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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Bedfordshire => Topic started by: getstarted on Tuesday 15 October 13 14:56 BST (UK)
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I am looking for the family of Arthur Bailey, born in Bedford June 27, 1819. Christened July 23. Mother Anne, Father Charles Bailey. Looking for for information on parents and siblings.
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Hi getstarted
Welcome to rootschat :)
It looks as though Arthur could have had an older brother Thomas
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NPKW-Q78
and possibly a younger sister Jane Martha
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JQ1H-1VW
Rosie
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Was Arthur married several times as there is someone matching your Arthur born 1819 Bedford died 1883 Stanley Falkland Islands married first to a Christine Healy .Maria Lovelidge
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Yes, this is the Arthur Bailey that was born in Bedford and died in the Falkland Islands. He was married to Christina Healy, Maria Lousia Lovelidge and Elizabeth Horrocks. I am trying to find any family he had in Bedford prior to going overseas.
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There is a tree on Ancestry that has a Joseph Bailey born 1819 Bedford who was a witness at Arthurs wedding in 1848 .Also Jane Bailey born 1821
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Arthur Joseph Bailey was born in the Falkland Islands in 1874. Madelaine Jane was born in 1849 but her Mother was Maria Louise Lovelidge. Arthur Bailey (Bedford) married Maria Louise on Feb 10th, 1948. It could be the same family but I am not sure. ??? ???
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Jackson's Oxford Journal (Oxford, England), Saturday, February 19, 1848; Issue 4947.
Marriages
At Bedford, Arthur Bailey Esq Surveyor General of the Falkland Islands to Maria daughter of Mr Lovelidge
also
http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/20820/pages/325/page.pdf
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There was a son Charles born in New Zealand
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Thank you for the information on the appointment to surveyor and the marriage to Maria Louise. That fits with my tree.
Arthur had a son & daughter in New Zealand and there are now many Baileys there. I am corresponding with a few of them.
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There is a Ann Bailey b1781 in the 1851 census Civil Parish ST Mary Bedford aged 70 widow also Jane Bailey born 1829 .Elizabeth Bradshaw Hannah Bemes both servant's the address is hard to make out Pott?? Street .Maybe you will get more information from contacts in New Zealand
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My transcript of the marriage at http://stevengibbs.me.uk/Bedford-StPaulMarriages-2.htm#R367
This 1851 census entry might be his mother. I can't find any of the family in 1841.
1851 Census: Bedford St Mary, Bedford
Piece: HO107/1751 Folio: 712 Page: 16
Dwelling: Potter Street
Ann BAILEY W 70 F Bedford
Rel: Head
Occ: Fundholder
Jane BAILEY U 22 F Bedford
Rel: Daughter
Elizabeth BRADSHAW U 26 F Broughton, Northamptonshire
Rel: Servant
Hannah BENZES U 25 F Lowestoft, Suffolk
Rel: Servant
The only Charles Bailey baptised in Bedford in the correct time period was at St Mary in 1775. There is the burial of a Charles Bailey at Cardington on 5th May 1843, aged 68. There are no Baileys in Cardington in 1841.
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Seen this in 1841 Census but the surname Bealey ??? Civil Parish Southill Bedfordshire
Charles 65,Ann,62.. Jane 15,Catherine Southham 47, Sarah Kendrick 22. Sarah Benns 22 don't know if these are the same person
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There are quite a few mentions of an unknown 'Charles Bailey' on Blars web site, this one caught my eye. He might be worth investigating :-\
http://apps.bedscc.gov.uk/bedsccis3/detail.aspx?parentpriref=110242666
1832
Printed notice by Charles Bailey, Mayor of Bedford, reproducing rules of the City of London Board of Health ...........etc
He appears on here in 1827 & 1831
http://www.forms.bedford.gov.uk/civic/19th_Century_Mayors.htm
Rosie
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I think the Charles, Ann & Jane Bealey on 1841 census at Southill found by Rosie could well be them; looking at the image it is more Bailey than Bealey!. The ages of Ann & Jane are close to those on the 1851 census. Also might there be a link between the servants Hannah Benns & Sarah Benns ? On 1841 Charles is a Steward; on Arthur's marriage cert his father Charles is down as 'Gent' (but not deceased) & Arthur says he's from Elstow which is not far from Cardington where this Charles may have been buried in 1843. The age at death makes him born 1776 which tallies to his 1841 census year of birth.
An online tree suggests Charles Bailey married Ann Palmer but with no verification, however the IGI has a marriage for them on 2 June 1799 at Bedford St Paul, plus it has a baptism there of son Charles in 1803.
Regards John
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The Charles who was buried at Cardington left a PCC will (at the National Archives) describing him as Gentleman. I have little doubt this is the right burial.
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From Blars catalogue ref ST767 is 'An original will of Charles Bailey of Bedford, gentleman'
Dated 7 Feb 1831
All estates to trustees, William Henry Whitbread of Southill, esquire and Samuel Charles Whitbread of Cardington, esquire. His wife Ann to have life interest in household goods etc. while a widow
Interest to support wife and children. Special provision for son Thomas Bailey, apprentice to Mr William Cubitt of Grays Inn Road, Middlesex, builder.
There is also ref ST768 dated 4 May 1840
Original codicil to will made by Charles Bailey late of Bedford now of Southill, gentleman, to will dated 9 February 1831. Mentions eldest son Charles Bailey and daughter Jane Martha Bailey
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Blars also has doc ref WY262 Copy of will of Benjamin Palmer of Bedford, gentleman.
Dated 28 Oct 1815. Proved 11 Mar 1817
..... which includes .....
To daughter Ann wife of Charles Bailey of Bedford, gentleman, £100.
Good old Beds Archives ....
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Thank you. I do think Charles Bailey was married to Ann Palmer in 1799. I have a request in for Arthur Bailey's birth certificate. That should answer some questions. Ann's father was Benjamin.
Great archives.
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more info ..... thanks google
http://www.iukgenweb.org/data/read.php?122,37649
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I have a request in for Arthur Bailey's birth certificate.
how? Arthur was born 1819, civil registration started 1837
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Charles Bailey, bachelor married Ann Palmer, spinster, minor by licence on 2 June 1799 at St Paul's Bedford. The marriage licence transcript dated 1 Jun 1799 is for Charles Bailey, woolstapler of St Paul, age 21+ to Ann Palmer, daughter of Benjamin Palmer of St Paul, minor; suety was given ny father Benjamin Palmer.
Another licence entry dated 7 Jun 1800 has Charles Bailey, gent of Bedford giving surety for marriage of John Parker, gent of St Peter's & Susannah Bell of St Peter's who married there on 9 Jun 1800. Don't know if this CB gent is the same as CB woolstapler?
Baptisms at St Paul's Bedford as follows
10 Nov 1800 James Bailey son of Charles & Ann, woolstapler, born 20 Apr 1800
10 Jun 1801 Benjamin Bailey son of Charles & Ann, woolstapler, born 19 May 1801
25 Mar 1803 Charles Bailey, son of Charles & Ann, born 14 Feb 1803
Son James Bailey was buried St Paul's on 29 Mar 1802
** Found later on NBI burial of Benjamin Bailey on 12 Apr 1830 at St Paul's age 28
Noted other burials at St Paul's of James Bailey, woolstapler on 15 Feb 1802 and Mrs Sarah Bailey, widow from St Peter's on 17 Jan 1812. I pretty much suspect that these are Charles' parents, more later...
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Baptisms at St Mary's Bedford children of Mr James & Sarah Bailey
7 Feb 1770 Joseph, son
3 Jan 1771 Martha, daughter
16 Apr 1772 Ann, daughter, was buried at St Paul's on 22 Jun 1773
9 Aug 1775 Charles, son
I noticed on all these baptisms that James Bailey is noted as Mr. while most other baptisms just had the name of father. Does this suggest that he was of some importance?
I didn't find a marriage for James & Sarah in any of the Bedford town parishes
Blars have the will of James Bailey, woolstapler of Bedford dated 6 Feb 1802, proved on 28 Apr 1802 where he leaves £2000 to his wife Sarah with proviso that £1000 of that goes to son Charles. There is also mention of daughter Martha Stafford, wife of Robert Stafford. I found that Robert died in June 1814 & Martha on 8 Mar 1823. Blars also has Letter of Admin dated 29 Jan 1812 regarding the estate of Sarah Bailey of Bedford, widow, deceased; granted to son Charles Bailey.
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I am Terry Bailey from Auckland New Zealand. Arthur was my GGG grandfather. If this is the Aurthur you are looking for I have the history of our Bailey family in New Zealand from Arthur's son Charles 1843 to my great grand children 2007. If you want further information post an e-mail address.
Published 2008 , The Dictionary of Falkland Islands Biography (Tatham)
• ARTHUR BAILEY (1819-1833)
Surveyor. Arthur Bailey was born in Bedford on 27 June 1819, the son of Charles Bailey and Anne, and christened at St Marys Bedford on 23 July. He served on the Ordnance Survey of England under Captain Colby RE 1835-1841. In 1841 he was appointed assistant surveyor to the expedition sent to New Zealand under Mr Ligaer and served in that post until 1848. He was then appointed surveyor general of the Falkland Islands at a salary of 350 pounds and probably arrived with Governor Rennie on the transport Nautilis in June 1848. A minute from Rennie dated 27 October 1948 expresses disappointment at his inability to construct roads and buildings. In reply Bailey blamed the poor quality of workmen in the colony.
In the Falklands census of 1851 he is described as married with two children. His wife was Marie-Louise (also spelt Louisa) nee Lovelige and they had two daughters Madelaine Jane (b1848) and Agnes who died aged 4 weeks on 24 October 1850. His wife died about two weeks later on 5 November. A despatch from Governor Rennie in 1851 noted that Bailey and his daughter were desolate and he was sent on one years leave. He married again on 7 April 1868 to Elizabeth, formerly Horrocks. They had seven children in the Falklands, all except three of whom seem to have died in infancy, although the records are not entirely clear. Elizabeth herself died in 1877, aged only 25.
Governor Moore suspended Bailey for discharging a pistol in the settlement and for insulting conduct, but this incident does not appear to have harmed his career. In Jul 1859 Bailey accompanied the colonial secretary James Longden on a tour of the North Camp counting cattle - the reckoned that about 6,000 wild cattle remained and commented:' the cattle are increasing again gast and there is abundance of pasture especially in the districts which have been chiefly seats of operations of Mr Lafone and the Company'. In 1861 Moore instructed him to use his authority as JP to sort out a dispute between the lessees of New Island and the captain of a French brig who was illegally slaughtering penguins. The surveyor post was closed in 1873 and Bailey was appointed coroner, registrar general and receiver of wrecks in 1875 and police magistrate in 1878. He administered the government during Governor Callaghan's leave in 1878. His term was not a success: on his return Callaaghan wrote" I found that a decided reaction had set in against the recent policy of the government, and this I fear greatly owing to Mr Bailey, who from his long residence here has become too subject to local influences to be able to withstand the strong pressure put upon him:'. In July 1879 Callaghan told the Colonial Office that he was unwilling to devolve government on Bailey again.
He died on 14 September 1883 and was buried in Stanley Cemetery as was both his wives and four or five of his nine children. In a despatch Governor Kerr noted his death, after a short illness, adding "Mr Bailey was a very old and meritorious public officer of this Colony'.
Despite his personal sorrows, he had indeed provided experience and continuity to the infant colony though he had failed to rise to the occasion when he acted as Governor.
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Hi Terry,
Welcome to RootsChat :)
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Regards
Sarah :)
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Hi Terry,
I do have information on the Bailey's in New Zealand but it is great to hear from you. Arthur was a bit of a rogue but he certainly had an interesting life. Tracking his family is not an easy task. Arthur was my Great grandfather. Elizabeth Horrocks was my G grandmother.
Thank you
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Found this thread really interesting. Arthur Bailey was my GGG Grandfather being the father of Charles Bailey my GG Grandfather. It is my understanding that he never married Christina Healey/Hely my GGG Grandmother. I would be very interested in any more information on either of their families
Thanks
Jane Bailey :-)
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Hi Jane,
Welcome to RootsChat.
Terry and getstarted have been notified by email of your reply.
Regards
Sarah
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Hi terry,
My name is Robert Bailey, I’m a farmer in the Scottish Borders and the son of Anthony Bailey of Spital Tower. We inherited Spital Tower Farney through my granny, Jean Greenshields-Leadbetter, whose family was included in the Burke’s Landed Gentry of Scotland 1950’s.
In that book it shows a bit of my paternal side too. My grandfather, Jeans husband, was a Major Robert Anthony Bailey of the Guides cavalry, India. He was born out there to Major Gilbert Stafford Bailey and his with Constance Elizabeth, nee Clissold, daughter of Rev. Henry Bayley Clissold. Gilbert was also born in India, in Madras to Major-General William Stafford Bailey of the Madras staff corps. William has married FlorenceBayly in Bedford. Florence was the daughter of Rev Edmund Goodenough Bayly, maternal nephew of Samuel Goodenough, Bishop of Carlisle.
William was born in Bedford and lived in St Paul’s Square with his parents, William Bailey, Surgeon and Sophia, nee Pulley. William the surgeon was son of Charles Bailey and Anne Palmer. This Charles was the wool stapler and twice mayor of Bedford. So your Arthur must have been William the surgeons brother! Anne was the daughter of Benjamin Palmer who seemed to own a lot of property in Bedford. He was the son of Bonham Palmer II.
My family have, since at least Major general Williams time used a griffin for a crest, although I know of no grant of arms or even if there was a shield. Does anyone else know if these Bedford baileys had a coat of arms?
My family have always been close to and claim relation to Lt-Col Fredrick Marshman Bailey, does anyone know how he might be connected to Charles and Anne?
Thank you very much
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Hello Robert,
I think I originally started this thread ages ago and have managed to do some research since. It sounds like you have an interesting family tree.
First my name is Leslie Bailey. I live in Canada and Arthur Joseph Bailey was my great grandfather. He had a very interesting life although I think he may not have felt that way in the end.
Arthur Joseph had three wives (probably not married to the first in New Zealand) a daughter Madelaine Jane by Maria Louisa who died in child birth with the 2nd child. He then married Elizabeth Horrocks. Elizabeth had seven children only 3 survived. One of the three was my grandfather - Arthur Joseph. Elizabeth also died as a result of child birth. Young Arthur spent time in England & then immigrated to Canada where he married and had 3 children including my father - Arthur Stanley.
Yes Arthur Sr was William's brother. There were many children. My brother has a ring that was given to him by my father who said it came from his father. I think there is a crest? on the ring. I will ask for another picture.
Fredrick Marshman Bailey does have a connection. His parents were Frederick Bailey and Florence Marshman. Frederick's parents were Charles Bailey (1803-1865) and Catherine E S Irvine (1811-1865) both died in Hertfordshire, England.
Charles was also a brother to Arthur and William.
I hope that helps. Who were Anthony Bailey's parents?
Leslie
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Hi Leslie,
Thank you very much, that’s really interesting. I’m trying to build up a bit of a family tree covering the descendants of Charles Bailey, the Mayor as part of an update of the family history book I have. This book covers my grandmothers family, the Greenshields-Leadbetter of Spital Tower and her mother’s family the Ushers of Norton and Wells, all Scottish families. My father is Anthony Bailey who succeeded as “of Spital Tower” in the 70s from his aunt. His father was Major Robert Anthony Bailey, acting Lt-Col, and Jean Gillespie Greenshields-Leadbetter, daughter of Thomas Greenshields-Leadbetter of Spital Tower and his wife Mary Anne Usher.
This is fantastic to hear from living cousins! I’m only 19 but am taking on the project of the family history on behalf of my dad. A picture of the crest would be great!
There was a Bayley family around Thorney, nearish to Bedford, who’s ancestors where Flemish refugees whose name was de Bailleul. There where over 70 different de Bailleul registered at Thorney throughout the 1700s, each anglicising the name in different ways, including Bayley, Bauyaux and Bailey.Perhaps we are of this stock?
Thank you very much.
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Hey, my name is Jessica Bailey and I am wondering if you know who Archibald Frank Bailey is (born 1882 in bedforshire) who had a son named Edward Austin Bailey (born 1904 in Luton) then moved to India and was a British major during world war 2. He had 2 sons with a woman named Norma Monica Crean after they migrated to Australia from Burma!!!! I hope we have some connection because I would love to meet some distant family. I live in Hong Kong but grew up in Australia.