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Hi
Im looking for an ancestor of mine named William Jarvis Harker. He was born in the UK and moved to New Zealand in the early 1880s (edited). Once he got to New Zealand he married Gertrude Mary Sheath and had four children and seemed to appear in the New Zealand media a lot.
His age at the time of death is listed as 79 years old which would mean he was born in 1846 and died in 1920. I can find online references to a William Jarvis Harker being born in 1843 but not much other information. One source quotes that WJH had two wives who both died before moving to New Zealand and that he had 12 children but I cannot find any information to validate this. I found an article about a WJH who went bankrupt in the early 1870s and was finalised in 1884 (edited) but do not know if this is the same person. If so it would mean he went bankrupt then moved to New Zealand and ended up a bankrupt again...
I found a marriage record of sorts from the Isle of Wight plus birth information for a WJH from 1843 on the free BMD index but thats all and I dont know if those are the right people.
Can anyone direct me to websites (preferably free ones) to see if I can find any further information about this colourful character from his time in the UK.
Regards
Cameron
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Hi Cameron
Do you have any information regarding this man's occupation?? There are references ( unfortunately on pay per view sites ) about a William Jarvis HARKER who was involved with clockmaking?
Cheers
Karenlee
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No real proof that this is your man, but might be worth keeping this for future reference
Baptism Register
St Mary Stoke Newington
Hackney
William Jarvis son of George and Ellen HARKER of Stoke Newington. Born 6th May 1843 Baptised 7th July 1843. Father's Occupation Merchant.
Cheers
Karenlee
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Hi all, that one in 1871 aged 27 occ Colonial Broker b Middx with wife Julia 30 b Hampshire plus 4 children born Surrey.
In a rush so they are in Bromley, Poplar Census Ref RG10/571/29/8
Keyboard86
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Morning keyboard
I can see several baptisms for children with parents either William Jarvis and Elizabeth Rose or William Jarvis and Julia. Unfortunately not able to see an original marriage certificate for either pair to show groom's father to prove it's the same man.
Cheers
Karenlee
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Morning Karenlee, back from work duties, this is the 1871:-
Wm Jarvis Harker 27 occ Colonial Broker b Stoke Newington
Julia 30 b Portsmouth
Ellen Dresie Alice Harker 5 b Peckham Rye
Wm Reginald Knightlly Harker 4 b Peckham Rye
Vivian Knightly Harker 1 b Claygate
Rose Marie Harker 1 b Claygate
Residing at London Road, Bromley, Poplar, Middx
Keyboard86
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Hi again, in 1881 Rose Maria Harker aged 10 b Esher, Surrey is with her Grandparents Thomas Parker Mew and wife Mary Julia Mew in Lymington, Hampshire
Census Ref RG11/1190/23/5
Keyboard86
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Hi
Thank you for your responses. The WJH working in New Zealand was an auctioneer. Listed on his sons marriage certificate as a "Gentleman" (what ever that means).
Another persons family tree has his birth as Hackney, England, United Kingdom but that is for a June 1843 date and not 1846.
He married Gertrude Mary Sheath in 1884 in New Zealand. She was from Aston, Warwickshire, England, United Kingdom
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Hey Cameron
Do you have William's marriage certificate from1884? Does it give his father's name?
Most of William Jarvis HARKER's children's UK baptisms show father's occupation as Gentleman too.
Cheers
Karenlee
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This is from the London Gazette 1884 _ I dont know if its the same person. If he married 25 August 1884 in New Zealand Im assuming thats enough time to get to New Zealand - escaping the debtors?
In the London Bankruptcy Court.
A FIEST and Final Dividend of 3|d. in the pound has been declared in the matter of William Jarvis
Harker, of 16, Elton-road, Haverstock Hill, in the county of Middlesex, Gentleman, adjudicated bankrupt on the 8th day of August, 1875, and will be paid by me, at the offices of Messrs. James and Edwards, No. 66, Colemanstreet, London, on and after the 25th day of February, 1884.—Dated this 19th day of February, 1884.
A. A- JAMES, Trustee.
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Hi Karenlee
Re Marriage certificate: Ill order it from the New Zealand births, deaths and marriages website
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Assuming that he was being honest, it should tell you a bit more about William and should list his father and maybe even his mother.
If his parents are George and Ellen then there is a fair bit of UK information about that family line.
Cheers
Karenlee
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Hi again
Thank you I have ordered the marriage certificate so should have the electronic version in 3-4 days and will post more information then - hopefully with some news of his parents.
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Marriage;
27 October 1864, Newport, Hampshire
William Jarvis HARKER, Father GEORGE Harker
Julia MEW, Father THOMAS PARKER Mew
(Source Familysarch.Org)
Trish :)
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1851 Census William Harker born c 1844 London, Middlesex is visiting his Aunt/Uncle Jacob/Jue FITT in Hampshire
Jacob FITT Married Julia LOE, 21 July 1824, Portsmouth, Hampshire
1851 Census George HARKER born c 1799, Lymington, Hampshire and Wife Ellen are in Stoke Newington, Middlesex.George is a Spice Merchant.
Ellen is born c 1806 Selbourne same place as Julia Fitt
HO107/1503/138/35
1841 in Stoke we have;
George Harker 40, Merchant
Ellen Harker 30
George Harker 7
Charles Harker 6
Ellen Harker 4
Caroline Harker 2
George/Ellen are not born in County
George MARKER (yes thats how its transcribed on F/S.Org) Married Ellen LOE, 07 Jan 1832, Saint Thomas, Bedhampton, Hampshire, England
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Thanks for the information - its definitely not the 1799 Harker. He died in New Zealand in 1920.
Edit - oops should have read your post a bit slower!
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The 1799 George Harker appears to be William Jarvis Harkers Father and Ellen Loe his Mother.
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Hi All
Well the New Zealand BDM staff are very productive.
William Jarvis Harker - Father: George Harker - listed as a gentleman and wife Ellen Harker (nee Loe).
He is listed as a Widower as of January 1879. Born in England
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And WJH listed his age as at 23 August 1884 as 41
His wife was 27
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Hi - is there any more information about WJH and Elizabeth Rose? Are there any links to the Isle of Wight marriage record on free bdm?
Are there any parents for the Loe children Ellen and Julia or other siblings?
Thank you again for your time!
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Morning Karenlee, back from work duties, this is the 1871:-
Wm Jarvis Harker 27 occ Colonial Broker b Stoke Newington
Julia 30 b Portsmouth
Ellen Dresie Alice Harker 5 b Peckham Rye
Wm Reginald Knightlly Harker 4 b Peckham Rye
Vivian Knightly Harker 1 b Claygate
Rose Marie Harker 1 b Claygate
Residing at London Road, Bromley, Poplar, Middx
Keyboard86
Hi Keyboard86..if this the census records for the suspected wife of WJH - what do the 1 b claygate and 4 b Peckham Rye references mean?
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;D Hi again b Claygate b Peckham Rye means they were born in Claygate Surrey or Peckham Rye Surrey?
Julia Mew in 1851:-
Thomas P Mew 31 occ Wine & Spirit Merchant b Newport Isle of Wight
Mary J 26 b Portsmouth
Julia 10 b Portsmouth
Mary A 9 b Newport I O W
Residing at Quay Street, Lymington, Hampshire
Census ref HO107/1666/79/21
Keyboard86
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The numbers are ages and next is place they were born;
Eg;
1871 Census
Rose Marie HARKER, age 1, born Claygate
So she was born about 1869/1870
Marriage Reg from FreeBMD. www.freebmd.org.uk.
This is just the English Civil Reg of BMD like the NZ one. No other info is contained just names.
William James HARKER, March 1873, Kensington, 1a 257
Elizabeth Rose JONES on same page
Looks like Jarvis has been mistaken for James in transcribing
I cant find this Marriage on Familysearch.Org where I found the earlier Marriage to Julie Loe.
Looks like Julias Death Reg is mistranscribed also;
Julia HURKER, Dec 1871, Poplar, 1c 480, age 32 (Birth c 1839)
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WILLIAM JARVIS and ELIZABETH ROSE Harker Baptised some their Children all at the same time;
18 March 1877, Radipole, Dorset;
LAURA MAY Harker
MALCOMBE KNIGHTLEY Harker
FLORENCE MARRYATT HARKER
1881 Census Melcombe Harker age 4, born c 1877 Weymouth, Dorset, is a Student at St Agnes School, St Margarets Convent Moat Road, East Grinstead, Sussex
Also there is a HAROLD Harker age 3 and NORMAN Harker age 2 both born Weymouth.
FLORENCE Harker age 8 (1873) is there also at the School.
Free BMD has these Birth Regs in Weymouth (you can check yourself)
Harker, Malcome Knightley 1877
HARKER, Harold Cecil K 1878
Harker, Alfred Norman K 1879
So all William J's Children with Elizabeth Rose
She must have died giving birth to Alfred Norman or soon after
Death Reg;
ELIZABETH ROSE Harker, March 1879, Weymouth, 5a 248, age 32 (Birth c 1847)
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LOE Christened Selborne, Hampshire to DANIEL/ELIZTH Loe;
RICHARD, 09 April 1793 (Has Father as Daniel Loe Junior)
JAMES, 27 July 1794
HENRY BURBEY Loe, 07 Feb 1797
JOHNSON Loe, 16 Aug 1798
ELIZABETH, 25 May 1800
MARY BURBEY Loe, 31 March 1802
JULIA Loe, 01 June 1804***
HELEN Loe, 01 January 1806******
SARAH Loe, 13 Nov 1807
MATILDA Loe, 07 June 1809, Buried 20 June 1810, Father Daniel Junr Loe
So Daniels Father would be a Daniel also as he is known as Daniel Junior Loe.
Daniel Junr LOE Married Elizabeth BURBEY, 07 June 1792, Selborne, Hampshire, England
All on Familysearch.Org
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Hampshire, England, Extracted Parish Records about Loe, Daniel Elizabeth Beard Daniel Loe, Junr.
Text: Loe, Daniel, of Selborne, shoemaker, 60, w., & Elizabeth Beard, of the s., 50, w., at S., 19 Feb 1803. Daniel Loe, junr., of the s., shopkeeper, bondsman.
Collection: Hampshire: - Marriage License allegations, Bishop of Winchester, 1689-1837 (Marriage)
So Daniel Snr, Widower, Shoemaker, married Elizabeth Beard, Spinster 19 Feb 1803
Son Daniel Junr Loe , Shopkeeper, was the bondsman
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Hi Trish1120
Thank you so much for the information!. Ill digest it all when I get home tonight.
I note from your signature block there is a reference to the nationalarchives.
I typed in William Jarvis Harker and came up with a single result. There is the option to ask for it to be digitised. If I request it is it likely to be digitised?
Cause number: 1875 H168.
Short title: Hyde v Lord Elibank.
Documents: Bill only.
Plaintiffs: Henry Barry Hyde the elder on behalf of himself and all other debenture holders of the defendants company and Henry Barry Hyde the younger.
Defendants: Hon Montolieu Fox Oliphant Murray Baron Elibank, Sir John Murray bart, Josiah Wilkinson, John Foster Vesey Fitzgerald, John Irving junior, William Jarvis Harker, Samuel Whitehall Mulloney and The General Sewage and Manure Company Ltd.
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And thank you Keyboard86!
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The Loe line
Looking at familysearch.org there is a Daniel Loe christened on 6 May 1855 in Selborne, Hampshire, England. In the same record it says his father is:
Francis Loe and Eliza
Is it just coincidence? It seems the Daniel Loe name is quite common
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Hi Folks
Ive been following up some leads with regards to the Harker line and am seeking your advice about the likely candidates for George Harkers father. George was born Lymington, Hampshire, England, United Kingdom on 19 Dec 1798. On findmypast we have a Jervis Harker (most likely Jarvis Harker listed as the father). A Jarvis Harker married Mary Robinson in 1891
First Name: GEORGE
Last Name: HARKER
Country: England
Record set: Hampshire baptisms
County: Hampshire
Year: 1799
Month: Jan
First Parent: Jervis
Second Parent: Mary
Birth Year: 1799
Parish: Lymington
Place: LYMINGTON
Notes: bn 19 Dec 1798
Year: 1799
Son or daughter: Son
Day: 16
Category: Life Events (BDMs)
Record collection: Births & baptisms
Collections from: United Kingdom
Looking on Findmypast for Jarvis Harker Im not sure if I am making the correct possible matchs. Can anyone help me narrow down to see if this Jarvis Harkers may have been George Harkers (and his brothers and sisters) father. I haven't been able to find a death record for George Harker but one of his sons was born in Hackney. The Jarvis Harker I found was born in 1762 in Yorkshire.
Cleveland Baptisms Transcription
First Name: JARVIS
Last Name: HARKER
Country: England
Record set: Cleveland Baptisms
County: Yorkshire
Yorkshire (North Riding)
Year: 1762
Mother's Given Name: Yorkshire (North Riding)
Month: Harker
Birth Year: 1762
Place: RICHMOND
Year: Jarvis
Father Occupation: Richmond
Day: 28
Category: Life Events (BDMs)
Record collection: Births & baptisms
Collections from: United Kingdom
There is a death record for a Jarvis Harker born in 1862 - died 1836 but I am not sure if this is the same person as hes now in Bedfordshire.
First Name: JARVIS
Last Name: HARKER
Burial Day: 15
Burial Month: 2
Burial Year: 1836
Age: 74
Place: BEDFORD
County: Bedfordshire
Country: England
Church Denomination: ANGLICAN
Church Description: ST MARY
Record set: National Burial Index for England & Wales
Category: Life Events (BDMs)
Record collection: Deaths & burials
Collections from: United Kingdom
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Hi Cameron,
I think I am the source of information you quoted at the beginning. William Jarvis Harker was my wife's great grandfather. I am 99% sure of the lineage of WJH down the children of his first two marriages in England. My wife's father and grandfather talked to her about WJH - a bit sketchy by the time we started to have a look since they were long since in Australia - he stayed in NZ, but enough to provide anecdotal evidence which correlates well against some of the factual records that present themselves. I have various B, M, D certificates including his birth and death certificates. He was born on 6 May 1843.
I have various bits of information about his time in England and the circumstances of departing for NZ - he left his children behind - they were at an orphan's convent in Sussex at the time of the 1881 Census ( I have visited the old convent) and the children were later sent out to him, but not at his request apparently!
Elisabeth Rose Jones, his second wife, did die in childbirth to twins - one survived (my wife's grandfather) and the other sadly died.
I can give more information if you contact me - you tracked me down on Facebook - and I'm keen to get filled in on the NZ connection about which I know little! Cheers ..... Rob
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Hi Rob
WJH was the father of Cyril Harker. Cyril adopted my grandfather and our family bears the Harker name.
I have 29 ages of Cyrils memoirs which were uncompleted because of his death where he mentions his father.
Ill message you off list.
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Thanks, Cameron that'll be great. Cyril was quite a well known politician in NZ wasn't he?
I'll email you (got the other message) some information
Best wishes
Rob
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Hi All,
I'm also researching William Jarvis Harker and would like to get in contact with anyone who knows more about his story.
I've done quite a bit of research on George Harker (WJH's father) who was a drysalter in London. His business is still operating under the name of Demos. A photo and some more information about of George Harker can be found at the following link:
http://www.demos-uk.com/history
I also have a copy of George and Ellen's will, but I'm having trouble deciphering what WJH was entitled to.
Regards,
msnoek
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Hi
I and Rob have more info about W.J.H. Are you another descendant?
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Hi Revolution,
WJH is my husband's three times great grandfather. Am I able to get in contact with you offline?
Thanks
msnoek
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Hi Revolution,
I find it very likely that Mary Robinson and Jarvis Harker were George Harker's parents, based on the fact that George and Ellen had a son named Charles Robinson Harker in 1836.
Milly
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Hi Milly
Good to hear from you again.
Yes we have William Jarvis Harker the son of George Harker and Ellen Low.
George the son of Jarvis Harker and Mary Robinson
Jarvis the son of Jarvis Harker and Elizabeth Lambert
Jarvis the son of John Harker 1690-1752 and Margaret Broadbery 1702-1755