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Hi All
Have put a post on to ask about some writing
but all I have is
C.N.Kleinstuber/N.E. Kinnen manager/ast manger
McMonagle&Rogers Drug Store Port Jerivs N.Y.
came possible on the white star line Baltic 1920/30?
from England
have a photo showing people but no names
any help with family names or census information
would help only first name on photos
thanks john
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I don't get it. It's all very cryptic. What photo? What people? What names?
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Hi Erato
Sorry plan b
I have the name of J. Kleinstuber of Port Jervis County Of Orange New York
he worked in McMonagle&Rogers Drug Store in Port Jervis? in the 1920/30
he was a keen photographer and took lots of photos
I would be greatfull for any help with trying to find his family
I think they could have come over for England in 1918/30 on the
white star line rms Baltic from liverpool
so they were from liverpool?
got some pictures of floods in port Jervis in 1922 in kingston ave
any help on finding more information on Mr kleinstuber and family
would help very much
john
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ok. Back later. I'm watching the ball game.
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The only thing coming up for me are 2 entries - New York, City Directory, 1927 and 1929.
J Kleinstuber Co - 241 Lafayette - but I think this is leather goods.
Have you tried looking at Census ? https://familysearch.org/search
Sandra
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John E Kleinstuber in 1930 Port Jervis
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X4TS-K7W
Sandra
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Hi Sandra
Thanks for information I am all most certain some of the Kleinstruber family
came from england has have pictures of people on board onthe baltic ship from the white star line from liverpool to jervis
john
ps its just trying to who ?
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You could also try looking at passenger ship entries on the http://www.ellisisland.org/ site.
Sandra
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Hi Sandra
Thanks for your message no joy yet but onwards
would like to know about this found it on the web could be the one
but would like if possible to no more this is what it says
Ethel Kleinstrbuer died DEC at st josephs place in port Jervis N Y age 101
met john kleinstruber of port Jervis married 27th June 1926 only child (*) Kleinstruber Ethel had a sister Elizabeth hoare of sparrowbush her granddaughters (*)
so did john kleinstuber start life in England maybe liverpool and some time in 1918 onwards
go to port Jervis and marry Ethel
and help with this would be great
john
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That is the couple on the census I linked in reply 5. John was born in New York.
Unfortunately you will have to remove the name of the son and all the names of the grandchildren shown in the obituary, they are living people.
Sandra
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Uh oh, looks like I'm late to the party. [Oh well, it was a good game.]
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Hi All
John Kleinstruber
Thanks to you all for help still hit the wall
Is their any history society in port jervis which I could write
to asking for help I could send some pictures but I do not
know if they are of him
If anyone could look for me in about 1920/25 did anyone
leave from liverpool to port jervis USA on the white star line ship baltic
many thanks john
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Port Jervis is in Orange County, which has a genealogical society. http://www.ocgsny.org/index.htm I believe they charge a fee for any research.
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Hi All
John Kleinstuber
Thanks to you all for help still hit the wall
If anyone could look for me in about 1920/25 did anyone
leave from liverpool to port jervis USA on the white star line ship baltic
many thanks john
Sorry, went through a list of Baltic voyages for that period and found no one.
Sandra
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Hi Shellyesq
Thanks so much for your reply will write to them
they have no e-mail contact
john
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If you are looking for the parentage of John W Kleinstuber who married Ethel in your obit, then it looks like his family came prior to 1870, from Germany. According to the 1930 census, Ethel, while born in NY, has parents who were born in ENG. Maybe they took a trip to ENG for their honeymoon to see her family. There may be passports that were issued to John and Ethel for this trip.
Following the census data backwards:
1930 Census: Orange County, NY
Kleinstuber, John W b. 1869, NY, GER, GER
Ella M , b. 1871, NY, NY, NY
John E, son, b. 1905, NY, NY, NY
Ethel, dau in law, b. NY, ENG, ENG
grandson, b. NY
1920 Census:
1910 Census: Orange County, NY
Kleinstuber, John W
Ella M, mother of 4, 3 living
Robert E, 16, b. NY
John E, 6, b. NY
Carl, 5, b. NY
1900 Census: Orange County, NY
Kleinstuber, John W, b. Sep 1868, b. NY, GER, GER
Ella M, b. Aug 1870, b. NY, NY, NY, mother of 2, 2 living
Earl, b. Dec 1892, b. NY, NY, NY
Philabena, dau, b. Jan 1895, b. NY, NY, NY
Kleinstuber, Phillippine, b. Jan 1844, b. GER, GER, GER
Benj, son, b Jun 1878, b. NY
Edwin, son, b. Nov 1880, b. NY
Louise, dau, b. Nov 1866, b. NY
1880 Census: Orange County, NY
Kleinstuber, John, 47, b. GER
Phebe, 36, b. GER
Louisa, 15, b. NY
Anna, 13, b. NY
John W, 11, b. NY
Benj C, 1, b. NY
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Hello Genealiza
Thanks so much for your help and information great news ;D ;D
If you could let me know anything about Ethel parents in England
I could then do some research on them has I no nothing about them
you could send me a PM if it was not possible to post information
thanks so muchyou have been a great help to me
regards john
ps I have got ethel madain has compton but thats all
is this right
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link to Ethel's obit:
http://www.riverreporter.com/issues/05-12-15/obits.html
According to her obit, her parents were George and Mary Tupper Hoare. Ethel was born 9 Oct 1904 in Brooklyn, NY.
Modified: not 100% sure the census data was the correct one
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1940 Census: Orange Co., NY
Hoar, Mary
Clement
James
Elizabeth
Tupper, Allen
1930 Census: Orange Co., NY
Hoare, Mary J, b. 1878 ENG
Clement, b. NY
Alice, b. NY
James, b. NY
Elizabeth, b. NY
Tupper, Allen J, brother, b. 1881 ENG
1920 Census: Orange Co., NY
same people as above
you can probably check for more information on this family on www.familysearch.org
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marriage of Ethel and John Kleinstuber:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KZ93-4ZH
apologies if this is a repeat of a previous post.
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I modified the previous 2 posts. I had erroneously entered the wrong family's census data. The corrected data has replaced it.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11088-203426-23?cc=1463113&wc=14537011
1905 NY Census: Brooklyn, Kings, NY
41 Ashland Place
Hoare, George, 65, b. ENG, 36 yrs is US, citizen, electrician
Mary J, 29, b. ENG, 6 yrs in US, citizen, housewife
Ethel, 8 mos, b. US
1915 NY Census: Deerpark, Orange, NY
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/K9G9-RDP
George must die between 1915 and 1920.
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https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JF2F-JM9
George's reentry to US in 1902 from Southampton on the Philadelphia
The actual image on www.ellisisland.org states he is an electrician and that his last residence was NY.
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Hello Genealiza
Thanks for the information great
last piece of the jigsaw hopefully
In about 1920s have you found a
c.n. kleinstuber who was an asst manger
at mcmonagle and rogers drug co.inc in port Jervis
the manager was a n.e. kinnen
you have been a great help to me and I am
very gratefull for your help and advice
if Mr c.n. kleinstruber fits then jackpot
if not its back to the drawing board
john
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Go to www.familysearch.org and search for Carl Kleinstuber in Port Jervis. He is listed as a pharmacist in a pharmacy shop in 1940.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-9879-8439-89?cc=1618491&wc=M9WL-RFB:911970991
His marriage license to Christine Guy states he is a druggist--married Jul 1923
1930 he is a druggist living in Kingston, Ulster, NY with wife and children
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The Kingston Daily Freeman - Thursday Evening December 23 rd 1926
Mr and Mrs Carl Kleinstuber are receiving congratulations over the arrival of a young son Carl Jnr at there home Bruyn Avenue. Dr Rancour was the attending physician. Mr Kleinstuber is a clerk at McBride Broadway Drug Store.
Article can be seen here:-
http://www.fultonhistory.com/Fulton.html
Sandra
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Carl Weber Kleinstuber dies in California in 1956
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VPN9-6YG
Christine Irene Kleinstuber dies in California in 1978
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VPC9-BK5
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Hi Genealiza/Sandra
Many thanks for you help and advice
I have looked for information on births/marriages/deaths
for George Hoare/Mary Tupper
both born England but where and did they marry/death in England
this is what I found
George Hoare b.1840 (Southampton)?
Mary J Tupper b. 1876 (steyning Sussex/malling Kent)?
have looked on bdm/f.m.p./anc/free cen/
but no go yet it says on records I have found born England
even on ancestry trees all it says is born England notting else
any help what to do next
john
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Strangely, there is a marriage record of George Hoare 4 October 1902 Kings New York Cert No 6629
http://italiangen.org/records-search/grooms.php
and a marriage of a Mary J Tupper 4 October 1902 Kings Cert No 6829
http://italiangen.org/records-search/brides.php
BUT the bride seems to be matched to someone else - Joseph Suter with the same reference 6829 but a date of 13 th October ??? Must be an error ???
When you put in Joseph Suter it comes up with 2 options and Minnie Deppe on the 13 th October 1902 would be the correct match.
Sandra
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Are you related to these folk, or are you just trying to find who took the pictures?
www.ellisisland.org
Allen John Tupper arriving 16 Jun 1907 on the Philadelphia from Southampton
Last residence: Billingsten, Eng
Age: 28 yrs 22 mos
Occupation: grocer's assist
Going to Bro-in-law: Geo Hoare, Sparrow Bank, Orange, NY
POB: Henfield
You might try searching the census data for Mary J and Allen J Tupper with parents--1901 and earlier.
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1891 RG12 Piece 825 Folio 129 Page 20 - Steyning Sussex
Clement Tupper 52 Ann Tupper 52
William Tupper 22 Mary J Tupper 14 Allan J Tupper 11
Sandra
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https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XQ9K-3XB
1881 Census
Clement Tupper
Ann
William
Mary Jane
Allan J
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1881 RG11 Piece 1105 Folio 53 Page 18
Clement Tupper 42 Ann Tupper 42
William Tupper 12 Mary Jane Tupper 4 Allan J. Tupper 1
Sandra
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Marriage Steyning December 1861 - Clement Tupper and Ann Storer or Stover - 2b 395
Sandra
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Westbourne, Sussex, England 1871 - no clement but Ann with 3 children. ??? Maybe ???
RG10 Piece 1124 Folio 60 Page 7
Ann Tupper 30
Alferd Tupper 4 Harry Tupper 3 William Tupper 1
Vashti Churcher 86
Sandra
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Seems to be a private member tree - Kleinstuber - on ancestry with a photo headed "Ethel Hoare's hope chest made by brother Clement Hoare" - taken 24 th May 2012. Might be worth you contacting.
Sandra
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Alice Hoare - 26 Sep 1909 Died Sep 1985
Last Residence 12771 Port Jervis, Orange, New York.
SSN was issued in New York (Before 1951)
Sandra
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Elizabeth Hoare - 23 May 1913 Died 8 Feb 2012
SSN was issued in New York (Before 1951)
Obit:- http://kaobituaries.blogspot.co.uk/2012/02/elizabeth-hoare-sparrowbush-new-york.html
Sandra
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Deerpark, Orange, New York 1940
Mary Hoar 63
Clement Hoar 34 Labourer.
James Hoar 28 Ex private.
Elizabeth Hoar 26 Office Work
Allen Tupper 58 Bar-tender
Sandra
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Hi Sandra/Genealiza
Thanks for all your help
I am hoping I can fit it into the family tree
but you have given me the best start thanks
Amongest some photos in my mother/dads box
when they were alive everthing went in there
found some old pictures just trying to find where
they fit into the family
so that's why I trying find out has much has I can
then it will all come together I hope
john
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Also on deciphering and recognition
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=663501.msg5089174#msg5089174
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Hi Sandra
yes thats the only piece I have found that got information
the others just say first names and odd dates etc
john
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George Hoare would have been 64 years old when he married Mary Jane Tupper, had he been married before I wonder ?
Have found a George Hoare born 1840 married September 1861 Westhampnett Sussex to Albenia Manser - 2b 449.
The a passenger list for George Hoare 10 June 1867 London to New York on the
Cornelius Grinnell.
Helena Hoare aged 26 years, Albina Hoare aged 3 years, and Rosetta Hoare - Liverpool to New York on the Denmark 14 November 1867
On the 1900 census Boonton, Morris, New Jersey- wife Albenia is with the 2 daughters, Alvina (married to Gibson N Vincent) and Rosetta.
Gibson N Vincent 38
Alvina Vincent 38 Born may 1862 England. Immigrated 1867. Had 5 children and 5 survive.
Marjorie Vincent 13
Emily Vincent 12
Richard G N Vincent 9
Dorothea Vincent 6
Virginia Vincent 2
Alvina Hoare 60 Born Eng. Married. Mother-in-law. Married 1861. Immigrated 1867. Has 2 children and 2 survive.
Rosetta Hoare 36 Born April 1864 Eng. Sister-in-law.
Marriage of Albina 16 April 1884 :- https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FZ26-7WL
Sandra
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FIND A GRAVE shows the daughter Albina H Vincent 1862 -1915
San Gorgonio Memorial Park Banning Riverside County California.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0wfa/
FIND A GRAVE SHOWS Gibson n Vincent 1862 - 1949
Boonton Avenue Cemetery Boonton Morris County New Jersey.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0wfc/
Perhaps an enquiry to the Cemetery would tell you if Albenia Hoare is also buried there ???
Sandra
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FIND A GRAVE shows the other daughter Rosetts Hoare - 25 April 1864 - 24 October 1948
San Gorgonio Memorial Park Banning Riverside County California.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0wfb/
Sandra
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Daughter Alvina is in Manhattan Ward 12, New York, New York in 1910 -
Gibson N Vincent 48 Abina H Vincent 47
Emily Vincent 21 Richard G Vincent 19
Dorothea Vincent 15 Virginia Vincent 11
Ralph M Vincent 4
Mary White 40 Servant.
Sandra
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Mother and sister are in Boonton, Morris, New Jersey in 1910
Albina Hoarl 70 Born England. immigrated 1868. Widowed.
Rosetta Hoarl 46 Born England. Single. Immigrated 1868.
Boonton Ward 4, Morris, New Jersey 1920
Albine Hoar 80 Born Eng. Widowed.
Rosette Hoar 55 Born Eng. Interpreter. mercantile Finance ???
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M4TY-C5R
Sandra
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Boonton, Morris, New Jersey - 1870 shows George Hoare with Albina and the 2 daughters
George Hoare 30 years Born England. Machinist. Mill. Value of personal estate $100.
Albenia Hoare 30 years Born England.
Albina Hoare 8 years Born England.
Rosetta Hoare 6 years Born England.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MNDY-5KS
Boonton, Morris, New Jersey 1880
Albina Hoar 40 Housekeeping.
Albina Hoar 18
Rosetta Hoar 16
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MN8G-4FB
Sandra
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Possibility for George Hoare - Westhampnett Sussex 1861
James Hoare 53 Agricultural Labourer.
Elizabeth Hoare 52
Henry Hoare 24 Blacksmith.
George Hoare 21 Sussex Militia Band. Born Hunston. Sussex.
Frederick Hoare 15 Agricultural Labourer.
Louisa Hoare 12
Samuel Hoare 9
Sandra
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Hi Sandra
Thanks so much great now you have found
a lots of People that are connected live in
England I get close to find a living relative
but then find they have died but I will
keep going on my last trail I found a living
relative now we are good mates nothing
to do with is side
john
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Did find a New York passenger List with George Hoare born 1840 aged 60 years old, labourer, US Citizen travelling Southampton to New York on the New York.. Also travelling Jennie Tupper born 1876 and aged 24 years, servant. Going to Aunt in Brooklyn ??? N8 275 ? 18 SE
Sandra
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Sandra
One peace of news found in the photos this could be a lead?
In 1922 there was a big flood in Port Jervis NY at the Kingston Avenue Section
of the Town
So did any of the name Tupper/Hoare/Kleinstuber/Etc
live in Kingston Avenue?
I had a look but no joy yet
john
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Carl and John Kleinstuber (and parents) lived in Pine Street just off Kingston Avenue.
https://www.google.co.uk/#q=pine+street+port+jervis
Sandra
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From Chronicling America: http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/
NY Tribune, 1 Jan 1920
George Hoare, 80 died at his home in Sparrowbush, Orange Co., NY yesterday. He was a police justice for the town of Deer Park, NY and was a member of Joppa Lodge, F and A.M., of Brooklyn.
So it looks like George died 31 Dec 1919.
Also, in the above obit, it states that he was a police justice. I believe that should be justice of the peace. I've found other news articles in which he is either running for justice of the peace, or is the justice of the peace.
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After much scanning, I've found the estate filing of George Hoare.
www.familysearch.org
New York Orange County Probate Records
Estates: 1920, VOL 765, image 551-560
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-28313-27804-38?cc=1918465&wc=M9SH-1JX:n684581413
He lists his wife as admin. and she is the only heir listed. Along with the attorney, a John Tupper is a witness to the Last Will and Testament.