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Trying to find my Grandmother, Gertrude PARTRIDGE's parents.
She was married to Percy Charles KIDMAN in 1904 perhaps, Biggleswade.
Any information on the Partridge family would be very much appreciated.
regards
cupcake
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When / where was she born.
ADDED - just noticed your post is headed Samuel Partridge but you are asking about Gertrude ???
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I apologise.Thought I had changed the heading
Have very little information but have the name Samuel written down, not sure if that is Gertrude's father. I think she was born abt. 1869 in Pavenham.
cupcake
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So, was she previously married?
Is she a spinster on the marriage certificate?
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I apologise.Thought I had changed the heading
Have very little information but have the name Samuel written down, not sure if that is Gertrude's father. I think she was born abt. 1869 in Pavenham.
cupcake
1871 has her age 2 parents Samuel & Eliza
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VFF3-HGJ
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1881 census: Class: RG11; Piece: 1616; Folio: 63; Page: 13
George & Dragon Inn, Pavenham, Bedfordshire
Partridge, James Head M 38 Wheelwright & Publican b Shawbrooke, Beds
Partridge, Eliza Wife F 37 b Kilsby, Northants
Partridge, Adeline Daughter F 14 Scholar b Irchester, Northants
Partridge, Gertrude Daughter F 12 Scholar b Pavenham
Partridge, Fred Son M 10 Scholar b Pavenham
Partridge, Lilian Daughter F 6 Scholar b Pavenham
Partridge, Albert Son M 5 Scholar b Pavenham
Partridge, Leonard Son M 4 Scholar b Pavenham
Partridge, Amelia Daughter F 2 b Pavenham
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1881
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3NR-PZD
Samuel & Elizas marriage maybe
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NVS2-GQB
Bedfordshire is extremely well covered on familysearch https://familysearch.org/search
There is also a rootschatter researching this name in Beds who will no doubt pick up on this thread ;D
Rosie
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KGarrad,
Going through my mothers papers I found her mother Gertrude PARTRIDGE marriage date to Percy Charles KIDMAN 1902. Have written down in my notes Samuel Partridge Pavenham - 1869
That is all I have on the Partridge side.
I haven't got their marriage certificate. They may have married in Biggleswade.
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Many thanks Rosie.
cupcake
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Marriage, September qtr 1904
Ampthill district vol 3b, page 789
Partridge, Gertrude
+ and on the same page +
Kidman, Percy Charles
From FreeBMD
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Thank you so much for the detailed 1881 census.
Looks as if James was Gertrude's father then. Lovely to see she had brothers and sisters. Wonder if the George & Dragon Inn, Pavenham, Bedfordshire, still exists.
Kind regards
cupcake
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KGarrad,
As I live in Scotland all the information is very much appreciated. Thank you for their marriage details.
Someday I will try to visit my grandparents burial place in Drove Road cemetery.
cupcake
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I told you in Aug 2009 that she was born 1869 Pavenham & her parents were Samuel & Eliza Partridge who in 1881 had the George & Dragon inn at Pavenham.
Why not get the marriage certificate to verify this
John
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Previous thread:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=396160.10
Which includes details of the 1881 census and the marriage! ::)
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John,
Sorry,I thought I had been in touch with someone on RC a few years ago,just couldn't find the post. :-\
cupcake
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KGarrad,
I do apologise. Having some senior moments.
That said, I didn't have the 1881 census ;).
cupcake
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1881 census: Class: RG11; Piece: 1616; Folio: 63; Page: 13
George & Dragon Inn, Pavenham, Bedfordshire
Partridge, James Head M 38 Wheelwright & Publican b Shawbrooke, Beds
NO! Whilst it could easily be mistaken for James, it's actually Samuel
The 1881 can easily be checked yourself at www.familysearch.org, free
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Oops! :-[
You're quite correct, of course.
Apologies ;D
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Just curious :-\
Who could this James be? He would be 44 yrs. in 1881
• spouse: Eliza Partridge
• child: James Partridge
• Name James Partridge
• GenderMale
• Christening Date
• Christening Place
• Birth Date28 Dec 1837
• Birthplace
• Death Date
• Name Note
• Race
• Father's Name Samuel Partridge
• Father's Birthplace
• Father's Age
• Mother's Name Eliza Partridge
• Mother's Birthplace
• Mother's Age
• Indexing Project (Batch) NumberI00650-5
• System OriginMaine-EASy
• GS Film number11588
• Reference ID18
cupcake
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Samuel Partridge married Eliza Flanders on 17 Jan 1866 at Sharnbrook. Gertrude was born 1869 and her brothers & sisters were Fred 1870, Lillian 1875, Albert 1876, Leonard 1877, Amelia Maud 1879, Mabel 1883, Celia May 1887 & Horace B 1888.
Samuel was born 1843 Sharnbrook to James P & Emily Lowe who married 31 Mar 1842 at Sharnbrook. When Emily died 1859, James married widow Amelia Flanders on 4 July 1860. Eliza born 1844 was daughter of John & Amelia Flanders.
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johnP-bedford,
Thank you very much for taking the time and sending me the detailed information.
I now have a clearer picture of my ancestors.
Kind regards,
cupcake
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Marriage, September qtr 1904
Ampthill district vol 3b, page 789
Partridge, Gertrude
+ and on the same page +
Kidman, Percy Charles
From FreeBMD
I am thinking that this marriage took place in Cranfield (which is in Ampthill RD) as in 1901 & 1911 parents Samuel & Eliza plus remaining children were living in Cranfield & Samuel was then a Baker/Miller; while in 1891 & 1901 Gertrude was living in Midland road, Bedford being shop assistant in Baker's shop. I will check this out tomorrow.
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johnP-bedford,
Thank you :).
cupcake
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Marriage, Cranfield 28 Sept 1904
Percy Charles Kidman age 29, bach, farmer, of Cotton End Cardington, father James Julian Kidman, farmer - to - Gertrude Partridge age 35 spinster of Cranfield, father Samuel Partridge, baker. Witnesses Coleman Hugh Kidman & Maud Amelia Partridge.
While the 1911 census has fist child Julian Charles Kidman born Cotton End 1907, he was baptised in Bigglewade on 31 May 1908 along with brother Stanley Partridge Kidman. Julian was born 4 May 1906 & Stanley on 22 Apr 1908. The 3rd child Maurice Arther Kidman was baptised Biggleswade 30 Oct 1910, born on 25th Oct. Parents abode was Sunderland Farm Biggleswade.
I've found the probate index record for Percy Charles Kidman who died 22 Dec 1944, when he was at Green End Gamlingay; effects worth £13,177 left to his widow Gertrude.
John
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Hi John,
Thank you so much taking the time to find all this detailed information on my ancestors. It is very much appreciated.
Will now add all this to the family tree.
Regards
Margaret
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Hi John,
Do you have any photographs of the Partridge family, the George & Dragon Inn, Pavenham and the bakers shop where my Grandmother Gertrude worked.
Regards
Margaret
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http://www.rootschat.com/links/0w10/
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BB - have you tried using the "Shrink Link" tool?
Scroll to the bottom of any RC page; in the black section, under "Tour Tools", you fill find "Shrink Link"! ;D ;D
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Thanks! I'd often wondered how people did that.
Easy once you've been told
Link shrunk!
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Sorry cupcake no photos... the George & Dragon pub is now a private house.
I did find out some probate index information, Samuel Partridge of Cranfield died 11 Dec 1917 & left effects of £329.16.3 to widow Eliza. When she died 29 Dec 1925 her estate was administered to sons Fred Harry Partridge & Leonard Flanders Partridge, bakers, effects value £277.4.5. Some of this administration docs are held at Bedford Archives.
Leonard Flanders Partridge married Lizzie Clara Munday of Cranfield in March 1903 most likely at Cranfield. Leonard died 30 Oct 1946 while at 50 Ford End Road Bedford; wife Lizzie Clara died 23 June 1959 while living at 292 Bedford Road, Kempston. Also at that address is spinster Cecilia May Partridge (Leonard & Gertude's sister) when she died on 19 May 1959. Leonard & Lizzie's effects were left to their daughter Violet Annie born Sept 1905 (now wife of Charles John Munday - married 1939)
John
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John,
Once again, many thanks for the information.
Pity there are no photographs, but not a problem.
Margaret
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John,
Not sure whether you know this :
Percy Charles KIDMAN parents James Julian KIDMAN and Louisa KIDMAN (don't know her maiden though) are buried at Edworth, St George, Bedfordshire. The church has one service each year, on St. Georges Day. I have a photograph of their burial place if you would like it. I was there in 2004 and buried my mother's ashes with her Grandparents as, I didn't know then, her parents were buried in Biggleswade.
Do you know where Samuel PARTRIDGE and his wife Eliza are buried?
cupcake
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Hello cupcake
I have James Julian Kidman marrying Louisa CROUCH at Wandsworth on 9 Oct 1872.
As to the burials of Samuel died 1917 & Eliza Partridge died 1925 I don't know ?, I would suggest they are in Cranfield as that's where they were in 1911, their death indexes are in Ampthill RD. I could check the burial registers next time I'm at the Beds Archives.
Also Samuel Partridge, baker in Cranfield is in Kelly's directory of 1914. I also found in that, Horace Bernard Partridge, baker in Woburn Sands, most likely Samuels's son born Dec 1887
regards John
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Hello John,
Thank you for all the information. I didn't have James Julian KIDMAN marriage details and, Louisa's maiden name.
Yes, it is possible they are in Cranfield if they were there in 1911. If it is no trouble, I would appreciate if you could check the burial registers the next time you are at the archives.
Looks as if Samuel Partridge was still a baker 3 years before he died. So, the son Horace carried on in his father's footsteps.
Kind regards
cupcake
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Hello cupcake
I have James Julian Kidman marrying Louisa CROUCH at Wandsworth on 9 Oct 1872.
As to the burials of Samuel died 1917 & Eliza Partridge died 1925 I don't know ?, I would suggest they are in Cranfield as that's where they were in 1911, their death indexes are in Ampthill RD. I could check the burial registers next time I'm at the Beds Archives.
Also Samuel Partridge, baker in Cranfield is in Kelly's directory of 1914. I also found in that, Horace Bernard Partridge, baker in Woburn Sands, most likely Samuels's son born Dec 1887
regards John
I realise this post was way back in 2013 but I was wondering if you will be at the Bedfordshire Archives sometime, regarding the burial places of Samuel & Eliza Partridge.
cupcake
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Samuel Partridge died age 75 on 11 Dec 1917 as per Probate Calendar Entry, £329 going to widow Eliza; he was buried on Sat 15 Dec 1917; the service held at East End Baptist Chapel, Cranfield & the internment in 'the burial ground'. This taken from article in the Beds Times which says widow too unable to attend, mourners were 4 sons & 2 daughters.
Wife Eliza Partridge died or was buried ? on 29 Dec 1925 age 81 at Cranfield (Death Index in Ampthill RD Dec qtr 1925 in name of Elias Partridge)
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Samuel Partridge died age 75 on 11 Dec 1917 as per Probate Calendar Entry, £329 going to widow Eliza; he was buried on Sat 15 Dec 1917; the service held at East End Baptist Chapel, Cranfield & the internment in 'the burial ground'. This taken from article in the Beds Times which says widow too unable to attend, mourners were 4 sons & 2 daughters.
Wife Eliza Partridge died or was buried ? on 29 Dec 1925 age 81 at Cranfield (Death Index in Ampthill RD Dec qtr 1925 in name of Elias Partridge)
I did contact the Beds Archives yesterday, and they replied saying their charges start at £8.80 for a quarter of an hour. Obviously if I visited the Archives Service search room within normal hours to consult original documents and microfilm, it would be free.
I must add our local Library has an excellent Archive department with wonderful staff who have so much knowledge.They have people contacting them from all over the world.
I don't what I would do without all the wonderful Rootshatters who have helped me with ancestors research over the the years.
Many thanks for the information.
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Beds FHS have recorded the MIs at the Baptist Chapel burial ground. Both Samuel and Eliza are listed and that they died 11 Dec 1917 and 29 Dec 1925, respectively (as per John's info).
Modern maps don't show the burial ground at the rear of the chapel but it is shown on some older maps.
National Library Scotland - OS Map 1882: Baptist Chapel, Cranfield
http://maps.nls.uk/view/114482112#zoom=4&lat=2193&lon=10159&layers=BT
OpenStreetMap - current map: Baptist Chapel, Cranfield
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/52.07290/-0.59908
cupcake, let me know if you'd like photos of the graves and I'll try get over there in the next couple of weeks.
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Beds FHS have recorded the MIs at the Baptist Chapel burial ground. Both Samuel and Eliza are listed and that they died 11 Dec 1917 and 29 Dec 1925, respectively (as per John's info).
Modern maps don't show the burial ground at the rear of the chapel but it is shown on some older maps.
National Library Scotland - OS Map 1882: Baptist Chapel, Cranfield
http://maps.nls.uk/view/114482112#zoom=4&lat=2193&lon=10159&layers=BT
OpenStreetMap - current map: Baptist Chapel, Cranfield
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/52.07290/-0.59908
cupcake, let me know if you'd like photos of the graves and I'll try get over there in the next couple of weeks.
Many thanks for the maps - The National Library one being more detailed.
I would appreciate having the photographs of Samuel and Eliza's graves. Haven't got very much information on the Partridge side of the family so, will be great to have their burial places.
Kind regards
cupcake
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I managed to get over to Cranfield today (thankfully no snow today :) ).
Samuel and Eliza's graves aren't in the main burial ground but tucked down the western side of the chapel, along with a few others. The graves are close against the chapel wall but it looks like the chapel has been extended at some point, which may explain the closeness.
Attached is one of the images but I've uploaded others, in higher resolutions, to PostImg.
https://postimg.org/gallery/1aky6pvmi/
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Thank you so much for going to Cranfield (pleased to hear there was no snow). They do look lonely buried there :'(.
It is great having this photograph- the only Partridge one I have :)
Have also looked at the ones you posted to PostImg.
Kind regards
cupcake