under the care of the Catholic Rescue and Protection Society. See this link ...
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0vwp/
The passenger list shows that he was chargeable to the parish of St George in the East, which was part of the Stepney Poor Law Union. He wasn't necessarily born there, but before emigrating to Canada he will have been in the care of that union, probably at one of the Roman Catholic schools that they used for their pauper children.
To find out anything about his family circumstances you will probably have to trace him back through the poor law records, if they survive. To start with, you may be able to find him in one of the registers on Ancestry, in their database London, England, Poor Law and Board of Guardian Records, 1430-1930 > Tower Hamlets > Stepney. The records are not indexed -- you have to browse them page by page.
If not, there are plenty of records for the Stepney union that are not online. They are held at London Metropolitan Archives. If anyone can search there for you, they could start with the Board of Guardians minute books for St George in the East. The suitability of children for emigration to Canada etc. was usually discussed at great length by the Guardians.
If you don't have access to the records, or no-one can go for you, LMA offers a research service.
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Thanks for your reply. Confirms what I've found out about the Heatons only I probably did it back to front! I traced Charles as being in Quebec Canada living with Virginie Dessaulniers (1911 Canada Census) and married to Marie Louise Dessault (1910) (Virginie's husband's name) I couldn't find him in 1901 or 1891 but trawled the passenger lists and as you say he went from Liverpool to Quebec in 1893 with a Father Seddon and a group of 50 children from the ' Catholic Rescue and Protection Society' I was really hoping to find him with a guardian or parent. He married in 1910 and I think Hamilton was his son born in 1911 and who came to England in 1936 to study as a lawyer. Still not sure how Annie Hawkins/ Heaton was involved in all this. One relative suggested that Annie's sister was the mother of Hamilton but records of him born and his mother's name are not that easy to find. Anyway, many thanks and I'll keep on searching. Next step will be the poor law unions around the time of his birth. Regards
Sharon
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Hi,
Think this is probably your Charles in the 1891 Census
RG12; Piece: 1382; Folio: 137; Page: 5
He is listed as:-
Charles Eaton aged 10 born St. George in the East, Middlesex
resident at:-
St. Charles's School,
Certified by the local Government Board for children from the Workhouses
Weald Lane, Brentwood.
After accessing him on page 5 (picture of Census) you need to access page 1 to see the above address in Brentwood.
There is also a possible birth on civil registrations:- www.freebmd.org.uk
Charles Eaton born June Quarter 1881 Holborn 1b 747. However there is also a death of
a Charles Eaton in same registration district and same quarter aged 0.
The dates of the Census were taken were:-
Sun/Mon. 3/4th April 1881 (so probably not born)
Sun/Mon. 5/6th April 1891
Any problems please come back.
Spendlove
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I agree that he is probably the Charles Eaton in the 1891 census; I remember unravelling a family at another board a while back whose name varied between Heaton and Eaton.
For info, Charles appears in the Canadian database of Home Children:
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/home-children/001015-100.01-e.php
Surname: HEATON
Given Name: Charles
Age: 12
Sex: M
Ship: Sardinian
Year of Arrival: 1893
Departure Port: Liverpool
Departure Date: 1893-06-29
Arrival Port: Quebec
Arrival Date: 1893-07-09
Party: Catholic Rescue and Protection Society
Destination: Montreal, Quebec
Comments: Rev. Seddon in charge with 50 children
I had wondered about this person in the 1881 census in St Geo in the East:
Charles Eden, 1, born St Geo in the East (birth reg Sept Q 1879 St Geo in the East)
- but he is in Gateshead in 1891 so not him.
If he was actually 10 in the 1881 census, though, he should have been born between April 1880 and April 1881 -- but 10 may have been less than accurate.
In 1881 there were no Heatons in St Geo in the East, but there were numerous Eatons. I might wonder about this household:
Mary Eaton, widow, 45, hawker, born Co Cork, Ireland
Martha Eaton, daughter, 21, servant, born St Geo in the East
Elizabeth Eaton, daughter, 15, hawker, born St Geo in the East
Either daughter might have had a child. Or, in 1871 there are also two sons:
James c1859 and Daniel c1862 (Jun Q 1861 St Geo in the East). Daniel may have married in 1890.
I can't see them in 1861 offhand.
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Also in an institution in 1891, born in St Geo in the East, are
George Eaton c1877
Albert Eaton c1879
both in St George in the East Industrial School in East Ham.
There might be a good possibility of them being siblings.
So far I haven't identified them positively in 1881.
A George Eaton c1878 with grandmother in Edmonton is a possible; there is a Jun Q 1877 birth to match.
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Many thanks for your suggestions and help towards finding the pieces of a very complex puzzle. Will pursue your links and probably get back to you soon. Good to have another brain (s) in on the search. Thanks again
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Just because one can't resist a puzzle ...
"Still not sure how Annie Hawkins/ Heaton was involved in all this. One relative suggested that Annie's sister was the mother of Hamilton but records of him born and his mother's name are not that easy to find."
Actually, we don't know who Annie Hawkins/Heaton is at all -- this is the first mention of her in your thread! If you could explain that, it could help somebody help more.
(We actually don't even know which "Records say he was from 'St George in the East Parish'." That is, what records you have that you have that info from. Telling everything you know and clarifying what you are really looking for is really important.)
Are Hamilton's parents not as shown in the 1911 census?
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/jpg/e002066659.jpg
Charles's birthdate there is given as April 1881 - yes, dang, that would be right after the 1881 census, in all likelihood.
Aha. I have just found Charles in 1901 at Ancestry by looking for anyone in Maskinongé born in England. Charley Hacton. Lemme look for him at automatedgenealogy or collectionscanada ...
Here you go.
http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/1901/z/z003/jpg/z000149964.jpg
automatedgenealogy has him as Haeton, which is how it looks to me.
(The problem with AG is no fuzzy searches; you have to guess the spelling, and I guessed that.)
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census/ViewFrame.jsp?id=78440&highlight=22
Adopted son of Leon and M. Louise Giguère, who also have a daughter ten years older.
It gives his birthdate as July 16, 1880, England.
I believe the occupaton says Ouvrier - labourer.
I think this is Virginie Dussault, aged 43, with daughters M. Louise and Berthe, as in 1911, and husband Hubert, a merchant. There is a Desaulniers family on the same page ... and a widowed 63-yr old L. Alexis Desaulniers farther down the page whom I might suspect of being her second husband. And oh look -- he is a lawyer.
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census/ViewFrame.jsp?id=78442&highlight=12
(The relationships and occupations are in French, so I've given the translations.)
Both families are living in Louiseville. It's rather an odd coincidence that the enumerator named on the page where Charley appears in 1911 is Charles Eaton!
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Does the Hawkins reference relate to this thread?
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=655251.msg5014418#msg5014418
I'm trying to find a Ralph Hawkins who was either born or lived in Birr. Born about 1835-1845. Moved back to England and married someone from Dorset. No mention of him in any census after his daughter was born in 1863 in Middlesex England.
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Have you looked for records in the Drouin Collection at Ancestry?
http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=1091
Quebec, Vital and Church Records (Drouin Collection), 1621-1967
I don't pay for access, but I note a birth of a Joseph Hubert Hamilton Heaton - Charles's wife's father was Hubert. By narrowing my search, it confirms he was born in 1911.
By doing a search for the marriage of blank name to Charles Heaton, we find that she was Marie Louise Augustina Dusseault.
Both events were in Louiseville. There are two other Heaton births in Louiseville between 1911 and 1921:
Marie Luce Leon Anie Lelly Heaton
Marie Adrianne Marguerite Florie Heaton
(as transcribed, of course)
If you have not had a look at those records, it could be worthwhile -- if Charles knew his father's/parents' names (I forget how much info is recorded), you might find that info there.
... and just because I am obsessive, I have found them in the 1921 census at Ancestry.
http://search.ancestry.ca/search/db.aspx?dbid=8991&o_iid=53636&o_lid=53636&o_sch=Web+Property
Select Quebec, Maskinongé, Louiseville.
They are on page 11 near the bottom. He is Charley again. The children are Hamilton, Lily and ... well, I might guess Gladys, but you give it a shot. No, wait, it must be Florry. All the children go by their last given name.
Unravelling this census is going to be a transcriber's nightmare.
Anyhow, is there a possibility that Charles's father was Joseph ... or Hamilton? Joseph being the baptismal name. Does the Anie in Lily's name maybe mean anything?
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And just more obsessiveness ... searching for Heaton marriages in the Drouin collection 1927-1967, we find only Lilly Heaton. She married Henri Beland in Louiseville in ... 1940.
A search at www.mundia.com shows multiple trees with Lilly Heaton who has family members Henri and Jean, but then returns no results. And no results at Ancestry.
btw, per Ancestry incoming passenger records, Hamilton Heaton arrived in Liverpool in 1934 from Montreal, dob shown as 1911, but that is all I can get w/o a subscription for those records.
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My goodness -- and the problem here is, we really do not know what you know, so you may know these things ...
http://csc.lexum.org/decisia-scc-csc/scc-csc/scc-csc/en/8601/2/document.do
(that is a Word doc) or here on line:
http://canlii.org/en/ca/scc/doc/1937/1937canlii45/1937canlii45.html
Hamilton Heaton as counsel in a case decided by the Supreme Court of Canada in 1937.
Opposing counsel was Louis St Laurent, KC, later the Prime Minister of Canada!
There is also a letter here (on page 101):
http://www.geologyontario.mndmf.gov.on.ca/mndmfiles/afri/data/imaging/42C02SE0727//42C02SE0727.Pdf
written in 1962 by Hamilton Heaton, acting for Du Pont of Canada Ltd.
I wish I knew what you know and what it is you are looking to find out!
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Does the Hawkins reference relate to this thread?
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=655251.msg5014418#msg5014418
I'm trying to find a Ralph Hawkins who was either born or lived in Birr. Born about 1835-1845. Moved back to England and married someone from Dorset. No mention of him in any census after his daughter was born in 1863 in Middlesex England.
Yes it does
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This is info for Annie Hawkins and her possible connections to the Heaton family. This project first began when a friend of mine intimated that there were a few 'missing links' in her family tree.
Annie Hawkins - born 1863 - Staines, Middlesex but also states on census Lambeth, London
Hawkins line:
Father - Ralph Hawkins - born Birr Co.Offally, Ireland - no records
No knowledge of name of mother - no birth certificate for Annie
Letters after death of Annie (given to my friend because her mother was Annie's daughter) confirm that the family lived in Burton Bradstock in Dorset.
Elizabeth Hawkins (born Burton Bradstock) married Philip Robert Jamison 1843 in Camberwell Her mother was a (Jane) Jenny Knight who married a Henry Hawkins in 1811. She had a brother Henry James Knight born 1821. Letters refer to Jamison as being Annie's uncle so I'm presuming Elizabeth was her aunt. Trying to find records of Elizabeth's sister who could possibly be Annie's mother.
Heaton line:
Annie had 3 daughters, Florence, Dorothy and Eveline who were born out of wedlock. She worked in a high society hotel in London (aged 16) and it's presumed the daughters all had different fathers. Dorothy was definitely a Henkel. Annie told her daughters just before they were married that their name wasn't Hawkins but Heaton. This is another part of the puzzle. She maintained that she married a John Richard Heaton. (interestingly, she had a lodger who was called John Richard Taylor) There are no records of a marriage between a Heaton and Hawkins circa 1891 or after when her first daughter would have been born. I think the marriage never happened. Her marriage certificate to her last (first) husband John Brown Powell 1893 states that she is a spinster but is crossed out and widow is inserted! Family trees have suggested that Charles Heaton is the son of Annie or her sister. I know Hamilton is Charles' son and mother Dussault altho I think she may have been married before to Caron unless her maiden name was Caron. Haven't followed this up yet. Still trying to find the birth of Charles and the possible info of who his mother was - a Hawkins?
Sharon
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This is all rather enormously confusing to the outsider!
The first thing that strikes me is that to find info about Elizabeth Hawkins who married Philip Robert Jamison 1843, you need to see the marriage certificate, to see whether she named a father and his occupation. Or is that where you have the name Ralph Hawkins from? Where do you have his birth place and approx date from?
No, sorry, wait, Elizabeth Hawkins' parents were Jenny Knight and Henry Hawkins who married in 1843.
So if Ralph Hawkins was Annie Hawkins' father, and Elizabeth Hawkins was Annie's aunt, Elizabeth was Ralph's sister. Which makes Ralph Hawkins the son of Jenny Knight and Henry Hawkins who married in 1811, and that doesn't seem to be working.
But you say that Annie's mother could be Elizabeth's sister.
So either Ralph Hawkins was Annie's father, or Elizabeth Hawkins' sister was Annie's mother.
It really can't be both, I think?
Can you give us some dates for Annie? She was 16 when she worked in the hotel - when? And her daughters were born when?
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Annie's daughters were: Florence Victoria (Heaton?) b.1889, Dorothy Henkle (Heaton) 1891, Eveline Heaton b.1892. She was married in 1893 to John Robert Powell so other daughters were legitimately Powells (birth certs)
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But can you explain how Ralph Hawkins comes into this, and how he is thought to be Annie's father if her mother is thought to be Elizabeth Hawkins' sister?
Could it be rather that Ralph Hawkins was Elizabeth Hawkins' brother, and maybe he was a little older than estimated, for example?
Ah -- Ralph Hawkins was the father named on Annie's eventual marriage certificate? Any occupation given, if so? How is his origin in Birr known?
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Was the first daughter's birth registered as Florence Victoria Hawker, Sept Q 1890, Edmonton reg dist?
I can't really identify the other daughters' births ... what is the "(Henkle)" you show for Dorothy?
Sorry, Eveline Heaton, Dec Q 1891, Kingston reg dist.
Per the 1901 (1911), Florence and Dorothy were born in London (Essex) and Eveline (Evelyn) was born in Hounslow (Middlesex).
And Annie married John Brown Powell as Annie Heaton, just to be clear, in 1893 in Brentford (which doesn't cover Hounslow).
If she named her father as a Mr Hawkins when she married, and claimed to be a widow named Heaton, it seems she was not married to Mr Heaton but was known publicly by that name, presumably as a result of a non-marital partnership with him.
What I am mainly not getting, myself, is how the connection between Charles Heaton (and his son Hamilton Heaton in Quebec) and Annie Hawkins and her family has been made at all. And, I guess, why the search was directed to Charles Heaton rather than to Annie Hawkins directly. ?
btw, I don't think you responded at all to all the info I found in the Cdn records ...
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The link between the Hawkins and the Heatons is this, as far as I know. Much of the info has been from Annie's grand daughter who has related to me what she has been told by her mother ( now deceased) and her aunt (still living , and a very vibrant 93 year old!). There are also letters to Annie from a few close relatives - (which Annie chose to keep - significant ) informing her of her Uncle's death - Jamison- and also of her father's death. I could poss send these to you via e-mail. It looks as tho Annie's father died maybe in Australia or Canada but he certainly emigrated, according to one letter sent to Annie when informed of his death. Hamilton Heaton claimed to be Annie's nephew. Not quite sure how this could be but am waiting for a reply from a relative of Hamilton's who has said that he has letters which Hamilton wrote regarding his Aunty Annie. Fingers crossed!
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Rather than sending copies of the letters, can you just confirm
Does the letter about Annie's father's death name him as Ralph Hawkins?
What exactly did the letter about his death say about him emigrating / where he died?
Is a father named on Annie's marriage certificate, and if so, what is the name?
If Hamilton Heaton was Annie's nephew, then Hamilton's father Charles Heaton was her brother (since we know his mother was Québécoise). Or ... Hamilton's father Charles Heaton was the brother of Annie's partner the unknown Mr. Heaton ...
You are so parsimonious with the actual facts!
Another thing we still don't have clear is the birth info of the three daughters -- i.e. the names as registered, and when and where registered.
I have just now found Annie in 1891, in Putney:
Annie Heaton, 27, married, no occupation, born Commercial Rd, Middlesex
Florence V, 2, born ?, Kent
Dorothy, 4/12, born Lambeth, Surrey
Jno R Taylor, 46, boarder, married, journalist author, born Fulham, Middlesex
Rich H Taylor, 9, born Brighton, Sussex
Amy M M Taylor, 7, born Hurstpierpoint, Sussex
Commercial Rd is in Staines, which I assume is the source of the info you gave earlier about her place of birth.
I don't see births to match either of the Taylor children. I also don't see a match for any of the Taylors in any other census. ... No, I suspect he is John R Taylor, aged 40, married to Eliza J, in Greenwich in 1881, a book seller incorrectly transcribed as boot seller by Anc'y. He had a son who was a medical student and two household servants, so was rather well off and it would seem odd for him to be a lodger in 1891. However, in 1891, Eliza J and two of the children are in Hove, Sussex, and she is still reporting married and living on own means.
Before that ... there is an oddment with a John R Taylor in 1871 ... two people who look a lot alike:
- John Richd Taylor, wife Eliza, born 1844 Shoreditch, living Stoke Newington, carpenter ... but listed as HOH after his wife
- John R Taylor, born 1845 Middlesex, lodger in St Pancras, widowed
Both are carpenters.
Since you have called him John Richard Taylor, but he shows in 1891 as only John R Taylor, you had looked into him as well?
It very much looks like the John Richard Taylor in the 1891 household was estranged from his wife and family ... but why would he have the young children of his marriage with him? They were almost certainly not children of his marriage to Eliza, so were they Annie's children?? Did he in fact go by the name Heaton, and that is why the younger children have that name?
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edit to add: my research overtook what is in this post, but I will just leave it all here in case it is ever useful. Basically, you can skip over this and move on to the next one, I think. ;)
This one gets a little complicated ... but have you ever looked at Alice Heaton in the 1881 and 1891 censuses? Born c1875, living with Beesley grandparents in both censuses. Since Thomas Beesley (Beasley) was unmarried in 1861, I would assume that Alice was the grandchild of Mary, child of her daughter before marriage to Beesley. In 1871, Thomas and Mary Ann Beesley have no children. I would guess that the marriage is Thomas Beesley + Mary Ann Butler 1865 Staines. (Mary Ann was older; born c1821.)
There is only one possible Butler+Heaton or Beesley+Heaton marriage that fits to produce a Heaton granddaughter: Jane Sarah Butler and Arthur Sherwin Heaton both appear in the list for June Q 1873 Marylebone. Yes, FS confirms that marriage, both fathers William. Arthur Sherwin Heaton was born 1838 St Pancras, and may have had a son by the same name who was born and died in St Geo H Sq 1878-79 (several other children born and died in St Geo H Sq that decade, so more likely they all belonged to Charles Wilson Heaton who married there in 1870, born c1840 Chelsea, so not a brother of ASH though ...). In 1841 ASH's parents were William, a tailor, and Henrietta, but I can't find him anywhere after that, or a death. Jane Sarah Butler was born 1852 Staines (Stanwell) and possibly died 1949 Kensington (although age 88 is out), but no hide nor hair of her in censuses post-marriage either; in 1861 she is with parents William and Mary Ann in Staines.
Aha. In 1871, he is Arthur Eaton with mother Henrietta in St Marylebone -- a mariner, his widowed mother a lodging house keeper.
Alice Heaton is clearly the daughter of this couple: Alice Sherwin Heaton, March Q 1875, Staines. And something happened to her parents, or their marriage, by 1881. She married in 1895 in Staines, to Edward Kent, and moved to Hampshire and had several children.
Could Arthur Sherwin Heaton be our mystery man? Trees at Mundia show his birth and marriage but nothing more. Could Charles Heaton c1880 have been a son of Arthur, registered under his mother's surname? Arthur was old enough that Annie born c1865 could also have been his daughter, before his marriage to Jane Sarah Butler.
It's just that Heaton in Staines is so scarce on the ground ...
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And just throwing anything potentially interesting into the mix ... and since St Geo in the East was in issue at the outset ...
1861 in St Geo in the East, mistranscribed as "Heston":
Ralph Heaten, 40, labourer, born Ireland
Sarah Heaten, 35, born Dorset
Eliz Mary Heaten, 1, born Stepney?, Middlesex
- birth reg Dec Q 1859 Stepney
Elizabeth Mary Heaton was born Dec Q 1859 in Stepney reg dist.
There is a Ralph Heaton marriage Dec Q 1855 Whitechapel with a bride missing.
There is a Ralph Heaton death Dec Q 1876 St Geo in the East, aged 66.
An Ann Heaton was born in St Geo in the East in Sep Q 1863.
Oh look.
The missing bride is Sarah Hawkins. The page number has been mistranscribed as 765 rather than 763. (The page is essentially illegible at Anc'y but this is the only thing that makes sense, as there is a spare bride on that page, but a certificate or parish record would be needed.)
Too much coincidence?
In 1851, Sarah Hawkins born in Dorset c1825 appears to be in Stepney with her aunt Sarah Knight, born in Burton, i.e. Dorset, c1796, a widow.
Way too much coincidence, I think:
Elizabeth Hawkins (born Burton Bradstock) married Philip Robert Jamison 1843 in Camberwell Her mother was a (Jane) Jenny Knight who married a Henry Hawkins in 1811.
Sarah Knight c1796, a Knight by marriage ... not sure what the connection works out to, but her husband was the brother of Jenny Knight maybe?
There are a possible marriage at FS, in Burton Bradstock:
Sarah Bishop to Robert Knight 1822
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NX3L-TYM
Jane Knight 1787 had a brother Robert Knight 1790:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J9NW-S2L
Sarah Bishop baptised Burton Bradstock 1796:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N1BY-ZG9
In 1871 and 1881, Sarah Knight is in Sutton, Surrey, with daughter Elizabeth M Allport.
I guess what we are seeing is that Sarah Hawkins c1825 Dorset, who married Ralph Heaton, was undoubtedly
- the daughter of Jenny Knight and Henry Hawkins who married in 1811
and thus
- the younger sister of Elizabeth Hawkins who married Philip Robert Jameson in 1843.
In 1841, Sarah Hawkins appears to be in Burton Bradstock with Mary Coombs, 30, and Mary Hawkins, 29, all labourers, no relationships stated, but there are an absolute load of ag lab Coombes-s on those two pages. Jenny and Henry Hawkins appear to be deceased by 1841.
Mary Hawkins baptised 1811 Burton Bradstock, daughter of Henry and Jane:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N644-NZF
Elizabeth Hawkins, 1818, ditto:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N64H-56X
but no Sarah ...
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X84Q-P6G
Ralph Heaton, Tax Assessment, 1823, Ballinree, Birr, King's County, Ireland
Wrong generation to be our Ralph, but maybe a close relation?
This could be the marriage of one of that Ralph Heaton's children in Birr:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGD9-5XG
A Ralph Heaton did marry a Mary Ann Kennedy in 1876 in Parsonstown and have children Sarah and Thomas -- perhaps this is our Ralph, gone back home? And the widowed Mary Anne, aged 46, greengrocer, with children Thomas, Sarah, Ellen and Mary Anne, is in the 1901 Irish census in Birr. ... But probably scratch that: a Ralph Heaton aged 44 died in Parsonstown in 1898.
A Sarah Heaton aged 41 died in Pancras reg dist in 1866. This would be a perfect match for Sarah Hawkins Heaton.
Now where is Ann Heaton 1863 in 1871 and 1881?
Oh -- except you know where she was in 1881 (a servant in a ritzy hotel) and you just haven't told us?
At least this finally explains why it made no sense to me that Ralph Hawkins was Annie's father, when her mother's sister was allegedly a Hawkins!
Annie was a Heaton by birth, at least by name at birth.
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I feel a need to summarize. ;)
Ralph Heaton c1821 Ireland
married
Sarah Hawkins c1825 Burton Bradstock, Dorset
They had known daughter
Elizabeth Mary Heaton 1859 Stepney
and hypothesized daughter
Ann Heaton 1863 St Geo in the East
Sarah Hawkins was apparently the daughter of Jenny Knight and Henry Hawkins.
Jenny Knight's brother Robert Knight was married to Sarah Bishop 1796 Burton Bradstock.
In 1851, before her marriage to Ralph Heaton, Sarah Hawkins was living with widowed aunt-in-law Sarah Bishop Knight in Stepney.
There is no sure sighting of any of Ralph, Sarah, Elizabeth Mary or Ann in 1871, or after that for any of them except Ann/Annie.
You may know where Annie was in 1881.
Annie Heaton appears in 1891 with her daughters and the lodger John R Taylor, who appears to be estranged from his wife Eliza and has children with him who are younger than his known children with wife Eliza and older than Annie Heaton's children.
Annie Heaton eventually marries as Heaton, claiming to be a widow, probably for propriety because she has children.
Annie may have had her children use the name Hawkins, and used it herself, if she was deserted by or never really knew her father Ralph Heaton.
So ... where does Charles Heaton 1880/1881 come into this now??
Not a son of Ralph Heaton and Sarah Hawkins, as she would have been 55 at that time -- and that is the only way that Annie could have been Hamilton Heaton's aunt.
My guess is that he was the son of either Annie or Elizabeth Mary Heaton.
If Charles was the son of Elizabeth Mary Heaton, Annie would have been his aunt and Hamilton's great aunt.
Stopped summarizing and just adding now ... ;)
Possibly of interest in 1851 is a Michael Heaton in Christchurch, Middlesex, policeman, born c1821 in Birr, King's County (transcribed by Anc'y as Birrkings). Of course there are a gazillion other Irish Heatons, but only that one that specifies Birr.
Stop presses, have them in 1871,
Ralph Eaton, c1816, born in St Geo in the East
Sarah Eaton, c1823, born ditto
Mary, c1860, born ditto
Ann, c1863, born ditto
Ralph, c1866, born ditto
I had wondered about the Ralph birth in June Q 1866 in St Geo in the East, of course.
But then they all disappear again.
A Ralph Heaton with parents Ralph and Sarah died in NSW in 1894 ...
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/Index/IndexingOrder.cgi/search?event=births
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Hey ho! You won't mind if I copy bits of your PM here so I can talk about it. (Same as you were reading the thread while writing in a PM. ;) I'm lucky, I work on two monitors.)
You seem to have unravelled the mystery about the Hawkins/Heaton family. I appreciate all you have done, with the confusing and unreliable information we have been led to believe. Just to answer your questions, altho' this probably won't have any bearing now:
I have a copy of Annie's marriage cert from parish records. Her father was stated very clearly as Ralph Hawkins, farmer. Info from daughters have said he was from Birr.
Hooray! I haven't unravelled a good mystery in a while now so phew, that feels good. ;)
Father Ralph Hawkins ... I think that is going to be one of those "just one of those things" things. Possibly if she was claiming to be widowed, she had to come up with a name for her father that didn't match her own.
The letter I have (1894 from Mary Allport (nee Elizabeth Mary Knight) to Annie about her father just names him as Ralph, no mention of where he died 'it is hard his dying away but you know our doctor here said his life was impossible to be lived here in England'. Hold on, have just re read the last bit of the letter. 'I myself am seriously thinking of going to Australia' (which is where her son Roland was) So Ralph prob went to Australia.
Well there we are -- I almost didn't bother mentioning that aunt Sarah Knight was living with her Allport daughter in later censuses, but there is another clincher on the Sarah Hawkins living with her in 1851. I wonder what medical reason there might have been for emigrating.
1894 is the date of the death in NSW Australia that I posted above. The certificate could tell you useful things, if, of course, the person who registered the death had the necessary info. Aussie certificates name parents, children ... and are expensive. A transcription service will get you the same info for half the cost.
There is also another letter to Ralph, again from Mary Allport. No envelopes, so no surname. (letters are very old and in pieces) Mary makes a comment about Jamison, Annie's uncle who Annie begged Mary to settle Jamison's debts (£8!) 'He was so abominably rude to me all those years ago that I left him to himself.'
Robert Knight (married to Sarah Bishop) was Mary Knight Allport's father.
Jenny Knight (married to Henry Hawkins) was Sarah Hawkins Heaton's mother.
So Sarah Hawkins Heaton and Mary Knight Allport were first cousins -- Sarah's mother and Mary's father were siblings.
Mary Knight Allport was Annie Heaton's first cousin once removed -- she was a generation older than Annie.
Jamison was Annie's mother Sarah's brother-in-law -- he was married to Elizabeth Hawkins who was Sarah Hawkins Heaton's older sister. So he was Annie's uncle by marriage. He was not actually a direction relation of Mary Knight Allport -- he was her father's sister's son-in-law -- if I haven't boggled myself completely! Here is where a tree does come in handy.
In another letter to Annie she makes this comment 'What good did I do putting down money such as no-one else had, but your mother, whom I loved dearly and who was not gifted with your uncle's nasty temper' Is she talking about Jamison again?
Annie's mother Sarah Hawkins Heaton was Mary Knight Allport's first cousin.
Philip Robert Jamison was Sarah Hawkins Heaton's brother-in-law, i.e. Annie's uncle by marriage.
So yes, that would be Jamison she is talking about.
How I wish we had had this info to start with!!!
In answer to your other questions: I still haven't found any records of Annie, 1871,1881.
Check back -- I found them in 1871 as Eaton. ;)
oops, over limit, cont'd
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Passed down info from daughters about her working in hotel in 1881 but no census. Of course, I was looking for an Annie Hawkins! Just looked again
Annie Heaton c1864 servant Mile end town, Tower hamlets (b place St G in the East)- not quite the Ritz! Seem to remember the hotel was called Orleans House, not sure. Ok will check
That was one of a couple I'd looked at, and I suspect that is her.
There is an Orleans House private residence in St Mary Islington in 1881 where there is a domestic servant. The occupants are four unmarried siblings, the brothers being a solicitor and an architect. There is also an Orleans V(?) in Putney with similar occupants, a surgeon dentist and his unmarried sisters and domestic servants. And another Orleans House in St Mary Islington, occupied by a corn merchant and his family but no servants.
If you can't catch 'em in censuses, you will probably never know what they were doing. I am fairly certain of my great-aunt's father's surname (it was her middle name, a common custom, and we have the family knowledge of what her mother said), but because she was born in 1890, I am left guessing which household of that surname in or near Nottingham my gr-grmother was working in as a domestic servant the year before, 8 years after the previous census. (On the other hand, and in another line, I had the enormous and amazing luck of finding my gr-grfather's sister -- after figuring out who my gr-grfather was, which is a huge and epic tale in itself -- at the age of 16 in 1871 identified as an actress in apparently the one season she was on the stage in London, which led to all sorts of findings on line, including a picture of her in a photographic archive!)
Charles could be the same as my great-aunt -- born to a domestic servant mother just before a census.
Charles Heaton. No nearer to knowing who his mother was.
Yeah, eh? ;)
Sarah Hawkins Heaton was really just too old.
He could have been the son of Annie Heaton when she was 17ish, or her older sister Elizabeth Mary ...
And it helps not at all that he gave two completely different birthdates in the Canadian censuses.
But have you looked at his marriage record in the Drouin collection at Ancestry? I think you really need to do that if not, to see whether it does have any parent info.
Since Hamilton claimed Annie as his aunt, I am thinking maybe her sister Elizabeth Mary was Charles's mother, making Annie the great-aunt of Hamilton.
Anyhow, I am tending toward "John Richard Heaton" being John Richard Taylor -- the grain of truth in the fib being the given names, with the surname altered to conceal the fact that she was not married to him.
Charles Heaton .......... a mystery remaining for another day. But I keep forgetting that this is all for a friend and not yourself -- so this at least should start to fill in those missing links on her own family tree!
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Just conveying all this info to my friend via e-mail. Hope she's pleased. A couple of nagging thoughts: Sarah Heaton died 1866, can't be right if she's on the 1871 census, so will have to check that. Mystery as to where they all went in 1881. Still more digging then, but delighted you've found the connections between Hawkins/Heaton. Yes, it would have been good to have had these letters right from the start but at least I got them eventually and they've proved invaluable. Reply from Hamilton Heaton descendant. Says he will dig out letters from Hamilton. They may reveal more. Hope so!
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That was just an initial possible theory about Sarah Heaton's death -- Ralph Heaton apparently didn't die when I surmised either. ;)
The implication seems to be that Sarah was deceased when Ralph died in Australia. There doesn't seem to be a death for her in NSW.
Jamison didn't die until 1902, though, so all we can really tell from the letters is that Sarah was deceased by then, as Mary referred to her in the past tense when talking about Jamison's debts.
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Yes, that's right. Worked out from letters that Ralph would have died in 1894 and there's a match. Think you already suggested that. Checked the marriage between Charles Heaton and Marie Louise Dusseault in 1910. Managed to get parish record. All in French but from what I can understand, it has stated both partner's parents. Charles' were Charles Andre Heaton and here's the interesting bit, mother as Mary Miller, parish of St Marie and St Michel, London. Wow! that's a surprise. Need to check all this.
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Ye gods.
I wonder, again, whether surnames were being mixed and matched, and the mother was really Mary Heaton, the father was Miller, and the parents were not married. Because there is sure no Heaton+Miller marriage to match that.
A Charles George W Miller was registered in St Geo in the East in June Q 1880, but that is not likely anything.
And now I have some work I can put off no longer!
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Yes, me too. Just don't realise how the time flies when you're having fun! :o
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Got yr PM -- still curious myself. ;)
I'll send you an email address -- do you want to send me the parish record for Charles Heaton's marriage? I speak French, and it's likely as you say, but just to see whether there's anything hiding there.
Oh heck, you may as well send me the letter scans too. I'm trying to figure out the chronology ... was the talk about Jamison's debts after he died (I assume), what year was Mary Allport talking about Sarah Hawkins Heaton in the past tense, etc. May as well just try to sort it out for myself!
It seems to come down to: Sarah Hawkins Heaton must have been dead when Jamison died in 1902, at the outside.
And if Charles Heaton's mother was Mary Miller ... it doesn't say who his father was? ... then his father must have been some kind of Heaton and thus related to Ralph Heaton rather than to Sarah Hawkins Heaton ... unless Mary Miller was her name by marriage, or by partnership, or she subsequently married a Heaton or ..........
Anyhow, send them on and I'll take a stab at it!
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I think it's like you said before, to hide that you are illegitimate then you would say that your surname was your father's name and not your mother's maiden name- re: Annie Heaton only told her daughters their real name when they were to be married and then pretended she had been married to a Heaton, when in reality they were illegitimate. Charles Heaton was prob illegitimate and so would have preferred to say that his father was a Heaton and not a Miller (he said this was his mother's name - Mary Miller) So where does the Andre come from? Andrew Miller? There are plenty of Charles A Millers around at the time and place of his birth but none with the distinctive 'Andre' middle name. To me it sounds too French for the London district of Stepney.
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I'm looking at 'em all now and just sent you the translation of the marriage info. I'll put it here.
Remember that the priest was francizing things --
Ste Marie and St Michel = St Mary and St Michael
Charles André = Charles Andrew
Marie Louise Augustina Dusseault
and
Charles Heaton
The seventh of June nineteen hundred ten
after the publication of a bann of marriage, done without objection at the [?] of our parish mass on the fifth of this month between: Charles Heaton, merchant, domiciled in this parish, son of full age of Charles André Heaton, mechanic, and the late Mary Miller of the parish of Ste Marie and St Michel in London, England, and Marie Louise Augustina Dusseault, daughter of full age of the late Hubert Dusseault and the late Luce Douville of this parish; the contracting parties having obtained on the second of this month, from Monsignor Jean Baptiste Comeau, Priest, canon and Vicar General of the diocese of Trois-Rivières, dispensation from the other two banns; no impediment having been discovered or objection made to this marriage
We, Priest, canon, curate, undersigned, having received their mutual consent to marriage and having given them the nuptual blessing in the presence of Léon Giguère, witness for the husband, and J.H. Dusseault, witness for the wife, who have, with the spouses, signed with us.
This having been read ------------
[signatures of the 5 people named]
I misread the [deux du courant] part in the copy I sent you -- it is fixed in this one (they obtained dispensation on the second of the month). Also, the priest is speaking in the "royal we" -- he is the undersigned "priest, canon, curate".
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Which is why I find it very interesting that St Mary and St Michael is very near to Commercial Road which is where Annie lived! Did Mary live with her between 1881 and 1891?
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Annie said (passed down) that her brother and sister had died before she was 21, which means that (Elizabeth) Mary would have died c. 1884. But then she said that her father had died, as well ,before she was 21.
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Mary's letter to Ralph, presumably in Australia.
So Mary Allport (daughter of Sarah Hawkins Heaton's brother, cousin of Annie Heaton) wrote to Ralph -- making it before 1894.
Robert Jamison had escaped bankruptcy by having Mary Allport bail him out at Annie's request.
(So the debt-paying was before his death, not after as I had assumed.)
And ... he was living with Annie, who had three daughters at the time.
She refers to Annie's three pretty children: Florence and Dorothy in the 1891, and Eveline born shortly after.
I can't understand the letter fragment that appears before that one, though, from Mary Allport to someone. "Ralph was a bright funny fellow" (despite his bad heart and inability/unwillingness to work, per her letter on his death). So it has to be post 1894. She sends her kind regards to "your husband. I am offering to take care of a few things, when he was going to be sold up". So it is before Jamison's death, whenever his near-bankruptcy was, and before the letter to Ralph talking about bailing Jamison out. Which doesn't make sense.
Eveline's letter says that the birth certificate she finally got as an adult shows her born 10 October 1891, to the former Annie Hawkins and John Richard Heaton. She says that per her birth certificate, he was a journalist. Well, that makes him a perfect match for John R Taylor in Annie Heaton's household in 1891. I suspect that question is settled!
Annie's marriage certificate shows her as Annie Heaton, widow, with father Ralph Hawkins.
Eveline was Annie's third daughter. The birth certificate for the first daughter, Florence, in Deptford in 1888, shows Annie Heaton as the mother and no father.
After those daughters were born, Annie seems to have invented a consistent backstory for herself, as a woman married to and the widow of a Mr Heaton, who was formerly a Miss Hawkins. Her mother's surname was presumably the convenient one to use for the story. Since she was in fact called Annie Heaton all her life until her marriage to Mr Powell, she had to invent the other bits. Including John Richard Heaton.
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Which is why I find it very interesting that St Mary and St Michael is very near to Commercial Road which is where Annie lived! Did Mary live with her between 1881 and 1891?
Annie also gave Commercial Road as her place of birth, in the 1891 census.
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The 1912 postcard from Charles Heaton in Quebec to "dear aunt" (a photo postcard of him and son Hamilton, not sent through the mail as a postcard so no addressee's name on it) -- it seems sure that the aunt in question was Annie Heaton, by then Annie Powell?
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Now, just for curiosity -- Charles Andrew Miller?
Very few of them.
Births 1846, 1857, 1868, 1878, 1881 -- all in Bethnal Green!
And 1902 in Hackney.
One married Jun Q 1881 in Bethnal Green (Louisa Livesey or Emily Searle -- Louisa per 1891).
He might actually be a candidate for having a child with another woman right around that time.
The other marriage is 1868 in Shoreditch on page 344 ... with a missing bride.
But I think that was likely Mary Ann Chadwick, shown in the list for the quarter as on 3[14]4.
(page 314 has its proper complement of spouses)
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I assumed that was a continuation of her letter to Annie 'He was a bright, funny fellow' and when she refers to' give my regards to your husband' she must mean John Brown Powell who Annie married in 1893, tying in with her father's death in 1894
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So, that must mean that either Annie's sister or brother was the father of Charles. I have trawled the records and can't find any reords of Elizabeth Mary Heaton or of Annie's brother Ralph
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I think it highly unlikely that Charles' father was Ralph (junior), unless Ralph died and Charles was placed in a children's home. More probable that he was illegitimate. What do you think?
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I'm still tending toward Elizabeth/Mary Heaton being Charles's mother. Oh, and what I neglected -- in 1871, she is definitely called Mary in the census.
(You need to go around the census records at Ancestry and correct all the mistranscriptions and surname variants, just in case anybody else every looks for them, so they will find you! And add postems to records at FreeBMD with an email address too.)
Brother Ralph was really too young -- born 1866. I mean, it's possible ...
My tummy is rumbling so I am knocking off for this Friday night now, will check in tomorrow!
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Just one thing -- I think I would go for the death certificate of Ralph Heaton in 1876 in St Geo in the East. The index does say age 66, but there just isn't a Ralph Heaton in any census record to match. Annie's brother Ralph would have been 10, which seems an unlikely mistake, but I think the index we are seeing may be a typed transcription of the original handwritten one; not certain. The name and location are such a match I would want to check it out, just for sure.
The marriage in 1884 in Wandsworth isn't him; it matches with an 1864 birth in Shoreditch, I would think.
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Thought everything was going so well but have hit a brick wall re: records of Hamilton in Canada after Canada'a voter's list 1962. Can find no record of marriage or death. Have looked at descendents of Charles. Three other children. One died at 5 months - Joseph, Jean, Alexandre, Henri Eaton. Florrie is on electoral roll 1957 - manager at B.T. Lilly married Henri Beland in 1940 but after that, no records. Am I looking in the wrong place to find death of Charles, his wife and his children? Drouin collection only shows what I already have. ???
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We have good privacy laws in Canada -- there is no access to recent official birth, marriage and death info.
The only sources are newspaper obituaries and marriage announcements, the phone book, google ...
The voters' lists at Ancestry are an aberration and I am absolutely appalled that the info has been released (today, it is a criminal offence to disclose information from the list of electors). I'm lucky that I've been mistranscribed or something as I don't seem to be visible.
Drouin collection is also a bit of an aberration. The records are semi-private, I guess -- they belong to the church, which was actually the only official record mechanism until the latter part of the 20th century. So for Quebec, there is that source, but if it doesn't go late enough for what one wants, Quebec records end there too.
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Googling (google.ca, search and then use search tools to select Pages in Canada) did find a couple of other historical things about Hamilton Heaton.
http://www.iode.ca/uploads/1/0/7/9/10792849/war_memorial_winners_1920_to_1940.pdf
(IODE = International Order of Daughters of the Empire, a sororal / charitable organization that still exists)
FIRST WAR MEMORIAL POSTGRADUATE SCHOLARSHIP
Recipients 1920 - 1940
HEATON Hamilton 1934-1935
http://faculty.marianopolis.edu/c.belanger/quebechistory/encyclopedia/AvocatsduQuebec-LawyersofQuebecPart3.html
Biographies of the lawyers of Quebec
(died between 1941 and 1976)
HEATON, Hamilton
publication date 1964, pp. 251-252
(The bios stopped being published in the bar review in 1976).
http://faculty.marianopolis.edu/c.belanger/quebechistory/encyclopedia/AvocatsduQuebec-LawyersofQuebecIndex.html
"Jean-Jacques Lefèbvre, an erudite genealogist, was the main author of the biographies although for a number of years other authors were also associated with this work. Some of these biographies are relatively short, especially in the first years. However some considerable attention was accorded to some people, reflecting the important role they had played in the profession. These biographies contain a considerable amount of information. Genealogists and historians will find in them useful and important details."
The Revue du Barreau is a publication of the Quebec bar. It is only on line back to 1999.
You could contact the Barreau to request a copy of the article. For the Revue, there are two email addresses here you could try directly:
http://www.barreau.qc.ca/en/publications/revue/textes.html
(They relate to submissions for publication but they are the best I can find, and I'm sure they would pass your request on.)
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Again, many thanks for your help. Didn't know you were from/lived in Canada. Although I understand the need to protect everyone's privacy, would have been nice to have tied up a few ends re: Charles death, his wife's and his children's marriages and subsequent children. This could have led to some relatives who may still be living. Anyway, will check what you have sent.
Regards
Sharon
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Yup, it's a trade-off. There are many people who would like to be "found", no doubt, but it's just up to them to go looking for themselves. ;)
Note that the bio for Hamilton indicates that he died in 1964, in case that leads to anything. I would definitely try to get hold of a copy. If you had no luck with the Revue du Barreau (but I would think they would help), an inter-library loan might be arranged, since every academic library in Canada and probably even reference sections of public libraries in Quebec would have the series.
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Hi,
I am the grand-grand-children of Charles Heaton, who moved from England to Quebec when he was young. I was asking questions to my dad this morning regarding his grand-father and then I looked up his name on the internet and found this blog! I was not expecting to find anything interesting about him but I am very pleased and exicited to read all this. As I already read here, he was married to Marie Louise Du Sault and have had 3 children, Hamilton, Flory and Lily. Lily was my grand-mother. Are you part of the family? I would be interested to share other information with you.
Regards,
Christine