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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Peter H on Wednesday 15 June 05 17:20 BST (UK)
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If someone has access to the 1841 census for Westminster I would be very grateful if they could try to find my gt. gt. grandparents John Wilkie and Mary Dudden Wilkie (nee Thyer). They married in Westminster on 17 Oct 1837 and gave their addresses as 45 Charles Street and 13 Medway Street respectively. In 1851 they were living at 12 Chapter Street but I haven't found them in 1841 so far.
He was a baker and general dealer born about 1803 in Dundee, while she was born about 1817 in either London or Somerset. They should have son Alexander age 2 with them in 1841.
Many thanks in advance.
Peter Heather
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Hi Peter
In Medway Street I have found Thomas Thyer 50 Butcher. Ref 737 13 f 20
He is with Eliza aged 50, Henry a paper maker aged 20 and Betsey a dressmaker aged 15.
Thomas and Eliza not born in county. Henry and Betsey born in county.
Any use to you? There are no street numbers but this house is quite near the beginning of the entries for Medway Street so could be no 13. Will carry on looking along the road in case there is anyone else.
Do you have any more info on the Charles Street address - there are 4 or 5 Charles Streets coming up in Westminster?
Barbara F
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Hi Barbara
Thanks very much for that. It must be my man. All the details etc. fit perfectly. As far as Charles Street is concerned, I don't have any more details, but they married in St Margarets, Westminster if there is one near there. Mind you that could be the bride's local church rather than the groom's. His father's name was Alexander Wilkie (I forgot to mention that before), but of course father may have stayed in Dundee and just his son travelled south.
If you can trace them I would be very grateful, but I am already in your debt for what you have managed to find. Thanks again.
Peter
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Peter
Will have a look at the addresses in the St Margaret's area to start with and get back to you.
Barbara
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Peter
I have looked at all the Charles Street refs for Westminster but cannot find your Wilkie family. Here are the refs
107/738 17 ff 29-31
107/738 2 f 35-50
107/738 1 f 5-6
107/740 6 20-23
107/735 5 18-24
The Charles Street address on the marriage certificate may have been a very temporary one.
If you get Alexander's birth certificate that may be a useful address to search.
Barbara
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Barbara
Many thanks for looking at all those addresses. I think you are probably right and John Wilkie may have just been lodging at Charles Street before his marriage in 1837. I haven't got Alexander's birth certificate yet - that is a good idea - but I don't suppose you could have a quick look at Chapter Street, Westminster for me could you? John and Mary Wilkie were living there in 1851 and 1861, so it is just possible they were there in 1841 too. I realise this is a liberty after all your work, but I would be very grateful.
Thanks
Peter
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Peter
Since you asked so politely ;D
Have looked at Chapter Street but cannot see any Wilkies. Some of the writing and some of the images are a bit dfficult to read but I am fairly certain I have not overlooked them.
The refs I checked were 737 16 f34-37 and 737 18 23 - 34
I reckon an address from Alexander's birth certificate will be your best chance of finding them in 1841 until there is a name index. Unless of course the couple obliged with other children born even nearer to the census date - 7 june 1841.
Barbara
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Barbara
That's
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Barbara
I don't know what happened there! :o
I was about to say that that was very good of you and I am grateful for all your efforts for me. I am off now to get Alexander's birth certificate, as you suggest, in the hope that it might pin them down.
Thanks again.
Peter
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Peter
I have been doing some research for a friend who is descended from John Wilkie and Mary Dudden Thyer via their daughter, Jane Wilkie, who married Albert Saunders Brooks in 1875.
I gather you are also descended from John Wilkie, perhaps we could compare notes ?
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Message sent off line.
Peter
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Hi Peter, I’m Sally Reid, my grandmother was Louise Rebecca Wilkie, daughter of James Wilkie and Sarah strong, so I thinks are related! I have quite a bit of info on Wilkie, strong, dudden thyer genealogy if you would like to get in touch. Best, Sally
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Hi Sally,
How nice to hear from you. Yes, I do believe we are related and if my calculations are correct, we are third cousins. My grandmother was Annie Amelia Wilkie who married Ambrose Brooks in 1884. Her parents were John Wilkie and Mary Dudden Thyer, who I presume were also the parents of your James Wilkie (John and Mary did have a son James in 1855).
It's been a while since I did any research on the Wilkie or Thyer line but I do have John's parents as Alexander Wilkie and Margaret Ogilvie and Margaret's parents as probably John Ogilvie and Beatrice Stormonth. Mary's parent's on the other hand were Thomas Thyer and Elizabeth Simpson.
Your contact has prompted me to start again on these lines to see if I can get them filled out some more. It would be good to be able to exchange information and I would be very interested in anything you have on the Wilkie or Thyer families. It might be better to continue this conversation direct via email if you are happy to do so. I will send you a personal message with my email details after I post this.
Best wishes
Peter Heather
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Hi Peter, how lovely to hear from you! Yes, seeing your post has also prompted me to restart my genealogy project. We have some relatives visiting some of the family at the moment and one, Peter Strickland, has just emailed me a lot of info on our Wilkie roots. If you would like to email to me I can forward and also look out a family tree that I have. I must get it out and look at it to refresh myself of how we are all linked! My email is Removed
I look forward to hearing from you, Peter.
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Hi Sally,
I was about to send you my Wlkie and Thyer tree when I found that the moderators on this forum had removed your email address (see your message above)! I understand the reason for their policy but it's now stopped me from sending the details. I included my email address in my earlier personal message to you so if you reply to that direct to me with yours I will be able to send the tree.
I would certainly be interested to see what Peter Strickland has and, of course, your own tree.
Best wishes
Peter
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Hi Peter
Sally hasn't been online since her first posts but you should be able to send her another personal message, the notification for which should look different to the email notifications of replies, just in case she has overlooked the notification or her spam filter has it trapped in the ether.
Dawn