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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Jen10 on Saturday 02 November 13 07:43 GMT (UK)
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Hi all,
I have come to a dead end on a couple and would love some help on any of their births/deaths/marriage/parents/immigration.
Thomas Cannon and Mary Louisa Young
They had 2 children, both born in Launceston.
Thomas Charles, born in 1893
Henry John, born in 1895
I assume they would have been born around the 1870 mark.
I believe that Thomas Charles married Vera Tyler in 1911. Henry John married Elvie Grant in 1916. The lovely people here helped me with Henry and Elvie recently (you can see I haven't managed to get too far on this side!).
Thanks so much in advance!
Jen
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Wonder if her name was Mary Jane, not Mary Louisa.
This 1922 Electoral Roll shows Mary Jane CANNON at 8 Margaret Street Launceston West.
With Thomas CANNON , a fisherman.
Thomas Charles CANNON also a fisherman is at 10 Margaret Street.
With him is Veronica Olive CANNON.
John CANNON, the chairmaker, seems to be at 6 Margaret Street.
I am not good at Tasmanian research, but others will help more effectively than me!
Sue
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Previous thread
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=666021.msg5112241#msg5112241
Cando
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Thanks very much Sue. I will look into those. Everywhere I have looked seems to be a dead end.
Should I have put this on the bottom of the previous thread?
Jen
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Thanks very much Sue. I will look into those. Everywhere I have looked seems to be a dead end.
Should I have put this on the bottom of the previous thread?
Jen
Not necessarily at all ;D
The link Cando provided to your previous CANNON search just saves people from heading off after Henry John and Elvie about whom you already have information.
Sue
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Some speculative research however there is no marriage registered for Thomas CANNON and Mary Louisa YOUNG in Tasmania.
Births
CANNON Thomas
Father George Mother Mary DEAN
9 Mar 1850
At Launceston Reg#2656/1850
YOUNG Mary Louisa
Father John Mother Sarah SPENCER
25 Oct 1862
At Launceston Reg#410/1862
Death
CANNON Mary
8 Mar 1897
At Beaconsfield 36 years Reg#13/1897
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0wqc/
Launceston Examiner 10 Mar 1897
FUNERAL NOTICE.
The funeral of the late Mrs. Thomas Cannon will leave her late residence, Patterson-street, on Thursday at four o'clock. Friends are invited to attend.- STORRER, Undertaker, St. John-street.
Did Thomas marry again :-\ There is mention of a Thomas with occupation fisherman in the 1890's. Mary Jane is buried at Carr Villa Cemetery, Launceston. Thomas is not buried with her and I can't find a burial record for Mary Louisa or Thomas.
Burial record for Mary Jane at Carr Villa
http://www.launceston.tas.gov.au/lcc/index.php?c=30&burial_record=6009
CANNON Thomas
MILBANKE Mary Jane
8 Jul 1906
At The Manse, York Street Baptist Church, Launceston Reg#883
A possible death
CANNON Thomas
Parents not named
21 Jul 1927
At Lefroy Reg#217
There only appears to be one Thomas CANNON of an age who could have fathered children in the 1890's and that is Thomas who was born 1850.
Marriage
CANNON Thomas 25 years
SMITH Agnes 23 years
12 Mary 1876
At Launceston Reg#512/1876
Birth
CANNON Thomas
Father Thomas Mother Agnes SMITH
22 Nov 1887
At Launceston Reg#688/1887
Death
CANNON Agnes
7 Nov 1889
At Launceston 36 years Reg#441/1889
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0wqb/
Launceston Examiner 8 Nov 1889
CANNON. On 7th November, at her residence, Patterson-street, the beloved wife of Mr. Thomas Cannon, aged 26 years
Funeral Notices
The funeral of the late Mrs. Thos. CANNON will leave her late residence, Patterson-street. On Sunday, the 10th inst., at quarter-past four o'clock. Friends will please accept this Invitation. DOOLAN, Undertaker, Wellington. street.
Mention of Thomas CANNON, fisherman, owner of the boat EDITH in 1886.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0wqd/
Cando
Edit - the 1932 death is a better match for Thomas born 1850.
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Wonder if her name was Mary Jane, not Mary Louisa.
This 1922 Electoral Roll shows Mary Jane CANNON at 8 Margaret Street Launceston West.
With Thomas CANNON , a fisherman.
Thomas Charles CANNON also a fisherman is at 10 Margaret Street.
With him is Veronica Olive CANNON.
John CANNON, the chairmaker, seems to be at 6 Margaret Street.
I am not good at Tasmanian research, but others will help more effectively than me!
Sue
Launceston Examiner, July 1932
OLD-AGE PENSIONER'S DEATH The death of an old-age pensioner named Thomas Cannon took place suddenly in a house In Margaret-street Yesterday afternoon. It is understood that there will not be an inquest. Cannon was aged 83.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/51809903
CANNON-On July 27, 1932 (suddenly), at Launceston, Thomas Cannon, of 96 Elizabeth-street, aged 82 years.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/51809875
96 Elizabeth Street was the address of a grocer and the Capitol Fish Shop.
Debra :)
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CANNON - In memory of my dear Mother, Mary Jane Cannon, who departed this life 14th January, 1927. Ever remembered. Inserted by her loving son, H. J. C.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/51457921
It may be safe to speculate that although Mary Louisa YOUNG was the biological mother of the children, it was Mary Jane who raised them after their mother's early death in 1897. If that is Thomas' second marriage in 1906, the relationship may have started some time before the actual marriage.
Debra :)
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CANNON - In memory of my dear Mother, Mary Jane Cannon, who departed this life 14th January, 1927. Ever remembered. Inserted by her loving son, H. J. C.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/51457921
Debra :)
So perhaps we are back to Henry John CANNON who married Elvie ;D
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Thanks guys! That is amazing!
Since the hints from Sue I had been looking into a few things. I had come up with Thomas, born in 1850 as well. It seems he may have married Agnes Smith, with whom he had a child (Thomas, who died aged about 1). I think that Agnes was the wife that died aged 36.
Then I had thought that he had perhaps married Mary Jane (transcribed incorrectly as Mary Louisa, the mother of the boys?). I did not notice the Mary Jane Milbank. Is it possible he had 3 ladies on the go? Or perhaps there is more than one Thomas.
The electoral rolls seem to point towards Mary Jane and Thomas being the people who died in 1927 and 1932.
The Mary Louisa Young who was born in 1862 appears to have married Bruce Gunn, according to the Tas archives.
Are the Tasmanian Heritage Archives likely to have been mis-transcribed? I think Louisa and Jane are not similar names though!
I am very confused now! I very much appreciate the time you guys have given to help me out. Thank you.
Jen
Edit: Bruce Gunn appears to have been alive and well in the 1900s, however a Bruce Gunn married a Mary Ann Miller in 1900.
How big was Tassie at that time? Is it likely that there were all these people with the same names in Launceston, or would it be a reasonably assumption that they are the same people?
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I had come up with Thomas, born in 1850 as well. It seems he may have married Agnes Smith, with whom he had a child (Thomas, who died aged about 1). I think that Agnes was the wife that died aged 36.
Marriage of Thomas and Agnes
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-35347-7450-74?cc=2125029&wc=M93C-98H:n1251519084
Then I had thought that he had perhaps married Mary Jane (transcribed incorrectly as Mary Louisa, the mother of the boys?). I did not notice the Mary Jane Milbank. Is it possible he had 3 ladies on the go? Or perhaps there is more than one Thomas.
I am not sure what you mean by this? Agnes died in 1889, making Thomas a widower. He then seems to have had a relationship with Mary Louisa YOUNG. She may well have been married to Bruce GUNN which would be why she was unable to marry Thomas. When she died in 1897 he was again a widower and he then married Mary Jane MILBANK(E) in 1906.
Death of Agnes (1889)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-35348-7197-83?cc=2125029&wc=M93C-9N6:n1449487142
Birth of Thomas Charles CANNON (1893)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-35345-8851-41?cc=2125029&wc=M93C-9JD:736059955
The page containing the record of John Charles' birth in 1895 appears to be missing from the images on FamilySearch, or it may be incorrectly placed.
Death of Mary (Louisa) CANNON (1897)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-35347-3089-79?cc=2125029&wc=M93C-9J3:1484518952
Inquest
http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?detail=1&type=Q&id=8743
You would need to purchase the 1906 marriage certificate between Thomas CANNON and Mary Jane MILBANKE but I am confident that it would confirm his age and occupation.
My previous comment: "It may be safe to speculate that although Mary Louisa YOUNG was the biological mother of the children, it was Mary Jane who raised them after their mother's early death in 1897. If that is Thomas' second marriage in 1906, the relationship may have started some time before the actual marriage."
Debra :)
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Thank you so much Debra. Being new to this, I hadn't seen the family search site. It's a great resource!
The link you gave to Mary Louisa's death said that she was born in Hobart, and her age was 36. There is another Mary Louisa Young on the Family Search Site, born in Hobart in 1861, which would make her the perfect candidate - not the same person as the one born in Launceston in 1862 who married Bruce GUNN. This is her: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XT8N-DF8 (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XT8N-DF8)
I originally wondered if perhaps they had made a mistake and written Mary Louisa instead of Mary Jane on the birth records of the children. I didn't even think about Mary Jane Milbanke's marriage to Thomas as being the same Thomas, as I thought that he would be married to Mary Louisa. It seems he didn't have much trouble finding partners! It's all starting to come together now....
I will look into this further! Thanks again for your time in helping me.
Jen
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Hi Jen,
There were two Mary Louisa YOUNGs and both married.
The first is to John Thomas RING/KING in January 1886 at Sheffield. She was aged c23 and was a farmer's daughter. A John YOUNG witnessed the marriage, perhaps her father?
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-35346-12382-75?cc=2125029&wc=M93C-98R:n2061878313
Looking at a baptism for another of John and Sarah YOUNG's children in 1881 at Sheffield the register does confirm that he was a farmer.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-35347-3706-54?cc=2125029&wc=M93C-9N7:n1949252724
This Mary Louisa went on to have a family right through to at least 1898 as far as I can see.
The second Mary Louisa married Bruce GUNN in 1881 at Launceston, she was aged c21 and was an overseer's daughter.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-35347-17108-51?cc=2125029&wc=M93C-98N:n1796659756
The baptism of another child of James and Louisa Ann YOUNG's children at Launceston in 1877 confirms that James was an overseer at HM gaol.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-35349-22113-83?cc=2125029&wc=M93C-9FP:n2043306528
I can only see one child registered to Bruce and Mary Louisa in 1887 and note from the marriage record that Bruce was also a fisherman.
I think that on the balance of probabilities, your Mary Louisa was the daughter of James and Louisa Ann, and she had a relationship with Thomas CANNON while still married to Bruce GUNN.
Debra :)
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Thank you so much for looking these up for me Debra. I really appreciate your time, and it has given me a lot to go on. I am finding out more each day!
Jen
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Hi Jen 10,
I came across the RootsChat website while searching for info on my grandfather Thomas Cannon and on my grandmother Vera Tyler (Cannon) - both deceased.
From your info, I'm 100% sure that I'm the grandson (now aged 69, coincidentally my birthday on the day that I came across your post.).
If you would like to let me know the reason and what you are seeking, I can probably fill you in on a lot of the detail.
I have no reason to register with RootsChat so I'm happy to provide the info by email - email removed by moderator please use the private message function
Best regards,
KEVIN MOORE
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Hi Jen,
The missing page from online BDM's for Launceston 1895 has the birth of Henry John Cannon on the 13 November 1895 at 131 Patterson Street, Launceston. Father Thomas Cannon, fisherman and Mary Louisa Cannon (nee Young) Informant was M L Cannon, Mother, 131 Paterson St, Launceston.
Cheers,
Peter :)
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JEN 10 was enquiring regarding THOMAS CANNON and VERA TYLER - I am the grandson (now 69) of that couple.
I never met Thomas (he died before my birth) but they had three children - Veronica Olive (known as Rita), Keith and Charles.
I have a photo of Thomas and several photos of Vera (buried at Carr Villa Cemetery).
Thomas was a fisherman and sail maker and the above families ran one of the most successful fish shops in Launceston - on the corner of George Street.
A trivia is that he caught a fish that had never been seen before and it is in the Launceston Museum.
If you would like detailed info on the children (and their respective families to this day) of Thomas, please let me know.
I'd be curious to know of your connection and the reason for your interest in Thomas ?
Regards,
KEVIN MOORE
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Hi Kevin,
Sorry for the late reply - I have moved back to Australia and changed my email address, so didn't realise you had posted. I would love to chat to you privately - I will send you a pm and hope that you will get it!
Peter - thank you very much for the information.
Cheers,
Jen
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Hi Kevin and Jen.... now that the fish shop in George st has been mentioned I know I have the right family link ....my grandparents met in that shop.... my G G Grandfather Henry Milner married Mary Ann Cannon. ... Mary Ann married Bruce Gunn after Henry died.... we still visit Mary Anns grave at Carr villa in Launceston. .. dad is currently cleaning it right up. ...
ive never been able to ascertain Mary Anns parents for sure tho
How exciting to find you both
Cheers
Carol
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Hi Carol,
I also have your Mary Ann (married Henry Milner) as the daughter of George Cannon (convict on Mangles) and Mary Ann Dean (convict on the Majestic). She had a daughter, also called Mary Ann. I am not sure how much information you have, but I have a bit. Feel free to message me and we can swap information if you are interested.
Interestingly, it seems that George Cannon's son (Thomas, who is my relative), married Mary Louisa Young, who was first married to Bruce Gunn (the one who then seemed to marry his sister, Mary Ann) They all appear to have lived in Paterson St.
Cheers!
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Wow
Just stumbled across this post.
Mary Ann and Henry Milner are also my G G grandparents.
We also visit their graves . My dad now being 86 - We are also Milners via Charles Thomas and Emma Gorst- still living in Launceston.
Would love to chat more.
Carol Milner