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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Waterford => Topic started by: MoranD on Tuesday 24 September 13 19:56 BST (UK)
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Headstone of James Moran in Ballygunner says that he "died 14th September 1864, aged 80 years".
James lived in Waterford City.
Unfortunately I cannot locate a death certificate for James.
The nearest that I found was a death cert for James Moran, Waterford, age 86. This turned out to be a farmer from Mooncoin - not the James which I was looking for, all of whose children were baptised in Waterford City, and who only lived to 80'yrs.
I'd really appreciate any ideas as to why the death cert does not appear to be listed ?
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1864 was start of civil registration, but still some bdm events were not reported. Some guess that 10 - 15% esp in the first few years after it became compulsory. Another possibility is that it has been mistranscribed. Have you tried alternative spellings? M has even been mistaken for H
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Have you considered he may not have died in the area where he was buried.
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Is there any indication when the headstone might have been erected (order of death on the stone, etc.)? It not that uncommon to find date of death on headstone is inaccurate (the longer after a death the details are inscribed the more likely for details to be wrong).
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Good point Aghadowney. There's no clear indication when the headstone was erected unfortunately. He is the first person listed on the headstone though which means that it may have been erected soon after his death.
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One more thing that may confuse the issue: sometimes the names on the headstone include people buried elsewhere. This is often implied or stated clearly, but sometimes isn't.
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Thanks guys some great ideas there.
Conahy: you could well be right about the death not having been recorded or possibly mis-transcribed. Hadn't thought to check other spellings like Horan for example. Will do.
Weste: You're right, he may not have died where buried. I tried ordering a cert for a guy of the same name, year of death and age at death, but in Dingle instead... No joy there. I may try a couple more..
GrahamSimons: A twist that I hadn't thought of! But could be the case. Inscription didn't specify that he was buried there, just said "in memory of ....". I'll keep an open mind on finding another grave, although I wouldn't expect it to have a headstone given that this headstone exists... Not sure..
Does anyone know how complete the burial register is for St Otterans graveyard is?
Which of the Waterford CoCo library branches has it?
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None of the Waterford County libraries has that register, you will have to contact Waterford City Council to search it, it starts as far as I know in 1848.
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Hello,
Sorry- you already had looked at the obvious one!
Heywood
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any idea whom James Moran was Married to ? or are any of his Children's Death's commerarated on that Headstone, sometimes clues pop-up in wider searches, Ben
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Is it possible that he died at sea, body not found ?
Is it possible that he emigrated and died in another country ?
The date on headstone might be incorrect.
I found one date on headstone that was out by 100 years, 1849 should have read 1949.
One grandfather of mine is on death cert as a farmer, but he was a builder, who kept one cow to provide fresh milk for family. The doctor was informant.
Have a look in local papers around date, you may find obituary.
Good luck with the search
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St. Otterans burial register is now online ( starts 1862) can be found at www.waterfordcouncil.ie
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Good point Aghadowney. There's no clear indication when the headstone was erected unfortunately. He is the first person listed on the headstone though which means that it may have been erected soon after his death.
Are others on the headstone his family?
When names are added, it is often obvious -style/colouring of lettering etc. This might indicate whether all names were inscribed at the one time and just in order of death rather than the various times of burial.
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Moran on the tithe apploment books Michael Moran
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchive.ie
year 1832-1834 Ballygunner
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sorry missed a (s) of archive
http://titheapplomentbooks.nationalarchives.ie
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try again
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie
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Thanks Heywood, Healyj, Vasaborg and Rathmore for all your ideas an encouragement.
I really have to pick this up again soon. I'll follow a few valuable ideas that you've provided !!
Thanks again...
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I can only scratch my head at the responses here. Sometimes the obvious answer is not only obvious, but correct. The death simply was not registered.
The non-registration rate, especially in the first few decades, was very high. I am sure it was at least 50% in some areas (based on my personal comparisons of how many years it took to fill death registers in early years, compared with early 1900s - when population was lower!)
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Have you found baptism record, his first name may have differed.
Some people are known by second name as if it is their First name.
Have you tried the Irish version Seamus.