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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cheshire => Topic started by: fishy on Friday 13 September 13 08:57 BST (UK)
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Hi everyone,
I have a 193O Census of Montgomery Pennsylvania Where one of my Gt Grandmas sisters emigrated .in 1906
This is the family:-
William Thompson Head age 49 born England worked as a Engineer at construction works.
Bertha B H " wife " 48 " " not working
William " son " 24 " ' worked as a Clerk " '
Emily " daughter 22 " New York " " Secretary ' " '
Winifed " " 19 New Jersey not working
Evelyn " " 11 New York "
living at Valley view road
On the 1901 census Bertha was living at home with her sisters her parents had both died, she was 17 a cotton weaver. they lived at 13 Alfred street Hyde Cheshire .
Would appreciate any information if at all possible thanks.
Thought perhaps William or others may have come back to England after 1930 sometime
Barbara from Australia
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Hi,
I posted on the USA thread re Winifred and Evelyn in 1940 census so they at least stayed there.
Regards
Heywood
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If this was 1930, and she emigrated in 1906, then it must have been about tne time of William (age 24) 's birth.
So did she marry William in England before she emigrated? Looks like it, as son William bn England.
You havent given us Bertha's maiden name - I am assuming the 1901 census for her in Hyde was before her marriage?
Have you found their marriage in England on freebmd? Marriage cert would then give you a fathers name for them both.
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1901
Alfred Street, Hyde
Florence Cottam 22 born Uppermill
Minnie Cottam 20 born Lydgate
Bertha Cottam 17 born Uppermill
3281/107/37
1891
Harrison H Cottam 35 born Springthorpe Lincs
Elizabeth A Cottam 37 born Denton
Mary Adeliza Cottam 15
Florance C Cottam 12
Minnie L Cottam 10
Bertha Cottam 7
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Possible marriage
Bertha Cottam
Oct-Nov-Dec 1904
Atherstone
Warwickshire
Volume 6d
Page 812
on the same page William Thompson
Heather
added: She didn't marry William Thompson, on familysearch, she married Herbert Green
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How do you know that the Bertha Cottam in 1901 is the correct one?
There are baptisms for:
Bertha Cottam 26 September 1883 Oldham, Lancashire, England parents John and Mary
Bertha Cottam 13 June 1894 St Anne's Church, Haughton, Lancashire, England parents Harrison and Elizabeth
Bertha Cottam 18 June 1884 Bolton, Lancashire, England parents Thomas and Mary Jane
Heather
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Here is the USA thread for information http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=661254.msg5068138#msg5068138
Re. Bertha in 1901, fishy has given the address which points to the family you have Heather
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The Bertha on tne U S census appears to have middle initials - Bertha B H
'Your' Bertha, on all censuses, and birth index, and christening, is just Bertha.
Why do you think the Bertha B H Thompson is 'your' Bertha?
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Marriage 25 December 1904 Mancetter, Warwickshire, England
Bertha Cottam single
Father Harrison Hutchinson Cottam
and
Herbert Green single
Father John Green
Heather
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Another one to eliminate
Marriage: 15 Sep 1906 Higher Bridge Street Primitive Methodist, Bolton, Lancashire, England
William Law Goth - 23, Miller and cutter at an Iron Foundry, Bachelor, 46 Grove Street, Bolton
Bertha Cottam - 22, Fly Tenter at a Cotton Mill, Spinster, 23 Ralph Street, Bolton
Groom's Father: Thomas Goth, Insurance Agent
Bride's Father: Samuel Cottam, Machine Labourer
Witness: Joseph Ellis Goth; Sarah Ellen Cottam
Married by Certificate by: Samuel A Langham Aurthorised Person for the said Chapel
This Bertha died in Bolton in 1961 aged 77
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Anmother one to eliminate
Marriage: 29 May 1897 Christ Church, Accrington, Lancashire, England
Albert Heap - 19, Labourer, Bachelor, 7 Maden Street
Bertha Cottam - 18, Spinster, 172 Colliers Row
Groom's Father: Holden Heap, Weaver
Bride's Father: Henry Cottam, Clogger
Witness: Ernest Knowles; Bertha Wright
Married by Banns by: Edward Greensill Vicar
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Bertha COTTAM and William STEPHENSON in 1910 at Prestwich Registrar Office or Registrar Attended, Manchester
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Bertha COTTAM Father William Cottam
and
Percy JAMES Father George James
in 1913 at Heaton Reddish, St Mary Stockport
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Marriage 25 December 1904 Mancetter, Warwickshire, England
Bertha Cottam single
Father Harrison Hutchinson Cottam
and
Herbert Green single
Father John Green
So it seems great grandma's sister didnt marry Thompson and emigrate.
Herbert and Bertha Green are on 1911 in Warwickshire, and her birthplace ties up.
It looks like they even have a child Herbert Harrison Green, (oct/nov/dec 1907) named aftr her Dad.
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It looks that way if Harrison Hutchinson Cottam is the father :-\
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He was in reply #3!!!
And that was the family of great granny that fishy gave in first post.
Thompson and USA seem to be red herrings.
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It looks like Fishy has some new members of her family
1913 Edith E Green Atherstone Warwickshire mmn Cottam
1905 Ruth Lillian Vol 6d page 465
1907 Herbert Harriason green Vol 6d page 443
1910 Julia Maud Green Vol 6d page 462
Heather
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Hi Heywood,
Thanks for your quick reply and info. about that
Winifred and Evelyn were on the 1940 census in u.s.a still.
but not sure now, I think he was a green and not a Thompson and could bor your helpe from England after all
)according to some of the information I got back from heather Julie.
Thanks again for your help.
fishy(Barbara
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Hi Barbara,
It looks as though the USA family are not yours from Heather's work.
Has she got he right father, Harrison?
What were you basing the USA information on?
Heywood
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Hi Lizdb, and heather Julie,
Thanks so much for your help, it seems I have had the wrong information , someone sent lots of info to me from roots chat a long time ago, and I really enjoyed thinking he was from further a field like America.
Bertha's surname was Cottam her father definitely was Harrison Hutchinson, and mother was Elizabeth Ann ,maiden name mason.
so now will have to check Herbert green out instead of Thompson and not forgetting the child Herbert Harrison green.
I am so glad I decided to research Bertha with William again, otherwise I would not have ever known I had the wrong names hey.
thanks again all of you
fishy(Barbara)
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I found this family living in Stockport
1901
2 Hegginbottoms Court, Stockport
Herbert Green Head 25 born Coventry Warwickshire Blacksmith
Mary Green Wife 23 born Warwick
Leonard Green Son 3 born Coventry
Lillian Green Daughter 9 Months born Birmingham
3297/161/11
I can't find them in 1911
Did Herbert run off with a pregnant Bertha?
Heather
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I found this family living in Stockport
1901
2 Hegginbottoms Court, Stockport
Herbert Green Head 25 born Coventry Warwickshire Blacksmith
Mary Green Wife 23 born Warwick
Leonard Green Son 3 born Coventry
Lillian Green Daughter 9 Months born Birmingham
3297/161/11
I can't find them in 1911
Did Herbert run off with a pregnant Bertha?
Heather
Possibility here https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XWZN-ZQG so a different Herbert?
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You are correct heywood. That family has a child born in Bredbury so the 1901 is not the Herbert we are seeking. ;)
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You are correct heywood. That family has a child born in Bredbury so the 1901 is not the Herbert we are seeking. ;)
That's good to know. I was hoping we didn't have a bigamist :)
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Hi Heather,
I thought I would look-up those names you gave me for the green family.
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1913 Edith Atherstone Warwickshire does it mean mother cottam?
1905 Ruth Lillian did not say where, I assume its Warwickshire?
1907 Herbert harriason is that spelt wrong, maybe meant to be Harrison? also Warwickshire.?
1910 Julia maud also Warwickshire?
I take it these are all children of Bertha and Herbert green?
I was only able to find one and that was 1905 Ruth.
So just wondered if you found this information somewhere else.
fishy(Barbara)
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Hi
I have sent you a message
Ruth Lilian Green
Date : Apr-May-Jun 1905
Atherstone
Warwickshire
Volume:6d
Page:465
Herbert Harrison Green
Date :Oct-Nov-Dec 1907
Atherstone
Warwickshire
Volume:6d
Page:443
Julia Maud Green
Date :Apr-May-Jun 1910
Atherstone
Warwickshire
Volume:6d
Page:462
Edith E Green
Mother's Maiden Name:Cottam
Apr-May-Jun 1913
Atherstone
Warwickshire
Volume:6d
Page:1328
Hope that's made it clearer.
Heather
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I wondered if this could be Herbert in 1901
3 Rookery Lane, Wishaw, Warwickshire
William Goodwin 58 Retired ag worker
Elizabeth Goodwin 58
William Goodwin 26
Mary Goodwin 24
Charlotte Goodwin 19
Herbert Green 25 visitor born Northamptonshire Collier?
2893/ 5/1
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This looks like the family
1891
In Luton
John Green Head 48 Wobourn, Bedfordshire, England Brewer's labourer
Ann Green Wife 47
Edith Green Daughter 19
Herbert Green Son 17 Slapton, Buckinghamshire, England
Ernest Green Son 15
Ruth Green Daughter 9
Maud Green Daughter 7
Julia Collins Mother-in-law 70
1271/145/8
You can see the 'family' names
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1851
William Collins Head 34 born Wavendon, Buckinghamshire, England Ag labourer
Julia Collins wife 35 born Wavendon, Buckinghamshire, England Lace maker
John Collins son 13 born Aspley, Bedfordshire, England Ag Labourer
Julia Collins daughter 11 born Aspley, Bedfordshire, England Straw plaiter
Jane Collins daughter 10 born Aspley, Bedfordshire, England Straw plaiter
Ann Collins daughter 8 born Aspley, Bedfordshire, England Straw plaiter
William Collins son 4 born Aspley, Bedfordshire, England
Eliza Collins daughter 7 Mo born Wavendon, Buckinghamshire, England
1723/229/14
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1881
41 Old Bedford Road
John Green 38
Ann Green 36
Howard Green 11
Herbert Green 7
Earnest Green 5
1649/63/4