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Title: Jessie Lloyd Bridgnorth Birth
Post by: wiilams83 on Sunday 20 October 13 16:52 BST (UK)
My second great grandmothers birth certificate says Jessie Lloyd Born April 1884 Bridgnorth

Father Charles Lloyd labourer

Mother Mary Lloyd late Smith formally Bonagal

Can anyone help me find a marrage for Mary please and help me out. Thank you

Title: Re: Jessie Lloyd Bridgnorth Birth
Post by: keyboard86 on Sunday 20 October 13 17:02 BST (UK)
Hi is this Jessie in 1891?

Charles 36 b Bearstone
Mary 40
Henry 17
Charles 12
William 10
Jessie 7
Louisa 1
All other than Charles snr b Bridgnorth
Residing at Lower Penn
Census ref RG12/2225/120/5
Keyboard86
Title: Re: Jessie Lloyd Bridgnorth Birth
Post by: groom on Sunday 20 October 13 17:05 BST (UK)
Here's Marys second marriage

Charles Lloyd
Mary Smith
Dec 1875
Kidderminster
6C 405

 
Title: Re: Jessie Lloyd Bridgnorth Birth
Post by: wiilams83 on Sunday 20 October 13 17:06 BST (UK)
Thank you
Title: Re: Jessie Lloyd Bridgnorth Birth
Post by: groom on Sunday 20 October 13 17:12 BST (UK)
I cant find a marriage of a Bonagal to a Smith or any mention of a Mary Bonagal in the censuses.
Title: Re: Jessie Lloyd Bridgnorth Birth
Post by: groom on Sunday 20 October 13 17:14 BST (UK)
Got her

Mary Ann Bonnagale
Oct-Nov-Dec 1868
Kensington London
Volume Number:   1a  Page Number:   173

On the same page James Smith
Title: Re: Jessie Lloyd Bridgnorth Birth
Post by: wiilams83 on Sunday 20 October 13 17:15 BST (UK)
Oh well it's a start with Mary's second marrage thank you. Will have  to keep looking for her
Title: Re: Jessie Lloyd Bridgnorth Birth
Post by: wiilams83 on Sunday 20 October 13 17:16 BST (UK)
Wow so she was from London
Title: Re: Jessie Lloyd Bridgnorth Birth
Post by: groom on Sunday 20 October 13 17:18 BST (UK)
No Shropshire

Here she is in 1851 HO107; Piece: 1986; Folio: 297; Page: 56  Bridgnorth

Thomas Bonnigal   26     Lab        Denichill, Shropshire
Ann Bonnigal   28                          Bridgnorth, Shropshire
Lucy Bonnigal   3                            Bridgnorth, Shropshire
Mary Ann Bonnigal   2 Mo               Bridgnorth, Shropshire

Title: Re: Jessie Lloyd Bridgnorth Birth
Post by: wiilams83 on Sunday 20 October 13 17:22 BST (UK)
Thank you will look for  a birth for her Mary Ann Bonnigal in Bridgnorth
Title: Re: Jessie Lloyd Bridgnorth Birth
Post by: groom on Sunday 20 October 13 17:26 BST (UK)
I think you may have to be creative with the spelling of the surname.  ;D
Title: Re: Jessie Lloyd Bridgnorth Birth
Post by: wiilams83 on Sunday 20 October 13 17:28 BST (UK)
Yes I agree as it charges though the years
Title: Re: Jessie Lloyd Bridgnorth Birth
Post by: mazi on Sunday 20 October 13 17:29 BST (UK)
she is on familysearch as Bonigal (one n) in 1861 census,  there is also a marriage in bridgenorth for a mary bonegal. but in 1841.  yet another alternate spelling.

not found a marriage in bridgenorth using Bo*  as the search
Title: Re: Jessie Lloyd Bridgnorth Birth
Post by: wiilams83 on Sunday 20 October 13 17:35 BST (UK)
I appreciate all your help. I will order Mary's second marriage and that will be a start
Title: Re: Jessie Lloyd Bridgnorth Birth
Post by: groom on Sunday 20 October 13 17:37 BST (UK)
1861 Piece: 1849 Folio: 79 Page: 24   
 2, Holly Bush Lane, St Leonards, Bridgnorth
 
  Thomas Bonigal   Head       37     Railway Labourer     Bridgnorth, Shropshire   
  Ann Bonigal   Wife       40                                          Bridgnorth, Shropshire       
  Mary A Bonigal   Daughter          10              Bridgnorth, Shropshire   
  Richard Bonigal   Son          8                          Bridgnorth, Shropshire   
  Thomas Bonigal   Son          6                          Bridgnorth, Shropshire       
  Henry    Bonigal Son          4                                  Bridgnorth, Shropshire       
  Helen   Bonigal Daughter          0 (6M)              Bridgnorth, Shropshire   
  Edward Head   Nephew          2                       Bridgnorth, Shropshire
Title: Re: Jessie Lloyd Bridgnorth Birth
Post by: wiilams83 on Sunday 20 October 13 17:41 BST (UK)
What about marriage to Thomas and Ann in Bridgnorth
Title: Re: Jessie Lloyd Bridgnorth Birth
Post by: groom on Sunday 20 October 13 17:51 BST (UK)
This looks like it - no wonder I couldn't find it on Freebmd. I tried looking for an Ann Head, given that a nephew of that name was with them in 1861

HEAD, Ann
Bridgnorth  Shropshire
1846 Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Volume   18 Page  29

On the same page BUNIGER, Thomas or BUNNAGAR, Thomas

Title: Re: Jessie Lloyd Bridgnorth Birth
Post by: wiilams83 on Sunday 20 October 13 17:55 BST (UK)
Thanks Groom it's a big help
Title: Re: Jessie Lloyd Bridgnorth Birth
Post by: groom on Sunday 20 October 13 17:57 BST (UK)
Possible baptism of Ann Head from Familysearch


Anne Head
13 Dec 1821
St. Mary Magdalene's, Bridgnorth, Shropshire

Parents Edward and Anne
Title: Re: Jessie Lloyd Bridgnorth Birth
Post by: wiilams83 on Sunday 20 October 13 18:00 BST (UK)
What about Charles Lloyd husband to Mary
Title: Re: Jessie Lloyd Bridgnorth Birth
Post by: mazi on Sunday 20 October 13 18:10 BST (UK)
Mary Ann Bunegar  March quarter 1851 bridgnorth?
Title: Re: Jessie Lloyd Bridgnorth Birth
Post by: groom on Sunday 20 October 13 18:13 BST (UK)
Charles is slightly harder as there are two born about the right time

March 1856
Lloyd    Charles Benjamin        Kidderminster    6c   249

March 1857
Lloyd    Charles        Kidderminster    6c   254

Once you get the name of his father from the marriage certificate we can be sure we are following the correct family.
Title: Re: Jessie Lloyd Bridgnorth Birth
Post by: wiilams83 on Sunday 20 October 13 18:17 BST (UK)
You mean from his second marriage and  mazi what are the birth details for Mary Ann please
Title: Re: Jessie Lloyd Bridgnorth Birth
Post by: groom on Sunday 20 October 13 18:25 BST (UK)
In 1871 there is a Charles Lloyd aged 16 a servant born Barnston, Shropshire, England working for a Henry Dorrell and his family. This could be him as the 1891 says Bearstone.
RG10; Piece: 3040; Folio: 37; Page: 7
Title: Re: Jessie Lloyd Bridgnorth Birth
Post by: mazi on Sunday 20 October 13 18:33 BST (UK)
mary ann  is from freebmd, that is all you get, I searched for all the mary ann's,  without a surname born bridgnorth 1850 1852, I have not looked on familysearch for a baptism.

mike
Title: Re: Jessie Lloyd Bridgnorth Birth
Post by: keyboard86 on Sunday 20 October 13 18:44 BST (UK)
In 1871 there is a Charles Lloyd aged 16 a servant born Barnston, Shropshire, England working for a Henry Dorrell and his family. This could be him as the 1891 says Bearstone.
RG10; Piece: 3040; Folio: 37; Page: 7

In 1901 b c 1854 Burnston
RG13/2675/49/1
Keyboard86

PS Google Maps suggest Bearstone
Title: Re: Jessie Lloyd Bridgnorth Birth
Post by: mazi on Sunday 20 October 13 19:38 BST (UK)
I have searched all the Mary Ann  no surname  to Smith marriages 1866-1884 in Shropshire which includes all the adjoining Staffordshire districts in its results, no mary ann with a likely surname there.
I am cross-eyed  ;D ;D ;D
anyone got any other thoughts
Title: Re: Jessie Lloyd Bridgnorth Birth
Post by: groom on Sunday 20 October 13 19:56 BST (UK)
What about the one I found earlier?


Mary Ann Bonnagale
Oct-Nov-Dec 1868
Kensington London
Volume Number:   1a  Page Number:   173

On the same page James Smith
Title: Re: Jessie Lloyd Bridgnorth Birth
Post by: keyboard86 on Sunday 20 October 13 20:00 BST (UK)
Hi is this Jessie in 1891?

Charles 36 b Bearstone
Mary 40
Henry 17
Charles 12
William 10
Jessie 7
Louisa 1
Residing at Lower Penn
Census ref RG12/2225/120/5

Hi I do not know if anyone has looked for family in 1881 but their is this one:-

Charles Lloyd 24 occ Carter at Brewery b Welham Bridge Shropshire
Mary 30 b Bridgnorth
Lucy 11 b Acton, London, Middx
Harry 6 b Bridgnorth
Ellen 4 b Arley
Charles 2 b Great Bridge
Residing at 39, Cartway, Bridgnorth
Census ref RG11/2630/49/27
Keyboard86

Title: Re: Jessie Lloyd Bridgnorth Birth
Post by: groom on Sunday 20 October 13 20:08 BST (UK)
Interesting if Lucy 11 was born in Acton, London, Middx

That fits with them being and marrying in London in 1868.
Title: Re: Jessie Lloyd Bridgnorth Birth
Post by: Mr Gwynne Chadwick on Sunday 20 October 13 20:28 BST (UK)
Hi,

Some details of that marriage in Bridgnorth;
At St. Mary's Church on 15 November 1846.

Thomas BUNNAGAR, Full age, Single, a Labourer of New Town, Bridgnorth.
His Father was Richard BUNNAGAR, a Labourer.               
to
Ann HEAD, Full age, Single, of East Castle St, Bridgnorth.
Her Father was Edward HEAD, a Tailor.               

Gwynne
Title: Re: Jessie Lloyd Bridgnorth Birth
Post by: wiilams83 on Sunday 20 October 13 20:36 BST (UK)
Thank you Gwynne
Title: Re: Jessie Lloyd Bridgnorth Birth
Post by: mazi on Sunday 20 October 13 20:52 BST (UK)
What about the one I found earlier?


Mary Ann Bonnagale
Oct-Nov-Dec 1868
Kensington London
Volume Number:   1a  Page Number:   173

On the same page James Smith

must learn to rtbt  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Jessie Lloyd Bridgnorth Birth
Post by: Mr Gwynne Chadwick on Sunday 20 October 13 21:01 BST (UK)
Hi,

If you let me have a list of the births, marriages and deaths of interest to you that took place in Bridgnorth, I'll try to check the Church Registers for you.

Gwynne
Title: Re: Jessie Lloyd Bridgnorth Birth
Post by: keyboard86 on Sunday 20 October 13 21:05 BST (UK)
Hi all sticking with Lucy in 1871:-

Mary Smifh 22 wife b Bridgnorth,Shropshire
Lucy 1 b  London, Middlesex
Residing at New Town, Bridgnorth
Census ref RG10/2742/87/16
Keyboard86
Title: Re: Jessie Lloyd Bridgnorth Birth
Post by: wiilams83 on Sunday 20 October 13 21:12 BST (UK)
Thank u Gwynne
Title: Re: Jessie Lloyd Bridgnorth Birth
Post by: keyboard86 on Monday 21 October 13 00:15 BST (UK)
In 1871 there is a Charles Lloyd aged 16 a servant born Barnston, Shropshire, England working for a Henry Dorrell and his family. This could be him as the 1891 says Bearstone.
RG10; Piece: 3040; Folio: 37; Page: 7

In 1901 b c 1854 Burnston
RG13/2675/49/1
Keyboard86

PS Google Maps suggest Bearstone

Hi all, this is the 1901 for Jessie Lloyd any BMDs or advancements?

Charles 47:occ Farm Lab b Burnston
Mary Ann 49 b Bridgnorth
Charles 22 b Great Bridge
William 20 b Bridgnorth
Jessie 17 b Bridgnorth
Louisa 11 b Lower Penn
Mary Ann 9 b Langley
Frederic 7 b Wolverhampton
Bertie 4 b Wolverhampton
Residing 200, Great Brickkiln Street, Wolverhampton
Keyboard86

Title: Re: Jessie Lloyd Bridgnorth Birth
Post by: MMC 41 on Wednesday 16 November 16 18:19 GMT (UK)
Hello, I'm new to RootsChat, but I am trying to fill in gaps for my family tree. Bonnigal is my maternal line, Elsie May Bonnigal was my grandmother born 1898. I happen to see the discussion re Jesse Lloyd  so she would be related to Charles Lloyd who was my Great Aunt Mary Ann's second husband. Mary Ann's brother Henry was my Great Grandfather. If there is anyone who can add to my Bonnigal info. I would be very grateful. Thank you.