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Research in Other Countries => United States of America => US Lookup Requests => Topic started by: stephen lewis on Friday 20 September 13 11:17 BST (UK)
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I’m trying to find more references to Dolores Grace Grisdale (often called Grace) who was born in 1895 in Bay City Michigan but after the divorce of her parents no doubt went to live with relatives (as did her siblings). However, I can’t find her in either in the 1900 or the 1910 census. In 1911 she was living with her grand uncle James in Kitsap/Seattle as you will see from this story:
http://grisdalefamily.wordpress.com/2013/09/20/grace-grisdale/
Next I’m trying to find her after about 1920. On 7th Sept 1920 she married Richard Edward Cantwell in Tacoma, Washington. I believe he was an epileptic from Charleston S. C., where he died in hospital in 1941. The problems start because in the 1920 census we find a married Grace Cantwell in Tacoma of about the right age, a hotel servant. Unlike the others on the census all that is given is that she and her parents were born in the United States!? But I believe that the census was taken before her marriage in September 1920, so is it her?
Then we find in city directories for Tacoma in 1920 a Mrs Grace Cantwell (a nurse) living in the same house as Jos(eph) R Cantwell (Grace) (US Army). In the 1921 Tacoma directory we find Jos R Cantwell a cook with a wife Dolores G! Is this all a coincidence? The only Joseph R Cantwell I could find who matches at all in one born in Illinois in 1895 (Joseph Raymond Cantwell) who joined the army in 1917 and supposedly died in France in 1918? I can’t figure it out.
Then there is a directory entry for a Dolores G Cantwell in San Diego in 1928, but that might not be her although she was a ‘waiter’ which might fit with ‘servant in a hotel’.
What became of Grace and where was she in 1900 and 1910? Can anybody help?
Stephen
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Could this be her in 1910, "Gridale"?
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MLTP-YRL
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Yes it is
Us 1910 Grace Gridle age 15 St Vincent's Orphan Asylum Michigan Detroit Wayne
Ciderdrinker
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Could this be her in 1910, "Gridale"?
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MLTP-YRL
Well it probably is because I know of no other Grace Grisdale born in 1895 anywhere let alone in Michigan. Thanks. The mystery deepens! So if this is her in an asylum she got discharged and went to live with her rich grand uncle James in Kitsap then eloped and suffered in a ship wreck ....
Stephen
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Yes it is
Us 1910 Grace Gridle age 15 St Vincent's Orphan Asylum Michigan Detroit Wayne
Ciderdrinker
Is an Ophan Asylum just an Orphanage or really an Asylum?
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Hi
It's really an orphanage opened in 1851 by the Daughters of Charity.It closed in 1948.
Ciderdrinker
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Thanks. Anything after 1920? As perhaps Dolores Grace Cantwell?
S
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I haven't found anything for Grace yet, but there is a grave for a Joseph R. Cantwell, Texas, died March 1, 1933, Leavenworth National Cemetery:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0w7g/
He apparently was in the US Army:
http://gravelocator.cem.va.gov/index.html
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1920 District 0286, Tacoma Ward 3 Census, image 6 of 20
1306 1/2 Pacific
Joseph Cardwell(?)*, Lodger, age 33, S changed to M (married), born Kansas, as were parents, Laborer, "General"(?), able to read and write
*Could be Cantwell, or even something else
1920 District 0286, Tacoma Ward 3 Census, image 8 of 20
1306 1/2 Pacific
Grace Cantwell, age 23, married, born United States as were parents, Servant, Hotel(?), could read and write
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1930 Delaware, Leavenworth, Kansas Census
National Military Home
Joseph R Cantwell, age 45, Single, born Kansas, father born Ireland, mother born New York, occupation: None
US National Homes for Disabled Volunteer Soldiers
Joseph R. Cantwell, enlisted December 11, 1914 Decatur, Illinois; discharged October 15, 1919
Enlisted October 16, 1919, Camp Lewis, Wash, discharged October 15, 1920, Camp Lewis, WA
Born Kansas, occupation: Laborer, residence Los Angeles, Calif, Single. References his sister, who was living in Kansas City, Missouri
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1920 District 0286, Tacoma Ward 3 Census, image 8 of 20
1306 1/2 Pacific
Grace Cantwell, age 23, married, born United States as were parents, Servant, Hotel(?), could read and write
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Thanks Lisa, The question for me/us? is was Grace and Dolores Grace Cantwell the same as Dolores Grace Grisdale? 'Our' Dolores married Richard Edward Cantwell in Sept 1920, so is it pure coincidence that in the same year a Grace/Dolores Grace is living with Joseph R Cantwell in the same place?
Stephen
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I tried to "follow" Joseph Richard to see if he would eventually lead us to another record for Dolores/Grace. So far, it hasn't.
To me, the marriage image looks like
Richard J(?) Cantwell
Dolores G. Grisdale
"Signed" by Richard Ed Cantwell and Dolores G. Grisdale
I didn't study every letter but the writing looks so similar that I would suggest that Richard and Dolores did not sign their names. Perhaps the person filling out the paperwork wrote Richard Ed rather than Richard J.
It is not uncommon for people to use their middle names. Is it possible that Richard Ed/J Cantwell informally went by Joseph R Cantwell and that this was in fact one person? :-\
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US National Homes for Disabled Volunteer Soldiers
Joseph R. Cantwell, enlisted December 11, 1914 Decatur, Illinois; discharged October 15, 1919
Enlisted October 16, 1919, Camp Lewis, Wash, discharged October 15, 1920, Camp Lewis, WA
Born Kansas, occupation: Laborer, residence Los Angeles, Calif, Single. References his sister, who was living in Kansas City, Missouri
Additional information from the above image:
Age: 43. Residence subsequent to discharge: Los Angeles, Calif.
"Home History": date of admission - Adm Pac. Sept 7, 1927.
Then there is a directory entry for a Dolores G Cantwell in San Diego in 1928, but that might not be her although she was a ‘waiter’ which might fit with ‘servant in a hotel’.
Perhaps it was the same Dolores who lived in Tacoma in 1920/21? The thing that doesn't match is the reference to Grace Cantwell who was shown as nurse in 1920. Or, perhaps she had to change occupations for some reason?
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Perhaps it was the same Dolores who lived in Tacoma in 1920/21? The thing that doesn't match is the reference to Grace Cantwell who was shown as nurse in 1920. Or, perhaps she had to change occupations for some reason?
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Well she might have been a 'nurse' for a wounded/ill Joseph and worked in a hotel as well. The two residences are very close. But what really doesn't make sense is that Joseph R Cantwell was single till his death in 1933 AND Grace Grisdale married a Richard Edward Cantwell not a Joseph R (that I can find).
Maybe we can find another later marriage for Grace? Or a death? (I can't on Ancestry). San Diego seems the place to look I think.
Thx Lisa
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The certificate of marriage image that I am looking at shows:
Richard J. Cantwell. My suggestion is that he could have been
Joseph R. Cantwell.
(choosing to swap his first and middle names at some point).
Perhaps at some point they divorced and he considered himself single?
I was helping a friend with his ancestors (who also lived in Washington) and on the 1920 census one spouse declared that she was divorced and the other spouse declared his was widowed. (They were divorced.)
While the people mentioned in your post may not be the correct men, I don't think they should be ruled out at this point.
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The certificate of marriage image that I am looking at shows:
Richard J. Cantwell. My suggestion is that he could have been
Joseph R. Cantwell.
(choosing to swap his first and middle names at some point).
Perhaps at some point they divorced and he considered himself single?
I was helping a friend with his ancestors (who also lived in Washington) and on the 1920 census one spouse declared that she was divorced and the other spouse declared his was widowed. (They were divorced.)
While the people mentioned in your post may not be the correct men, I don't think they should be ruled out at this point.
Indeed so but if you look at Richard Cantwell's signature it clearly says Richard Ed(ward) Cantwell
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To me, the marriage image looks like
Richard J(?) Cantwell
Dolores G. Grisdale
"Signed" by Richard Ed Cantwell and Dolores G. Grisdale
I didn't study every letter but the writing looks so similar that I would suggest that Richard and Dolores did not sign their names. Perhaps the person filling out the paperwork wrote Richard Ed rather than Richard J.
It is not uncommon for people to use their middle names. Is it possible that Richard Ed/J Cantwell informally went by Joseph R Cantwell and that this was in fact one person? :-\
The above was a suggestion. If he did actually sign his name, Ed might also be short for Edwin.
It has been very interesting trying to find answers, but at this point, perhaps someone else might have more success. I wish you the very best with your research. Lisa
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To me, the marriage image looks like
Richard J(?) Cantwell
Dolores G. Grisdale
"Signed" by Richard Ed Cantwell and Dolores G. Grisdale
I didn't study every letter but the writing looks so similar that I would suggest that Richard and Dolores did not sign their names. Perhaps the person filling out the paperwork wrote Richard Ed rather than Richard J.
It is not uncommon for people to use their middle names. Is it possible that Richard Ed/J Cantwell informally went by Joseph R Cantwell and that this was in fact one person? :-\
The above was a suggestion. If he did actually sign his name, Ed might also be short for Edwin.
It has been very interesting trying to find answers, but at this point, perhaps someone else might have more success. I wish you the very best with your research. Lisa
Thanks for trying I'll leave it too for now. For anyone later their marriage was in Sept 1920 after two entries one for Grace Cantwell and the other for Joseph R Cantwell and Grace?
Thanks again