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Title: The Rev Evan Richards in Bangor and Llewelyn
Post by: mlrsuperstar on Monday 28 October 13 15:42 GMT (UK)
The Rev Evan Richards was publicly thanked by Prime Minister Sir Wilfred Laurier for the active part he had taken in the formation of the Grain Growers association He later went to the Welsh colony of Bangor and Llewelyn.
Evan was an Independent Chapel minister from Wales. He was in Canada around 1905 -1914
If anyone has any info on him  i would be very grateful
Title: Re: The Rev Evan Richards in Bangor and Llewelyn
Post by: Lisa in California on Tuesday 29 October 13 01:16 GMT (UK)
Could this be the correct man?
Sailing from Glasgow, Scotland on 18 September 1909, destination Montreal, Canada, on board the Grampian
Evan Richards, Missionary, age 24.  His age is shown in the "Scotch" column.
Winnipeg, Manitoba (final destination perhaps?)
Title: Re: The Rev Evan Richards in Bangor and Llewelyn
Post by: Lisa in California on Tuesday 29 October 13 01:26 GMT (UK)
Also (different source than above):
Departing Glasgow, Scotland and arriving Quebec on 25 September 1909 on board the Grampian:
Evan Richards, age 24, Single, born Wales, destination Winnipeg, Manitoba, occupation: Evangelist; Presbyterian
Entries directly above Evan:
Harry White, age 28, Single, born England, Missionary, Church of England
George W. Jones, age 25, Single, born Wales, Evangelist (cannot read his religious denomination, perhaps Protestant?)
Both going to Winnipeg
Title: Re: The Rev Evan Richards in Bangor and Llewelyn
Post by: Jacquie in Canada on Tuesday 29 October 13 02:15 GMT (UK)
He was in Canada around 1905 -1914

There is a Canadian incoming passenger list which has Evan Richards, 45, clergyman arriving in Vancouver, British Columbia on the Aorangi on either 31 Jan or 1 Feb 1929 (there are two identical passenger lists but with the different dates). It indicates he was in Canada between 1909 and 1911 in Bangor, Saskatchewan. He is listed as being a widower and his destination was England via New York. It appears he may have stayed in the US rather than going to England however.

There is a border crossing document for a Rev Evan Richards, 45, who crossed the border into Canada on 1 Oct 1930. His last address was listed as Miners Mills, Pennsylvania and he was destined to a church in Hamilton, Ontario. He is listed as a widower. There is an entry in the 1930 US census for Evan Richards in Wilkes-Barre, Luzerne County, Pennsylvania who was a being a 44 year old clergyman born in Wales (parents born in Wales) who emigrated to the US in 1929. He is listed with a wife named Gladys who was 31 and born in England. Her age at the time of her first marriage was 31 so it appears they hadn't been married long at the time the census was taken. I'm trying to find whether Gladys after that since he did, as I mentioned already, list himself as a widower a few months later.

There is an US immigration information sheet for a Rev Evan Richards, 61, who flew to New York from London arriving 6 Oct 1946 which indicates he was destined to a church in Gilby, North Dakota. I also found a newspaper mention of his being in Gilby in 1944 as well as two border crossing documents dated 2 Sep 1948 and 5 Sep 1952 which had him returning to Gilby. The one from 1948 had his marital status listed as divorced so that may explain what happened to Gladys.

There is an incoming UK passenger list which has Evan Richards, born 8 May 1885 arriving on the Queen Elizabeth which had departed from New York and arrived in Southampton on 6 Aug 1956. He is listed as being a priest and his address in the UK was Terherberty. It also said he intended on staying in Wales indefinitely.

I have also found some references to Rev Evan Richards being in Saskatchewan in the mid- to late 1930s officiating at weddings and funerals as well.

Jacquie
Title: Re: The Rev Evan Richards in Bangor and Llewelyn
Post by: mlrsuperstar on Tuesday 29 October 13 10:03 GMT (UK)
To Lisa and Jacquie
What can  I say .Your help has left me knocked out. You both have the right man.
If it's not too much trouble after all you've done for me can you please let me have the sources to add to my research  . Jacquie I can't believe it Treherbert is only about 10 miles as the crow flies from me !!!! I wonder if that's where he ended up, But that's my part of the world !

Regards and many thanks to you both for all your help
Mike
 
Title: Re: The Rev Evan Richards in Bangor and Llewelyn
Post by: Lisa in California on Tuesday 29 October 13 16:03 GMT (UK)
Hi Mike:

The source for the 25 Sep 1909 arrival was the Canadian Passenger Lists, Roll T-4763
18 Sep 1909 departure was from the UK Outward Passenger Lists, Official No. 184230
Title: Re: The Rev Evan Richards in Bangor and Llewelyn
Post by: mlrsuperstar on Tuesday 29 October 13 16:08 GMT (UK)
Hi Lisa,

Many thanks for your help ,your very kind.

Regards

Mike
Title: Re: The Rev Evan Richards in Bangor and Llewelyn
Post by: Lisa in California on Tuesday 29 October 13 16:17 GMT (UK)
You're welcome, Mike.

One of the sources that Jacquie may have used is:
http://peel.library.ualberta.ca/index.html
They have directories, newspapers, images, etc.

I will get image information for Jacquie's posting.
Title: Re: The Rev Evan Richards in Bangor and Llewelyn
Post by: mlrsuperstar on Tuesday 29 October 13 16:21 GMT (UK)
Hi Lisa,

Thanks again, Maybe one day I can help you.

I'm in South Wales

Regards

Mike
Title: Re: The Rev Evan Richards in Bangor and Llewelyn
Post by: Lisa in California on Tuesday 29 October 13 16:28 GMT (UK)
Canadian incoming passenger list which has Evan Richards, 45, clergyman arriving in Vancouver, British Columbia on the Aorangi on either 31 Jan or 1 Feb 1929
   Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935, Roll T-14891

Border crossing document for a Rev Evan Richards, 45, who crossed the border into Canada on 1 Oct 1930.
  Border Crossings: From U.S. to Canada, 1908-1935

1930 US census for Evan Richards in Wilkes-Barre, Luzerne County, Pennsylvania who was a being a 44 year old clergyman born in Wales (parents born in Wales) who emigrated to the US in 1929.
  1930 Wilkes-Barre, Luzerne, PA Census

Jacquie

You may be able to find census information/details on FamilySearch.  If you haven't yet tried, you might try internet searches for Rev. Richards, typing his name and trying things such as Wilkes-Barre, Vancouver, etc.  There may be additional information about him on the internet.

I can add the other entries later today if you like, unless someone else adds them before I return?  (I have to leave for a bit now)
Title: Re: The Rev Evan Richards in Bangor and Llewelyn
Post by: Lisa in California on Tuesday 29 October 13 16:33 GMT (UK)
Hi Mike:

Thank you for the very kind offer.  So far, I've only found Irish and English ancestors (and with the amazing help of other RootsChatters, an ancestor living in France); no Welsh ancestors.   ;)
Title: Re: The Rev Evan Richards in Bangor and Llewelyn
Post by: Lisa in California on Tuesday 29 October 13 22:31 GMT (UK)

There is an US immigration information sheet for a Rev Evan Richards, 61, who flew to New York from London arriving 6 Oct 1946 which indicates he was destined to a church in Gilby, North Dakota.
  "Information Sheet" shown under New York Passenger Lists
  He was 5' 6", fair complexion, grey eyes and hair. Single.  Clergyman.  He was "returning home" (to North Dakota).  Place of birth: Ystradyrfodyg

UK passenger list which has Evan Richards, born 8 May 1885 arriving on the Queen Elizabeth which had departed from New York and arrived in Southampton on 6 Aug 1956.
  Information obtained from the UK, Incoming Passenger Lists.  Official No. 7601/01
Jacquie
Title: Re: The Rev Evan Richards in Bangor and Llewelyn
Post by: Lisa in California on Tuesday 29 October 13 23:27 GMT (UK)
This may have already been mentioned, but including it, in case it hasn't been:
Wednesday, October 11, 1944, The Bismarck Tribune
There was a meeting of the North Dakota synod (Presbyterian Church).  Guests at the luncheon included Rev. Evan Richards (of Gilby), as well as three other people.
Title: Re: The Rev Evan Richards in Bangor and Llewelyn
Post by: Lisa in California on Wednesday 30 October 13 01:47 GMT (UK)
New York Passenger List
Sailing from Southampton, England to New York, arriving 21 June 1929, on board the Berengaria
Evan Richards, age 44, Single, Clergyman, born Ystradytodwg, Wales.  Last permanent address was Sydney, Australia.
Final destination:  Sydney, N.S.W.  In the U.S. before?:  Yes, 1928, Tourist.
Joining relative or friend:  c/o Thomas Cook, 5th Av., New York City; Touring; 2 months.
5' 7", fresh complexion, grey eyes and hair.  Will send a pm with a couple of other details.
Title: Re: The Rev Evan Richards in Bangor and Llewelyn
Post by: Jacquie in Canada on Wednesday 30 October 13 05:08 GMT (UK)
The North Dakota State University Archives has a searchable index of naturalization records at this link: http://library.ndsu.edu/db/naturalization/ (http://library.ndsu.edu/db/naturalization/)
Evan Richards filed a Declaration of Intent on 12 Feb 1945. There are instructions at the link on how to order a copy. It costs $5 US and they will email it to you.

Good job on the sources, Lisa. The only one I can add is the references to Evan officiating at weddings and funerals in Saskatchewan in the 1930s came from various announcements in the Winnipeg Free Press.

Jacquie
Title: Re: The Rev Evan Richards in Bangor and Llewelyn
Post by: mlrsuperstar on Wednesday 30 October 13 14:41 GMT (UK)
Hi Both,
This is going to sound odd , after saying that all these posts are for 1(ONE) Rev Evan Richards,
 it could be that there are two !!! both Welsh both with same birthday and both spending time in Canada and the U.S. BUT only one spending time in Australia.
As you have seen in some items he is married,divorced,widowed and single.!! I haven't done a timeline but just on face value something isn't right.
Regards
Mike
Title: Re: The Rev Evan Richards in Bangor and Llewelyn
Post by: Lisa in California on Wednesday 30 October 13 15:21 GMT (UK)
It would be interesting to see a brief timeline.  There does seem to be something unusual, but perhaps it had something to do with his work?  Or, maybe most of the information was about one person, with one or two of the other records about a totally different person?
Title: Re: The Rev Evan Richards in Bangor and Llewelyn
Post by: Jacquie in Canada on Thursday 31 October 13 05:32 GMT (UK)
As you have seen in some items he is married,divorced,widowed and single.!! I haven't done a timeline but just on face value something isn't right.

It could be that he just didn't want to refer to himself as being divorced so he said he was either a widower or single.

Here's a timeline that connects the information found:

The 1929 passenger list  for the Aorangi (from Australia to Canada) confirms this is the same Evan Richards who arrived in Canada in 1909. It also says he was born in Ystradytodwg, Wales.

The 1929 passenger list for the Berengaria (from Southampton to New York) has his last permanent residence as Sydney and his birth place as Ystradytodwg  which matches the other 1929 passenger list.

The 1929 Berengaria passenger list and the 1946 immigration information sheet when he was returning to Gilby give almost identical information (grey eyes, grey hair, born Ystradytodwg with the only difference being an inch in height).

I re-checked the 1930 border crossing document when he was going to Hamilton, Ontario from Pennsylvania and it indicates he had arrived in New York on the Berengaria in Jun 1929 so that connects him to the other passenger list documents.

The Evan Richards mentioned in the Winnipeg Free Press in the mid- to late 30s is in Bangor and Llewelyn  where a Rev Evan Richards was from 1909-1911.


Joining relative or friend:  c/o Thomas Cook, 5th Av., New York City; Touring; 2 months.

Since he says he was touring, Iím thinking this is Thomas Cook the travel agency and not a friend/relative.
Title: Re: The Rev Evan Richards in Bangor and Llewelyn
Post by: bbart on Friday 01 November 13 18:36 GMT (UK)
There is a possible marriage listed in Montreal, in the United Church Calvary, 1929.

The writing is decent, but I've added square brackets where I'm not sure if I'm reading it correctly:

Marriage 
Evan Richards, widower, of legal age, Minister of [Miners Mills ?] , Penn, USA
son of [Morgan] Richards and his wife Mary Evans, and Gladys Winifred [Beanes], spinster, of
legal age, Bookkeeper of Bath, England, daughter of Henry Beanes and his wife [Sarah] Ann Workman
were married by me by authority of
License 2619 this fifth day of November
of the year nineteen hundread and twentynine in the presence of the
[subscribing ?] witnesses.

Contracting Parties  Evan Richards
                                 Gladys Winifred Beanes

Witnesses  M Roberts
                    Mrs Moses Roberts
                    Mrs Arthur Hughes

(signature of) T. W. Jones, Minister


If this seems to match your Evan Richards, I can send the image if you pm me an email.


Edited to add:  This Evan and Gladys appear to match a couple in the 1930 Penn. USA census, which asks for current age, and age at first marriage.  Gladys is 31, with an age of 31 at her first marriage, whereas Evan is 44, with an age at first marriage of 26 yrs.
Title: Re: The Rev Evan Richards in Bangor and Llewelyn
Post by: mlrsuperstar on Sunday 28 December 14 11:03 GMT (UK)
Hi Everyone,
Thanks for all the help so far on this one. I am asking a further question regarding the Rev Evan Richards.
He crossed the border from Canada to the U.S. at Loring ,Montana on the 4th of August 1938.
Amongst those that accompanied him was  a wife by the name of Maggie,aged 39.
This is the only reference I have for this lady. I wonder what became of her ???
when did they marry ? when did she die ? Who was she ?
Can anyone help ?
Title: Re: The Rev Evan Richards in Bangor and Llewelyn
Post by: manawakian on Monday 29 December 14 18:12 GMT (UK)
Interesting character, the way he moves around.  Two more sightings:
1925 Australian Voter's List Church St. Silkstone Ipswich clergyman, no wife found.
6 May 1929 arrived London aboard OARONIA from NY age 43 clergyman destination 82 Severn Rd Cardiff Wales.  He had declared his intention to make this trip when he arrived in Vancouver aboard the AORANGI.
Title: Re: The Rev Evan Richards in Bangor and Llewelyn
Post by: mlrsuperstar on Monday 29 December 14 18:54 GMT (UK)
Yes all correct manawakin and lots more in fact Jan 1923 until late 1920's in Australia.  But the information I am looking for is a marržage to  a "Maggie" in the late 1930's. And what became of her......
Title: Re: The Rev Evan Richards in Bangor and Llewelyn
Post by: manawakian on Monday 29 December 14 22:18 GMT (UK)
The 1940 Canadian Voters List has Evan Richards, minister, living in Kelso Saskatchewan, no wife.  Kelso is now a tiny hamlet with a population less than 50 people.  If this is the right Evan Richards he seems to have lost Maggie since crossing the border at Loring Montana 2 years earlier.
Title: Re: The Rev Evan Richards in Bangor and Llewelyn
Post by: mlrsuperstar on Monday 29 December 14 23:14 GMT (UK)
Thanks manawakian. Your right, It narrows down the time that has to be
searched for Maggie, Canadian records being what they are we will not see
Any until about 2022. I have looked for her in Canadian newspapers to no avail .
I dont seem to have much luck with American newspapers either regarding Maggie.
Evan Richards preached in Gilby North Dakota after leaving Canada In the early 1940's.
I got the Kelso info from the church authorities, but I did not realise he was on his own....,
 Thanks again for your help it's much appreciated.


Title: Re: The Rev Evan Richards in Bangor and Llewelyn
Post by: mlrsuperstar on Thursday 01 November 18 20:43 GMT (UK)
Hi every one,
It is five years later . the Maggie mystery is still unsolved Saskatchewan Health records want C$25 just to look for a marriage record and C$55 for a genealogy copy if they find it. They have yet to complete computer indexing if marriages and then it will be only available after 75 years..
You would have thought if a marriage had taken place it would have made the papers......
Now to the man Evan Richards.....he was a compulsive liar and philanderer. More and more comes to light that one of the other "missionaries" he travelled to Canada with originally in 1909 was also of suspect character. All those records that confused us 5 years ago are a testimony of how he tried to throw his contemporaries off his trail.
Once again thanks to everyone who helped 5 years ago and yes all your efforts were accurate. Wales ,England,Australia, Canada and the USA he moved around to avoid trouble.
SO....what happened to Maggie ? Anyone ??
Title: Re: The Rev Evan Richards in Bangor and Llewelyn married Maggie ,Where is she ?
Post by: mlrsuperstar on Friday 02 November 18 10:46 GMT (UK)
There is a possible marriage listed in Montreal, in the United Church Calvary, 1929.

The writing is decent, but I've added square brackets where I'm not sure if I'm reading it correctly:

Marriage 
Evan Richards, widower, of legal age, Minister of [Miners Mills ?] , Penn, USA
son of [Morgan] Richards and his wife Mary Evans, and Gladys Winifred [Beanes], spinster, of
legal age, Bookkeeper of Bath, England, daughter of Henry Beanes and his wife [Sarah] Ann Workman
were married by me by authority of
License 2619 this fifth day of November
of the year nineteen hundread and twentynine in the presence of the
[subscribing ?] witnesses.

Contracting Parties  Evan Richards
                                 Gladys Winifred Beanes

Witnesses  M Roberts
                    Mrs Moses Roberts
                    Mrs Arthur Hughes

(signature of) T. W. Jones, Minister


If this seems to match your Evan Richards, I can send the image if you pm me an email.


Edited to add:  This Evan and Gladys appear to match a couple in the 1930 Penn. USA census, which asks for current age, and age at first marriage.  Gladys is 31, with an age of 31 at her first marriage, whereas Evan is 44, with an age at first marriage of 26 yrs.
Title: Re: The Rev Evan Richards in Bangor and Llewelyn
Post by: manawakian on Friday 02 November 18 13:00 GMT (UK)
1935 Canada Voters List has him in High Prairie, Alberta.  No wife listed, maybe he married in Alberta between 1935 and 1938.  Alberta marriage records for that period can be searched online by a tedious process.
Title: Re: The Rev Evan Richards in Bangor and Llewelyn
Post by: polarbear on Friday 02 November 18 15:46 GMT (UK)
Can't help with Maggie but here is a second marriage for Gladys...

At Boyleton Massachusetts 08 Aug 1938, Gladys Winifred (Beames) Richards age 39 of Wilkes Barre Pa to Albert Arthur Stocke/Stocks age 60 also of Wilkes Barre Pa. The record doesn't indicate whether Gladys was widowed or divorced, just that it is her second marriage. Her parents Henry and Sarah Ann (Workman).

1940 census has name as Stocks, also possible death index.

PB
Title: Re: The Rev Evan Richards in Bangor and Llewelyn
Post by: mlrsuperstar on Friday 02 November 18 16:33 GMT (UK)
Thanks everyone all your kind help is appreciated.
Title: Re: The Rev Evan Richards in Bangor and Llewelyn
Post by: RJ137 on Saturday 03 November 18 15:55 GMT (UK)
Can't help with Maggie but here is a second marriage for Gladys...

At Boyleton Massachusetts 08 Aug 1938, Gladys Winifred (Beames) Richards age 39 of Wilkes Barre Pa to Albert Arthur Stocke/Stocks age 60 also of Wilkes Barre Pa. The record doesn't indicate whether Gladys was widowed or divorced, just that it is her second marriage. Her parents Henry and Sarah Ann (Workman).

1940 census has name as Stocks, also possible death index.

PB

The newspaper articles about the marriage has Albert's last name as "Stocks". They also refer to Gladys as "Miss" Gladys Winifred Beames


Marriage:
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/25071801/stocksbeames_marriage/
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/25071844/stocksbeames_marriage_1938/

Albert died in 1952

Obit: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/25071914/albert_a_stocks_obit_1952/

Gladys died in 1991.

SSDI: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VM5H-CPB

Citizens' Voice
Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania
Monday, September 23, 1991 - Page 39

Letters of Testamentary on tha Estate of Gladys Winifred Stocks, deceased, who died August 11, 1991, late of Wilkes-Barre, Luzerne County, Pa., having been granted, all persons indebted to said Estate ore requested to make payment and those having claims to present the some without delay to John Nesavkh and Stewart Harry, Co-Executors,...
Title: Re: The Rev Evan Richards in Bangor and Llewelyn
Post by: mlrsuperstar on Saturday 03 November 18 19:00 GMT (UK)
Thank you RJ I had some of this but the newspaper articles I did not. Also well spotted on the  "Miss " Gladys Beams  no mention of a previous marriage or divorce  !

Thank you for all your hard work .
Regards

MLR