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Research in Other Countries => Europe => Topic started by: kshaw on Wednesday 06 November 13 14:00 GMT (UK)
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I have been trying to find information about my great grandmother Hilja Kutja for years but have not been able to find anything more than her Death Record and my grandfather's birth record with her name on it.
As far as I know she was born in Finland (don't know where) about 1891. She immigrated to Canada before 1912, but I can't find any record of when or where she entered. The first record I have is my grandfather's BC ( Jalo Johan Gate Anderson born 1 May 1913). It says that she and my great grandfather Manasse Anderson (1887 Finland - 1930 Fort William, Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada) were married 5 Oct 1912 in Port Arthur, Thunder Bay.... however I have yet to find a MC to confirm what they told the register. I know that she got T.B. while pregnant with a baby girl who I think was stillborn or died shortly after birth (again I can't find record, but I've seen the grave), she herself than died 7 Dec 1917 Port Arthur, Thunder Bay aged 26 not long after the baby from what I'm told. On Her record of Death it has her listed as Hilja Anderson, but again I don't know if her and Manasse were ever really married. He has himself listed as a widower on military recruitment papers that are dated twice (once while Hilja was sick in hospital on 9 Nov 1917 and again in 1918. However I found a MC for Manasse and his second wife 10 May 1918, on which he is listed as a Bachelor not a widower....
I would really like to find out where she came from and anything about her family. Any help would be amazing and Thank you for reading my long winded story!! X
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Hello there
Manasse's second marriage is on the familysearch website: -
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/278Y-YPH
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Do you know where Manasse was born and when he came to Canada? It would be worth checking the area he came from, as well as any parts of Canada where you know he lived for Kutja families - it's possible they knew each other in Finland and she followed him to Canada to get married.
Who gave the information on her death certificate?
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Hi,
Thank you, I have found a lot about Manasse and my grandfather had some contact with family on that side. Sadly my grandfather was very young when his mother Hilja died and was away sick in hospital for about a year before, so he did really remember her. Manasse also remarried or married (as it may be) less than 6 months after Hilja died. Almost everything to do with Hilja was removed from the house and Manasse never told my grandfather anything about her other than were her and the baby girl were buried.
Manasse was from Isojoki, Finland his father was Antti Toristo and his mother was Klaara Korpi. I'm not sure when Manasse started using Anderson but I couldn't find anything about with under Toristo. I believe that I found him as M. Anderson listed on a steamer arriving in the Port of Port Arthur Aug 1911, from Duluth, MN from what I can tell Hilja is not on that passenger list. From what I've been told people in Finland had no set surname at that time unless they were of high standings or high occupation (Doctor, Lawyer, Officer/Military etc.) All others carried the place where they were living as their second name, changing it if they moved and that the parish records had where they came from and where the moved to. Yet I still can't find Hilja anywhere!
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Do you know where Manasse was born and when he came to Canada? It would be worth checking the area he came from, as well as any parts of Canada where you know he lived for Kutja families - it's possible they knew each other in Finland and she followed him to Canada to get married.
Who gave the information on her death certificate?
I don't know for sure when Manasse came, but think that it was Aug 1911. As far as I know he and Hilja only stayed in Port Arthur and Fort William (now the two cities are one city called Thunder Bay), Ontario. There was/ is a very large number of Finnish people that settled in P.A, Thunder Bay during the turn of the century and into the early 1900's.
Her death certificate was filled in by her doctor, I'm guessing that she had been in hospital (which was being used as a home for those with T.B. at the time) for about a year as the DC said she'd been sick for a year.
There has always been a lot of mystery surrounding Hilja, with no one to share info about her. I have found others with the surname Kutja but have yet to link them to her.
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Have you tried http://www.finnishhistory.ca ?
Perhaps they could point you in the direction of church records or local newspapers for the Finnish community in the area that might have more information.
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Thank you, I've not looked at that one! x
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Hi
I have tried to find Hilja without success. Where did you get the name Kutja from? Was it from a certificate? If possible I would like to see the record..... if I may.
You say you have a lot on Manasse but here are a few records I have found which you may already have. I have a few more but they are only available to members.
His parents marriage record:
1884 26 Dec: http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ilh/
His father's birth record:
1854 25 Sept: http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ili/
His mother's birth record:
1856 2 Aug: http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ilj/
I also have Manasse's birth record and his last entry in the "census" book from 1902. The name "Toristo" is actually Todisto - the place he lived at in 1902. Manasse was born Johan Manasse Andersson but also known as Juha.
Ian
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I have just found Jalo Johan Gate Anderson's birth record on Ancestry. Is this where you got the name Kutja?
Ian
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Hi, Wow thank you no I'd not seen those records. I was having a very hard time finding records outside of Canada from when they were living there.
Yes, I have her maiden name listed as Hilja Kutja of my grandfather's BC which fingers crossed I just attached.
I've found Manasse's name as both Toristo and Todisto. I have found his passport listing him as Johan Manasse Andersson but didn't know he was also known as Juha. Are you able to read these documents? I can find the names but not much more.
Kat
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Cheers.
Yes I can read them, would you like a translation?
Ian
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That would be amazing! I understand that you also have other records that you can't share because they are for members only.... but are you able to give me the info that's on them?
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Yes I can.
Do you think that the name Kutja is correct. I think it is mistranscribed. I am thinking on the lines of Kulju.
I have found a Hilja Serafiina Kulju born 15 Jan 1892 and nothing else to go on. I have the family on a "census" from 1900.
Ian
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It could be an error, I have only found two records that she's listed on and of the two that s the only one that has her maiden name. I've not even been able to find her MC with the date and place given on my grandfather's BC.
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I believe that I found him as M. Anderson listed on a steamer arriving in the Port of Port Arthur Aug 1911, from Duluth, MN from what I can tell Hilja is not on that passenger list.
According to the 1921 Census he arrived in 1904.
Ian
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Klaara, Siiro Matalo croft owner. Henrik Mattsson and wife Greta Lisa.
Godparents: Henrik Thomasson, Siiro and wife Justina Jacobsdotter. Markus Mattsson and Klara Johansdotter, Kankaanpää - christened in church by C.G. Hjerpe
Karl Anders, croft owner Anders Andersson Lamminharju and wife Maria's child.
Witnesses: Erik Mattsson Syväjaiir and Anna Greta Jakobsdotter, Samuel Enoksson Lamminharju and Maria Josefsdotter Siiro - christened in church by C.G. Hjerpe
Marriage record:
Hired man widower Karl Anders Andersson Lamminharju (30 years old) and croft owner's daughter Klara Andersdotter Korpi (28 years old) at Siiri, both from Wesijärvi.
Widower and unmarried.
It looks like the minister got Klara's surname wrong.
Ian
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Anders, Antti, Andreas and
Johan, Juha, John
are interchangeable in Finnish.
Ian
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I have his passport for institute of migration. Dated (passin paivays... Which I translated to me applied for or received) 13.05.1904
He was going to Amerikka (which I took to mean USA or Canada). I've search 1000's of passenger lists by hand, working from the 13 May 1904 onwards. The 25 yrs old, M. Anderson entering Canada in 1912 to Port Arthur is the closet match I've found. However I've not finished looking at all the passager list. I have also while searching for Manasse's entry, found his brother Swante. As far as my grandmother knows Manasse's son(my grandfather) had no idea that he had blood family so close.
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The record said Swante Todisto but it should have been Svante. All the other info matches to Manasse's.
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There looks to have been a Svante Toristo leaving Finland 3 Sept 1913.
Ian
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Taking a look for Svante Todisto as a passenger, he was in Finland with his wife Elli and child Olavi in 1929.
I have noticed that his surname has two variations, Toristo and Todisto.
Ian
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I have a few back and forth from USA to Canada and back between 1914 - 1917. I then have Svante 'Toristo' with wife Elli and son Olavi, on a passanger list abroad the Drottningholm. leaving Gothenburg, Sweden 17 Aug 1929 heading to halifax, Canada. Their final destination is listed as Sault Ste Marie, Ont, Canada (which isn't overly far from Thunder Bay). I have a very hard to read boarding crossing record from 7 Dec 1917 (same day Hilja dead, oddly enough). It shows Svante Toristo, from Isojoki, Finland. aged 23, father Antti - Isojoki, Finland. The last line is really hard to read but looks like 'first arrival in Canada' Halifax Sept 1913 Victorian.
I just went over some of my notes and I also have:
a Manasseh Anderson arriving in St.Albans, Vermont, USA, however it has their birth place listed as Canada.
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3 listings for Hilja Anderson - one arriving in Boston, one in Quebec and one crossing from the USA into Canada (but I think they are all unlikely to be matches)
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Here are some "census" record for Karl Anders that are available online:
1855: http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/isojoki/rippikirja_1846-1855_uk180-181/307.htm
1865: http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/isojoki/rippikirja_1856-1865_uk181/444.htm
1872: http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/isojoki/rippikirja_1866-1872_mko141-161/451.htm
1882: http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/isojoki/rippikirja_1873-1882_mko162-182/470.htm - with first wife. At bottom of page.
Ian
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Here is the translation for Manasse's birth record:
Born 15 Oct 1885 and christened 18 Oct 1885.
Born in Isojoki village as Johan Manasse. His mothers's age was 39.
Hedborg farm, croftowner, farmer Anders Enochsson and wife Klara Stina Eriksdotter.
Godparents: Farmer Samuel Paulus Samuelsson Pukkila with wife Hilda Wilhelmina Jonasdotter.
Again the minister has got the names wrong.
Ian
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Here are Manasse's family as of the 1902 "census":
Isojoki, Hedborg Nr 2, Todisto
Karl Antti Anttinsson - b.25 Sept 1854 - Lammiharju
Klaara Heikindotter - b.2 Aug 1856 - Siiro
Juho Manasse Antinsson - b.15 Oct 1885 - Täällä
Hilda Maria - b.7 June 1887 - Täällä
Antti Nikolai - 16 May 1891 - Täällä
Svante Albert - b.30 Nov 1894 - Täällä
The entries are in Finnish now, not Swedish.
Ian
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Wow Ian thank you so much, I was given a family tree with one of Manasse's branches. However since I can't read Swedish or Finn I've been using google translate, however I am still very confused of the rules of Last names at that time.... and so have been unable to find what you have.
Sadly short of finding a record linking Manasse with Hilja I realise that I may never know anything more about her. Which is very sad, she lived only about 26 years and without her I wouldn't be here, how can she be on only two records.
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Cheers.
I am unable to find them in the 1911 census. They should be there as Wilma was born 1909 in Ontario. Have you looked for them in 1911?
Ian
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The two girls are Manasse's step daughters, He married their mother, Maria Wuoti in May 1918. I'm not sure how long or well they knew each other before hand. Maria had been Hilja's midwife when she had the stillborn girl, towards the end of 1917, not long before she herself died in Dec.
I've been unable to find any record of Manasse in Canada (for sure) until my Grandfather Jalo's birth. It's very odd since both the later census and his passport show he came over in 1904.
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I've even looked to see if he was using Todist or Toristo for the first while (since that's what's on the passport) but still nothing.
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Ok, thanks for that. Saves looking elsewhere.
Ian
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Have you tried getting the original documents from Thunder Bay just to see Hilja's surname as it was written?
Ian
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Hi
I don't know if you have any info on Maria Wuoti but I took a look in the books too.
She was born Edla Maria Henriksdotter 24 April 1883 at Märtmark Village, Söderback Farm in Lappfjärd. She left for USA in 1902.
Her parents were Henrik Gustafsson and Maja Lisa Hermansdotter Haapala.
Here is the family from 1903:
Farmer Henrik Gustafsson - b.10 June 1855 in Lappfjärd
Maja Lisa Hermansdotter Haapala - b.27 July 1853 in Jurva
Wilhelmina - b.29 Nov 1877
Johan Henrik - b.23 June 1880 in Lappfjärd
Edla Maria - b.27 April 1883 in Lappfjärd
Hulda Elina b.13 June 1885 in Lappfjärd
Josef Albin - b.26 Jan 1888 in Lappfjärd
Mickel Knut - b. 9 Jan 1891 in Lappfjärd
Oskar Richard - b.17 June 1894 in Lappfjärd
Edvard - b.16 Oct 1897 in Lappfjärd
Ian
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At http://nanaimofamilyhistory.ca/passenger-list-project/ I saw a Hilja "Kurliza" aged 20 arriving in 1910, apparently with a sister (?) Anna, aged 24. Can't work out how they're indexed otherwise but they can be seen at familysearch by looking up someone else on the same ship who happens to be on the same page:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2H2T-7QZ
On the original
Anna or Aina? Kul??a, 24
Hilja Kul??a, 20
There is a dot but hard to tell if it belongs to an i or if it and the tail below might be part of a j
Both heading to Port Arthur. They had a sister there (not named)
I think this might be Aina's marriage in late 1911:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KS8J-6JN
"Kuljer" on index but "Kulja" in other areas.
Same parents, an Anna Olivia "Kuljii" married there in 1906:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KSZC-QXF
Same woman is "Kulju" at her daughter's birth in 1907:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QV9H-XJ3F
John Arthur Ranta, her husband, died in 1908. I'm having trouble finding any of these people in the 1911 census or later.
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Yes I can.
Do you think that the name Kutja is correct. I think it is mistranscribed. I am thinking on the lines of Kulju.
I have found a Hilja Serafiina Kulju born 13 Jan 1892 and nothing else to go on. I have the family on a "census" from 1900.
Ian
Well, this is strange.....
This family has a father Wilho Kulju and a mother Sofia Maria. Also 3 daughters..... Anna Olivia, Aina Fredrikka and Hilja Serafiina.
All these names appear on the documents found by jorose.
This looks to be the same family.
Ian
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Here is the whole family from 1900 in Alatornio:
Wilho Kulja Henriksson
Sofia Maria Henriksdotter
Oskar - b.8 July 1877
Maria Eri - b.12 Sept 1879
Anna Olivia - b.19 March 1881 - married John Arthur Ranta
Hilda Sofia - b.29 Dec 1883
Aina Fredriika - b.17 July 1885 - married Jaakko Savfried Wuotila
Waino Eomis - b.2 Oct 1889
Hilja Seraphina - b.13 Jan 1892
Hanna - b.26 Jan 1894
Wilhelm Einar - b.15 Jan 1897
Emil - b.21 June 1899
Ian
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Here is the mother Sofia Maria living at Toratti in 1877, the surname given in the documents.
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Here are the women's passport applications from the passenger list in 1910. The dates of births are the same and are both from Alatornio.
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And here is the sister Anna Olivia they were visiting with son Eino on a passenger list from England to Quebec on the Virginian, 26.10.1905:
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Anna and Eino from the last reply are incorrect. Her maiden name was Partala living in Franklin, Houghton, Michigan in 1920 with husband William Kulju.
Ian
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Just trying to find a connection to all these Kuljus. Anna Kulju's daughter Signe Ingrid Ranta married a George Nickels in Wayne County, Michigan on 21 April 1934. Certificate is on Ancestry. Mother stated as Anna Kulja.
1926 Passenger record: Ingrid Ranta: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K8M4-Z5D Mother as Anna Niemi.
1927 Passenger record: Ingrid Ranta: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K8M4-ZPJ
1940 USA Census: Ingrid Nickels: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KHMM-G5Z
Anna Niemi (Kulju) in 1921 Canada Census on Ancestry: Reference Number: RG 31; Folder Number: 82; Census Place: Port Arthur City - Third Ward, Port Arthur and Kenora, Ontario; Page Number: 10
Ian
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Have you tried getting the original documents from Thunder Bay just to see Hilja's surname as it was written?
Ian
As far as what I was told the typed copy is the original, sadly there seems to be a lot of mistakes and typos.
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Wow.... It completely fits that Kutja could be Kulju! My head is spinning a bit, need to pull out my notes and see if I missed anything else that might fit here.
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Aina Fredriika - b.17 July 1885 - married Jaakko Savfried Wuotila
Aina had an illegitimate daughter in late 1910, registered 1911:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FMH1-TD7
Also a child b. 1920 d. 1921 shows the family started using "Jacobson" as a surname:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J6KM-HYY
The obituary/death notice for "Aini Jacobson nee Kulju" is indexed here:
http://www.tbpl.ca/upload/documents/cj-death-index-1972---1979.pdf
She died in 1975 aged 90.
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A little more:
A marriage from 1912 with Sanfried Wuotila and Aina Wuotila (Kulju) as witnesses: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KS8D-RCF
Sanfried Jacobson died 1955
Aina and Sanfried Jacobson and Esther in 1921 Census is on Ancestry: Reference Number: RG 31; Folder Number: 58; Census Place: Fort William (City), Fort William and Rainy River, Ontario; Page Number: 31
Ian
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Hi, Sorry it's taken so long to reply. I've been speaking to my Grandma and she thinks that it might be right. There were a few things that she recalls now that seem to fit with Hilja having family (a sister) also in the area. Sadly my grandfather passed away many years ago so he can't help with the very little he may have known, but never shared.
I haven't had the time lately for doing research but I'll update (hopefully in the next few weeks) when I have more time to dig.
Thank you again so very much for turning over this stone for me, I am always thankful for any help that others are able to give.
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Here are some "census" record for Karl Anders that are available online:
1855: http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/isojoki/rippikirja_1846-1855_uk180-181/307.htm
1865: http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/isojoki/rippikirja_1856-1865_uk181/444.htm
1872: http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/isojoki/rippikirja_1866-1872_mko141-161/451.htm
1882: http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/isojoki/rippikirja_1873-1882_mko162-182/470.htm - with first wife. At bottom of page.
Hi kshaw
I'll post here so it'll be easier to correspond if needed.
The first 3 links say that Karl Anders was born 25 Sept 1854 in Lammiharju and was vaccinated for smallpox. He could also read the "ABC" book and from the Luther's Catechism.
The 4th says he was a croft owner and was living with or on the land of his brother in law. It also says that he went to America in 1875.
If you want more help just ask.
Ian
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Here is the mother Sofia Maria living at Toratti in 1877, the surname given in the documents.
Nr 7 Toratti (a sixth of a "mantal" = a taxable ownership)
Henrik Salomonsson b. 21 Jan 1829
Wife Anna Greta Järkkä b.27 Jun 1833
Children:
Nils b. 25 Jan 1855
Sofia Maria b. 10 Feb 1857
Johan Erik b. 18 Juk 1858
Ian
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Thank you, Ian!! I have only recently been about to confirm that the Hilja Kulju that you found was, in fact, the correct person. Anything that you are able to help me find/ know about either line of my Finnish family is simply amazing. You have made a 94-year-old woman very happy and helped to uncover a 100-year-old mystery.
I have tried in the past to look through the Finn records, but without any Finn... it makes it very difficult to find much of anything, even if I'm staring right at the information I'm looking for.
I'm very interested in knowing anything you are able to find.
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Hi
You're welcome.
What exactly would you like to know or find?
Ian
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I would like to find out any info about Hilja's family going back. Who they were, where they lived etc. I have managed to find more or her two sisters that also came to Canada, from what you found. There is a least one other person with Hilja's sisters, Anna Olivia Kulju and Aina Fredrika Kulju, on their tree on Ancestry but I don't have a sub right now so I can't contact them.
I know this is a big ask, to get you to see if you can find anything else but as I said I can't read the documents.
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No worries.
I'll see what I can dig up. I'll get back to you soon.
Ian
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Just trying to find a connection to all these Kuljus. Anna Kulju's daughter Signe Ingrid Ranta married a George Nickels in Wayne County, Michigan on 21 April 1934. Certificate is on Ancestry. Mother stated as Anna Kulja.
1926 Passenger record: Ingrid Ranta: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K8M4-Z5D Mother as Anna Niemi.
1927 Passenger record: Ingrid Ranta: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K8M4-ZPJ
1940 USA Census: Ingrid Nickels: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KHMM-G5Z
Anna Niemi (Kulju) in 1921 Canada Census on Ancestry: Reference Number: RG 31; Folder Number: 82; Census Place: Port Arthur City - Third Ward, Port Arthur and Kenora, Ontario; Page Number: 10
Ian
I don't think that the 1940 census is the right person. It has her listed as English- Canadian
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I would like to find out any info about Hilja's family going back.
Here is what I have dug up for now. I'll hopefully find some more for you.
1868 - Household Examination - Alatornio Parish: Isaac Wilhelm Henriksson Kulju and Family:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mnc/
1858 - Household Examination - Alatornio Parish: Isaac Wilhelm Henriksson Kulju and Family:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mnd/
1854 - Birth - Alatornio Parish: Isaac Wilhelm Henriksson Kulju - 3 June:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mni/
1851 - Household Examination - Alatornio Parish: Henrik Henriksson Kulju and Family:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mne/
1844 - Household Examination - Alatornio Parish: Henrik Henriksson Kulju and Family (Father and Mother at top):
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mng/
1843 - Marriage - Alatornio Parish: Henrik Henriksson Kulju and Eva Brita Henriksdotter - nr12:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mnf/
1828 - Household Examination - Alatornio Parish: Henrik Henriksson Kulju and Family:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mnj/
1819 - Household Examination - Alatornio Parish: Henrik Henriksson Kulju and Family:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mnk/
1815 - Birth - Alatornio Parish: Henrik Henriksson Kulju - 10 August:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mnh/
1804 - Marriage - Alatornio Parish: Henrik Eriksson (Ersson) Kulju and Brita Caijsa (Catharina) Samuelsdotter:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mnl/
Ian
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Here are the families:
Henrik Henriksson b.1815 and Family:
Wife:
Eva Brita Henriksdotter Esko
Children:
Johan Henrik
Erick August
Brita
Maria Josefina
Nils Arvid
Isak Wilhelm
Carl
Sofia Johanna
Greta Sofia
Alfred
Henrik Ericksson b.1778 and Family:
Wife:
Brita (Cajsa) Catharina Samuelsdotter
Children:
Samuel Wilhelm
Johan Erik
Brita Helena
Anna Lisa
Eva Carolina
Henrik
Stina Cajsa
Sofia Gretha
Mathilda
Johanna
Ian
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Thank you so much, Ian! ;D
I am in the process of trying to trace the family forwards to find living relatives as well. ;D
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You're welcome.
I am unfortunately no longer a member to see the books for the years after 1870.
Ian
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That is alright, you have found so much for me already and I am very grateful. I don't even know where to start looking when it comes to the books. I can read the names (now) if I know what to look for, but still, find that I can be looking at the right family and not know it! :P
With the information, you gave me before I found a tree on MyHeritage that matches and am waiting for them to get back to me. I'm not sure how up to the current date you can find birth, death, and marriage records in Finland, but I'm doing my best to find out what happened to Hilja's siblings.
(All events took place in Alatornio unless stated)
*Oskar 8 July 1877 - 11 Sept 1947 M. Emma Karolina
Martha Johanna 26 Nov 1906 - 31 Aug 1963
Pentti Antero 9 Aug 1909 - 21 Oct 1974
Johan Arvid 31 Aug 1910 - 23 Mar 1969 (not known where)
Tyyne Maria 10 Aug 1914 - 25 July 1937
Kaarlo Akseli 2 Mar 1917 - 9 Sept 1958
*Maria Eri 12 Sept 1879
*Anna Olivia 19 Mar 1881 - went to Canada M. Juho (John) Arthur Ranta
Signe Ingrid 7 Aug 1907 Port Arthur, ON Canada, went to USA M. Unknown Nichols/ Nickels
Dyyra Hilda 13 Apr 1909 Port Arthur, ON Canada
*Hilda Sofia 29 Dec 1883 (moved to Tornio 21 Nov 1902)
*Aina Fredrika 17 July 1885 - 2 Aug 1975 Thunder Bay, ON Canada M. Jaakko Sanfried Wuotila (Sanfried Jacobson)
Hulda Esther (Kulju) 17 Dec 1910 Port Arthur, ON (father unknown)
William 1913
Linda 1914
Lillie 1916 - 25 Jun 1965 Fort William, ON
Rans 1918
*Waino Eomis (Vaino Emil) 2 Oct 1889 - 2 Apr 1960 M. Maria Johanna 11 Feb 1917
Lauri Eemeli 26 Feb 1917 - 27 May 1917
Viho Vaino 2 May 1918 - 26 Jul 1941
Valter Johannes 12 Dec 1919
Veijo Vaino Johannes 27 Jun 1922 - 12 Nov 1942 Maaselka Kinnasjarvi.
Jussi 16 Apr 1936 - 16 Apr 1936
*Hilja Seraphina I know what happened to her, my family line.
*Hanna 26 Jan 1894
*Wilhelm Einar 15 Jan 1897
*Emil 21 Jun 1899
I also found
*Juhani Henrik 27 Aug 1887 M. Hanna Elisabet 28 Jun 1908
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Hi Ian,
I just noticed that you didn't send me Manasse's birth record. You translated but didn't send me the document. I'm trying to sort out the different names or name error and would very much like to see it, if you don't mind please giving it to me.
Thank you
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Hi
I have sent you a PM.
Ian