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I am searching for ancestors of John Bowler and Hannah Fryar. They married 1739-03-05 Princes Risborough, Buckinghamshire.
I am also searching for John Bowler (Different person I assume?) and Sarah Durser. They married 1751-11-30 Farnham Royal, Buckinghamshire. Apparently he was born 1730 Princes Risborough, Buckinghamshire.
These marriages are on separate branches of my ancestry so would be interesting if they are related, I guess it is possible as they are both in/near Princes Risborough.
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In real terms, Farnham Royal is only about 20 miles from Princes Risborough, as the crow flies. But in practical terms, I wouldn't chase a link unless an obvious one arises down the line. ;D
As far as I've been able to find, in BucksFHS Pr's for Princes Risborough. John Bowler(who marries Hannah Fryer), appears to be baptised, 8 Sep 1716. son of John & Esther BOWLER.
No marriage for John & Esther @ St Mary's, Princes Risborough.
No burial for Esther or Hester Bowler, in St Mary's, Princes Risborough, and no certain burials either, for John Bowler. As a lot of ages are not given, at time of burial. I'm not saying he wasn't buried there, just it is not possible to say which John Bowler burial is which. ???
Do you want all the children born to John Bowler & Hannah(nee.Fryer), or to John & Esther Bowler.
Steve. :)
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Do you want all the children born to John Bowler & Hannah(nee.Fryer), or to John & Esther Bowler.
Thank you.
Yes both please if possible.
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Also is there anything for John Bowler and Sarah Durser?
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Also is there anything for John Bowler and Sarah Durser?
The marriage you quoted is in Familysearch, and the brides surname is PURSER, according them. ;)
All these occurrences are from BucksFHS - St Mary's, Princes Risborough transcripts CD..
Baptisms.
8 Sep 1716. John, son of John & Esther BOWLER.
16 May 1720. Esther, daughter of John Jnr & Esther BOWLER.
23 Sep 1724. Charles, son of John & Hester BOWLER.
11 Feb 1726. Jane, daughter of John & Hester BOWLER.
30 Aug 1730. Sarah, daughter of John & Hester BOWLER.
7 Jul 1734. Anne, daughter of John & Hester BOWLER.
Burials.
16 Dec 1724. Charles BOWLER, son of John.
23 Apr 1733. An unbaptized child of John BOWLER.
21 Jun 1768. Esther BOWLER, wife of John, Tailer.
Marriages.
1 Jul 1752. by Banns. William CROOK, otp. to Jane BOWLER, otp.
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Baptisms.
18 Jun 1739. John, son of John & Hannah BOWLER.
8 Feb 1741. Hannah, daughter of John & Hannah BOWLER.**
12 Nov 1742. Hannah, daughter of John & Hannah BOWLER.
27 Jan 1745. Samuel, son of John & Hannah BOWLER.
1 Feb 1747. Hester, daughter of John & Hannah BOWLER.
21 Feb 1748. Jane, daughter of John & Hannah BOWLER.
10 Sep 1749. Richard, son of John & Hannah BOWLER.
22 Dec 1750. Sarah, daughter of John & Hannah BOWLER.
14 Feb 1752. Francis, son of John & Hannah BOWLER.
Burials.
15 Apr 1741. Hannah BOWLER an infant child of John.**
30 Dec 1750. Sarah BOWLER an infant of John & Hannah.
17 Aug 1787. The wife of John BOWLER.
27 Nov 1820. Hester BOWLER, aged 76 widow of Charles.
1 Mar 1816. Richard BOWLER aged 65, Labourer of town.
22 Apr 1817. Maria BOWLER aged 63 widow of Richd, Labourer.
Banns only. 30 Oct 1763. Charles BOWLER, otp. to Elizabeth GOODEY, of the parish of Horsenden.
(From BucksFHS Horsenden Pr's CD).**
(Marriage 19 Jan 1764 by Banns. Charles BOWLER of Princes Risborough to Elizabeth GOODY of Horsenden. Witnesses - Chris Turner & John Coventry.)**
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]Marriages.
6 Apr 1766. by Banns. John(x)CHENEY otp to Jane(x)BOWLER otp. Witnesses - Edward(x)Meade & Thomas Stratton.
25 Jun 1769. by Licence. Charles BOWLER, otp. to Esther BOWLER, otp. Witnesses - Thos Clary & Thomas Stratton.
30 Oct 1769. by Banns. William ELDRIDGE,(of Monks Risborough) to Jane BOWLER otp. Witnesses - Richard Bowler & Chris Turner.
8 Aug 1776. by Banns. Richard BOWLER, Bachelor otp to Mary SMITH, Spinster otp. Witnesses - Thos East & Rebecca(x)Smith.
Steve. :)[/color]
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Thank you!
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I also have a Bowler mystery - my ancestor Charles Bowler, who died in the early 1850s:
The 1851 census says he was born/baptised in Princes Risborough, but the only records for a baptism I can find are for one in Farnham Royal on 12 September 1790. As Bucksboy said, they're not far from each other, but that doesn't mean anything without evidence of Charles moving around. Given that there are Bowlers in Princes Risborough before Charles's putative birthdate, I'm more inclined to believe he was baptised there and that the Farnham Royal Charles is a different individual. (Something which gives me no pleasure to say, since that Charles has quite an interesting pedigree).
Wherever my Charles came from, I'm pretty sure I know when and where he got married, thanks to Pallot's - Fingest on 2 January 1808. (To an Ann Newell).
Actually, Bucksboy - do you still have access to the Princes Risborough parish registers? If so, would you be able to search for a Charles Bowler's baptism between 1780 and 1795 for me?
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In 1798 there were several Bowlers in Princes Risborough, one in Farnham Royal:
The Buckinghamshire Posse Comitatus 1798
http://www.bucksrecsoc.org.uk/BRSpub022.html
pages 41-45
Princes Risborough
Richard Bowler, labourer
Princes Risborough – lower hamlets
Francis Bowler, farmer
H. Bowler, labourer
Henry Bowler, labourer
Richard Bowler, labourer
Princes Risborough – upper hamlets
John Bowler, labourer
John Bowler, labourer, junior
William Bowler
Farnham Royal
pages 163-165
Samuel Bowler, servant
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In the 1851 census, he is married to Priscilla and living in High Wycombe.
Is this their marriage (in familysearch) in Wycombe, November 1832 to Priscilla Cato?
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In the 1851 census, he is married to Priscilla and living in High Wycombe.
Is this their marriage (in familysearch) in Wycombe, November 1832 to Priscilla Cato?
Yes, pretty sure that's her. Still can't work out whether there's one Charles Bowler, who got about a bit, or more than one.
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Hi All,
Just throwing this in, in case it connects . . . . . .
Phoebe Tearle / Charles Bowler
[ no implication of connections ]
Charles Bowler Tearle
Same geo.
Ray
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No, sorry. According to BucksFHS PR's CD, no Charles Bowler baptised at St.Mary's.
But there is this one.......!!
Baptism - 7 Mar 1784. Coriolanus Charles son of Richard & Maria BOWLER.
Marriage 10 Oct 1781 by Banns
Richd BOWLER otp
Maria(x)BRADBURY otp
Witnesses - Joseph Rippington & Richard Loosley.
I can find no trace of Coriolanus Bowler in the PR's, apart from the baptsim. I would hazard a calculated guess, that this is your Charles.......and he dropped Coriolanus.
Steve. :)
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From same source.
Burial - 1 Mar 1816. Richard BOWLER aged 65, Labourer of town.
Burial - 22 Apr 1817. Maria BOWLER aged 63 widow of Richd, Labourer of town.
Baptism - 5 Jul 1752. Richard son of Thomas & Mary BOWLER. John & Hannah Bowler. (CORRECTION).
Marriage - 5 Mar 1739. by Banns.
John BOWLER otp
Hannah FRYAR otp
Baptism - 9 Jun 1782. Richard Fryer son of Richard & Maria BOWLER.
Burial - 17 Aug 1841. Richard Frere BOWLER aged 62, Carpenter of Risboro, died 14 Aug.
Steve. :)
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From Oxfhs - Shirburn Pr's CD.
Priscilla Cato.??....wife of Charles Bowler. This would be his second wife, I'd think. Charles Bowler is a widow, in 1832.
Baptism - 22 Sept 1788 - Priscilla Cater(sic), daughter of William & Elizabeth.(Private baptism). Recieved into Church. 5th Oct.
1841 census, gives Priscilla Bowler, not born in County. ;)
Steve. :)
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From same source.
Baptism - 5 Jul 1752. Richard son of Thomas & Mary BOWLER.
Marriage - 8 Aug 1776. by Banns
Richard BOWLER, Bachelor otp
Mary SMITH, Spinster otp
Witnesses - Thos East & Rebecca(x)Smith.
I can see no baptisms in Princes Risborough to Richard & Mary Bowler, nor burials that would match. with any confidence.
Steve. :)
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In the end, I went back to Square 1, starting with what I definitely knew - I am descended from an Ann M Bowler, who is recorded on the 1891 census (under her married name of Wheeler) as a mother-in-law in the same household as my 6-year-old great-grandfather Charlie Ridgley. She, in turn is the daughter of a Charles Bowler (as it states on her marriage certificate to George Wheeler).
To find out more, I ordered the parish records for Bowler baptisms, marriages and burials from Bucks FHS. From that, I've managed to ascertain that:
Ann M's parents are indeed the Charles Bowler and Ann Newell who married in Fingest in 1808. It looks like they had three children (including twins) in West Wycombe, followed by a son in Fingest, three children in Radnage and one in High Wycombe (Ann M), over a period of 15 years.
Ann M had an illegitimate daughter, Zillah, in 1842.
Ann Newell died in 1831 and it would appear Charles married Priscilla Cato the year after. A further indication that the Charles who married Ann Newell is the same one who married Priscilla may be the presence of a witness with the same surname (Hester) at both ceremonies.
The Charles who was baptised in Farnham Royal in 1790, if he is a different individual to the above, either never married, or didn't marry in Bucks. (Or he could have been a Nonconformist, although I think this unlikely, as his parents weren't).
Conclusion: Coriolanus Charles Bowler is more likely to be my Charles Bowler than the other one, despite the name variation, but I want to see if I can find mention of him in other documents.
Interesting snippet: on the 1851 census, there is a George Harvey, aged 13, living with Charles and Priscilla. One of my great-great-great grandfathers has that name, and he would have been that age. It would be 90 years before a Bowler bloodline (via the Ridgleys) would come together with the Harvey bloodline, though.
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Had you also noticed in the 1841 census, that Josiah Newell c1801, Bucks, were also with them. living, or working on Marsh Farm, aka Wycombe Marsh.
Also, George Harvey 1839. Wycombe. mmn. Gibbs.
Steve. :)
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Had you also noticed in the 1841 census, that Josiah Newell c1801, Bucks, were also with them. living, or working on Marsh Farm, aka Wycombe Marsh.
Also, George Harvey 1839. Wycombe. mmn. Gibbs.
Steve. :)
Yes, I did notice that :). I presume he was Ann's younger brother or something.
Where did you get the information on George Harvey? On his marriage certificate no father's name is shown, so I thought he was illegitimate. :)
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I searched in the GRO, for George Harveys birth registration. This will usually give the mothers maiden name.
There is actually two George Harvey's.....one 1839, the other 1841. Both with mmn of Gibbs, in the Wycombe district.
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp
Steve. :)
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There is actually two George Harvey's.....one 1839, the other 1841. Both with mmn of Gibbs, in the Wycombe district.
Typical!
I'll have a look at both. I had always assumed that the lack of a father on George's marriage certificate meant that he was illegitimate, but I'd be very happy to be wrong.
Martin
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Ask BucksfHS for a baptism search. You may be lucky, and it's a lot chaeper than a cert. The 1839 birth, may have died, and the 1841 birth is their second son of the same name.
You may need to search for a burial for the first.
http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/index.php/research/36-requested-searches/21-baptisms-searches
Steve. :)
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I also have a Bowler mystery - my ancestor Charles Bowler, who died in the early 1850s:
The 1851 census says he was born/baptised in Princes Risborough, but the only records for a baptism I can find are for one in Farnham Royal on 12 September 1790. As Bucksboy said, they're not far from each other, but that doesn't mean anything without evidence of Charles moving around. Given that there are Bowlers in Princes Risborough before Charles's putative birthdate, I'm more inclined to believe he was baptised there and that the Farnham Royal Charles is a different individual. (Something which gives me no pleasure to say, since that Charles has quite an interesting pedigree).
Wherever my Charles came from, I'm pretty sure I know when and where he got married, thanks to Pallot's - Fingest on 2 January 1808. (To an Ann Newell).
Actually, Bucksboy - do you still have access to the Princes Risborough parish registers? If so, would you be able to search for a Charles Bowler's baptism between 1780 and 1795 for me?
I'm trying to confirm if my data is correct. I have a baptism for Charles Bowler on 1790-09-12 Farnham Royal to George Bowler and Clare Devonshire. Is that the ancestry you were referring to?
This is the Charles Bowler who married Maria Jemina Gristwood on 1815-06-03.
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Apologies. I was referring to George Harvey, 1839/1841 :-[
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Hi
Just adding some notes from my pile . . . . .
"Charles Bowler Tearle" Bro of . . . . .
"Phoebe Tearle m (Thomas?) Fuller "
Son . . . . . William ( known as Bill ) Fuller (1880?)
Married Lydia . . . . . ( 190x ? )
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