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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: Tearose on Tuesday 22 October 13 10:39 BST (UK)
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Just a general (ish) question.
Records must of been held of the children that were orphaned out during the war ??
Are these records obtainable ? If so where ?
Thanks in advance :)
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If it was formal adoption, as seems likely, then they will be held at the GRO?
See: https://www.gov.uk/adoption-records/accessing-your-birth-records
But, they won't be easy to get hold of!
If you are a relative, then get your name on the Adoption Contact Register. ;D
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As there would have been quite a few of them ,I think a lot were informally looked after by family members.Aunties ,Uncles and grandparents.Not many official adoptions took place unless they were babies.
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You could ask the London Metropolitan Archives
http://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/things-to-do/visiting-the-city/archives-and-city-history/london-metropolitan-archives/Documents/visitor-information/2012-adoption-in-care-guidelines-for-enquirers.pdf
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This is in regards to my mum, who was sent to Wales during the war and eventually did come back to London, would there be some sort of register for that ? She was not adopted.
Thanks
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That happened to nearly all children who lived in towns and cities,it was called evacuation.
I don't think any records survive of it- but I stand to be corrected on that.
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Yep thats the one, I just wondered if there were any records. My mum cannot remember much just that she was sent off to Wales, as well of hundreds of others :'(
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So she wasn't orphaned as you suggested in the first post?
If she went with her school, you 'may' be lucky'
http://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/things-to-do/visiting-the-city/archives-and-city-history/london-metropolitan-archives/Documents/visitor-information/32-the-evacuation-of-children-from-the-county-of-london-during-the-second-world-war.pdf
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No sorry got my words mixed up ::)
She was evacuated.
I'll check out the link thanks.
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Maybe it would be best to change the title of the thread too?
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Oops yeah thanks :)
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How do I do that ???
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I've had to do it for you as your topic is more than 24 hours old.
If you need to make an amendment for spelling mistakes etc, you click on the modify button at the top of the post. This option is only available for 24 hours though.
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So, there is really no way of finding out anything?
She really cannot remember anything?
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What year was your mum born and is she still alive?
I was going to ask if you've found her on the 1939 register (but only if she's no longer with us or born before 1916) http://www.findmypast.co.uk/1939register
A few children had been evacuated by the end of Sept 39 in preparation for the war.
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Have you tried school records ? I know that their teachers went with them and stayed awhile to see the children settled.
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If she is still alive can she remember names of who she stayed with, if sufficiently unusual you might find them on 1939 register. Or other children evacuated with her (if deceased they won't be redacted). I presume you have looked for her on 1939, some people still living have been known to slip through the net.
Jane :-)
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I was evacuated during the war, immediately after the Christmas 1940 blitz on Manchester.
I was three and a half years old.
My parents took me to my father`s cousin and his wife , in Shropshire.
I stayed with them a short while but they (after many years childless marriage)
were expecting their first and only child. I ,temporarily,went to my grandmother`s sister and eventually to other people who were so good and kind to me.
I stayed the rest of the war with them.
I had a lovely time and am still in contact with their daughter.
I went to school and am on the register of that time.
unless you have some idea of where she stayed it will be very difficult.
Viktoria,
then went to my grandmother`s sister for a short while
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Yes she is still alive and kicking. All that she can remember is that she went with her brother, and it was somewhere near the Brecon Beacons??
Her brother has died and I've tried putting him on the 1939 but no luck?
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Her brother has died and I've tried putting him on the 1939 but no luck?
When did he die though?
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1993
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Do you have or have access to his death certificate ......... might yield something.
Joe
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The 1939 register was updated with marriages and deaths up to 1991.
If you find someone (I did this with both my mum and dad) that you know has already died you can ask for their record to be opened,on production of a death cert.
Otherwise they are gradually opening closed records of those who have died in more recent years and those who would now be over 100 years old.
Carol
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Do you have or have access to his death certificate ......... might yield something.
Joe
I'm not sure why his 1993 death cert would have anything about where he was evacuated to in WW2?
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I was on the hope of finding out where he may have been sent to, as they went together??
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Do you have or have access to his death certificate ......... might yield something.
Joe
I'm not sure why his 1993 death cert would have anything about where he was evacuated to in WW2?
You are probably right ........... I don't know why I asked.
Joe
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;D ;D ;D
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Do you have or have access to his death certificate ......... might yield something.
Joe
I'm not sure why his 1993 death cert would have anything about where he was evacuated to in WW2?
You are probably right ........... I don't know why I asked.
Joe
;D
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Her brother has died and I've tried putting him on the 1939 but no luck?
Do you mean you've tried searching for him on the 1939 or you've requested his record be opened (for which you'll need to submit a copy of his 1993 death cert)? If you've not asked for his record to be opened then they probably don't know he's no longer alive. Until someone provides proof to the contrary his record will remain redacted until the DoB given on the 1939 register is more than 100 years ago.
If you have submitted proof of death and his record hasn't been opened it's possible they weren't able to match the details on the death cert with an entry on the 1939. I don't know what the procedure is in this case. I don't know if people did get missed off for any reason (they did on censuses). Might he have been known by another name? Perhaps his DoB on the 1939 register is unclear or even wrong (given that he presumably wasn't with his parents). If you can narrow down where FindMyPast should be looking for him in 1939 (Brecon Beacons area, with sister ... whose DoB was ...) they might manage to find him and open his record. When they do you'll probably find a redacted line either above or below his entry and that will be your mother.
My own mother knew the town where she was evacuated to but unfortunately it had quite a sizeable population and the surname of her hosts was a common one. But she could remember a nearby parade of shops and some of their names, through that I was able to establish the address she almost certainly stayed at for just six weeks prior to returning to London. My father was evacuated close enough to London that he and his brother would come home for weekends ??? ::). He recalls witnessing a doodlebug landing nearby so presumably it was only the eccentric English for whom war stopped at weekends!
Jane :-)
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I'll try talking again to her, but I do not hold out much hope!
Thanks everyone for your comments x
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Have you found her parents ( your grandparents) on the 1939 register to see if there are closed records with them, which would suggest the children were still at home when it was taken. From that you would get their address and might be able to work out where your mother would have gone to school if she can't remember.
Once you have that, contact the school and ask if their log book shows where the children were evacuated to. The log books of the school where I taught gave a lot of detail about evacuation of the children, as they all went to the same area (Shoreham in Sussex). Then once you have the town or at least area they went to, contact local schools and ask if they have the admission registers for 1939 or if their log books give details of evacuees.
ADDED: If contacting schools I would leave it a few weeks, as most schools are too busy in the first few weeks of the new school year to deal with this sort of enquiry.
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Local newspapers may have carried some basic details of when and where school parties went, but unlikely to name children other than any who did something newsworthy. You'll probably have to visit the local studies library for where she lived, especially if this is London which the big newspaper digitisation project seems to be getting a wide berth.
Whilst there it may also be worth looking at local education committee minutes which I'd expect to record making arrangements. Again, they're unlikely to have complete lists of pupils, but may record teachers involved.
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Would it be easier to go straight to the school, although I dont have the details at the moment?
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Would it be easier to go straight to the school, although I dont have the details at the moment?
This is quite an old post, did you try any of the ways suggested as I thought the whole point is you didn’t know the school or have you since discovered the name?
Obviously the easiest way is to contact the school. However, I wouldn’t do that at the moment as they will be far too busy with other things.
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Yes I have tried the above recommendations but have drawn blanks....
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Since the onset of this post my mum has sadly died
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Commiserations on the death of your mother
Thanks for posting this topic Tearose
It may well help other people searching for the story of their evacuees .
my mother and her sisters were evacuated from Liverpool to Wales .
My grandmother actually stayed with her youngest daughter probably with relatives and the other girls were in different houses
But 1939 register must have.been taken before they were evacuated as there are 3 blacked out lines with their parents in Wallasey.