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Hello again
I have found a second wife for John Rogerson born 1676 to 1741 first wife was Elizabeth Rogerson / Ludlow .All it says is 1726 the second wife of John Rogerson was Elizabeth Ward .: Also found a child William Bell Causabon Rogerson from the marriage of Arabella Rogerson : to William Causabon
Any help Please
Anneelaine ::)
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Find the dates posted very confusing. Was Sir John Rogerson who was born 1676? and died 1741? and what's 1726- date he married 2nd wife?
In any case, all of the dates here are well before the start of civil registration, census records, most surviving church records, etc.?
I did find this on a John Rogerson born 1676 and died 1741 who was the son of a Sir John Rogerson but little details given-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Rogerson_(1676%E2%80%931741)
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Hi Do not know what 1726 next to his second wife as you say very confusing
I have been looking for years for a second wife because that's were are family fits in but could never find one I think maybe it's good I found her but were do I go from here.
Thanks aghadowey
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Notwithstanding the health warning over the accuracy of what follows, have a look at it:
http://www.bryan-martin.net/genealogy/getperson.php?personID=I1291&tree=gam
And this:
http://www.bryan-martin.net/genealogy/getperson.php?personID=I1283&tree=gam
If this is accurate, my understanding is that Elizabeth Ward was 2nd wife of John Rogerson senior c. 1650 - 1726, not the son c. 1676 - 1741.
Or am I reading this wrong?
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Hello Gaffy
Thank you for that my Aunt always said that we were the second family off Sir John Rogerson born 1647 but been told no way ;D so I think she was right she did have the wedding docket but in the 60's she was told it was not real and it got lost some how.
Now to find a son with John and Elizabeth should be good. I am getting close now to joining the dots
Thanks again
Anneelaine
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HI been looking for a new family From John Rogerson & Elizabeth nee Warde Rogerson After 1796 i I have looked everywhere London Dublin But No Luck Any help Please
I even phoned up the place were elizaberth Warde grow up but the family said did not know any think about her but they had used part off her family name been warde
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:)Hello been thinking!!
I also think that John Rogerson. 1676 - 1741. could have been married twice I found that his first wife passed away in 1717 Anyone know any think please
Thank you Anneelaine
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dont know if these wills still exist but thought i would bring it to your attention
Index of Prerogative wills Ireland.
1758 Bridget Rogerson ,Dublin
1724 Sir John Rogerson,Dublin knt?
1741 John Rogerson Lord Chief Justice of Kings bench.
1785 John Rogerson ,Bettyville Co Carlow,Esq
1735 Susanna Rogerson ,Dublin ,spinster.
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Also see The Docklands Sir John Rogerson by Turtle Bunbury award winning travel writer.
names wives of father and son and children.
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Dath ai Thanks for that we take a look
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AE
Is the entry on P91 of Dublin Street Names (dated and explained) By C.T.M'Cready reprinted by Carraig Books in 1975 known to you?
Felixquaxer
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Thanks Felixquaxer
No will try and find the book thank you .
Anneelaine
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AE
Thank you
There are further references to William Bell,John ,Sir John,Francis,Catherine and the LCJ in the C.A.R.D. volumes which may provide further clues etc. If you require the references just let me know.
Regards
Felixquaxer
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HI Thank you,
Would love the references Please
AE
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AE
There might be something in these CARD references of help to you
LCJ Vol 8 Page 249
Catherine V. 4 P.89
Francis V 4 P 60
Sir John V 6 P504 512 513 515 542 543 556 557
V 7 P 5 6 7 8 23 38 39 50 51 52 77 87 90 108 122 142 211 260 388 523 534 536 538
548 551 562 565 566 567 569 572
V 8 P395 397 398 399 400 401 402 403 404 405 406 407 409 410 411 413 415 416
473 513 520 525
V 14 P69
V 16 P 293 339 394
V 18 P 130 234
John V 16 P 144 199 513 515 517
V 19 P 179
William Bell V 19 P 17 92 178 229 274 301 322 389 422
I hope that all the above are related but cannot check at the moment as all the relevant vols are with the Publisher
Regards
Felixquaxer
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Thank you when do you think i could get the book or see it?
Thank you AE
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AE
The 19 Vols.are available at the Gilbert Library the NLI and major libraries throughout the world.
Felixquaxer
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Thank you so much for that .
AE
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https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=d-277-1-1-278
Hi,
can anyone read what this said please 15 Aug Year 1712, Anne Rogerson
Thanks, Anneelaine
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Detailed abstracts of wills of Rogerson of City of Dublin, Knights and Judge, 1724 -- 1741
Dublin: National Library of Ireland, Genealogical Office: Ms.143, pp.31-3
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It appears to be the name of a vault
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Mary%27s_Church,_Mary_Street,_Dublin
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Right, Thank you
Need to start looking into this
Anneelaine
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Danes Valt
If you go to previous page. 4th last entry right page...
the e in Campbell is reversed too! :o in same Valt!
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How would I find out about it
Anneelaine
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I don't even know what Church that record was from.
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Sir John Rogerson is thought to have been born in Holland circa 1648, while his father was in exile there. He subsequently settled in London where, as a merchant, he was apparently as well known on Lombard Street as he later was in the Dublin Tholsel, so perhaps he was raised as a Londoner.
He was certainly living in Dublin by 1674 when listed as one of the first parishioners to attend the new church of St Andrew’s, just off Dame Street.
Sir John Rogerson’s first wife Elizabeth was the youngest daughter of Emmanuel Proby of St. Gregory, London. Her grandfather, Sir Peter Proby, was Lord Mayor of London in 1622, while her uncle Sir Heneage Proby was sometime MP of Buckingham. Her mother Mary was the daughter of London merchant John Bland. Their country residence was ‘The Glen’ or ‘Glasnevin House’ located just outside the village of Glasnevin. Rogerson also built the village church and allegedly made a few pennies from the tithes.
After Elizabeth's death, apparently from tuberculosis, John was married secondly circa 1696 to another Elizabeth. His new wife was Elizabeth Ward, daughter of John Ward (1611-1657) and Elizabeth Vincent (1628-1688). She died in 1726, two years after him.
There is a suggestion that John Rogerson may have suffered a double calamity in his final years. It is believed that his son William Rogerson of Peter Street / St. Werburgh's Church died of a fever on 3rd February 1721 and that Willam's infant son, also William, died on 12 May 1723. William's widow Alice (nee Mullineux / Molyneaux) was married secondly in 1723 to Sir Richard Wolseley (1696-1769) of Mount Wolseley, County Carlow.
We know Sir John had at least two more sons - John, who succeeded him and became Chief Justice of Ireland, and Richard Rogerson. The latter was born in London and educated in Dublin by various teachers for three years, before spending four years at Eton under Mr. Newborough. At the age of 16, he was admitted to Gonville & Caius College, Cambridge, as a pensioner to the bachelor's table on 15th April 1704, under the tutealge of Mr. Hawys. He was admitted at the Middle Temple on 3rd January 1703.
http://www.turtlebunbury.com/published/published_books/docklands/grand_canal_docks/pub_books_docklands_rogerson.html
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Burial of ANNE ROGERSON of N/R
on 15 August 1712
Parish/Church/Congregation - ST. MARY
Area - DUBLIN (COI)
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Thank you Hallmark
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John lived Brooklodge, Co Cork so there are probably records in Cork also.
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Will see what I can Find thank you.
anneelaine
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John is mentioned....
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=46&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwje4-PzkPfdAhXBOcAKHS-AATw4KBAWMAV6BAgBEAI&url=https%3A%2F%2Fforgottenbooks.com%2Fpt%2Fdownload%2FTheBlackwaterinMunster_10851560.pdf&usg=AOvVaw2wUUy7WuUiRjIdnTBi0Nw9
Just use search... Rogerson
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Stephen Ludlow, a chancery clerk in Ireland, who held lands under the “Commission of Grace” (36 Chas. II.), and was “Granted” under the Williamite Confiscations. He died in 1721, leaving issue:
Peter, of whom presently.
William,[1] who mar. Catharine Stopford.
Alice, mar. Francis Bernard.
Arabella, mar. David Nixon.
Elizabeth, m. John Rogerson, Esq.
Francis, mar. Robert Leslie.
https://www.libraryireland.com/Pedigrees2/ludlow.php
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I think I am being a bit thick
Here well lost Sorry
Thanks, Anneelaine.
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John's wife!
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Elizabeth,Warde his second wife
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Elizabeth,Warde his second wife
Stephen Ludlow, died in 1721, leaving issue:
Peter, of whom presently.
William,[1] who mar. Catharine Stopford.
Alice, mar. Francis Bernard.
Arabella, mar. David Nixon.
and
Elizabeth, m. John Rogerson, Esq.
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Right ok,
Thank you
Anneelaine
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Sir John Rogerson died in 1724 and was succeeded by his eldest [surviving?] son and namesake who would become the Right Hon John Rogerson, serving as Chief Justice of Ireland from 1727 until his death on 24 August 1741.
John was born in Dublin He went on to become Solicitor General of Ireland in 1714 and Recorder of Dublin in the same year. He was appointed Attorney General in 1720 and Chief Justice of the King’s Bench in 1727.
He married Elizabeth Ludlow, daughter of Stephen Ludlow and aunt of the 1st Earl Ludlow.
He left one son, also John Rogerson, who died unmarried,
and at least four daughters,
Elizabeth, The bulk of Judge Rogerson’s considerable wealth passed to his eldest daughter, Elizabeth Rogerson. This included Rogerson's Quay and property in Great Denmark Street. At the time of her father’s death, Elizabeth was twelve years married to Abraham Crichton - or Creighton, subsequently 1st Baron Erne of Crom Castle, son of Maj.-Gen. David Crichton and Katherine Southwell. Her dowry had been worth £5000 but was considerably enhanced by this inheritance.
Hannah, married Anthony Jephson, MP for Mallow
Frances married Robert Leslie of Glaslough and was mother to Charles Powell Leslie
and Arabella married firstly to Colonel William Causabon of Carriglemleary, near Mallow, Co. Cork, High Sheriff of Cork (1723) and MP for Doneraile
married secondly 19th October, 1715, George Purdon, of Tinerana, Killaloe, Co. Clare, and Woodfort, County Cork, M.P. for Clare
http://www.turtlebunbury.com/published/published_books/docklands/grand_canal_docks/pub_books_docklands_rogerson.html
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Hello again
I have found a second wife for John Rogerson born 1676 to 1741 first wife was Elizabeth Rogerson / Ludlow .All it says is 1726 the second wife of John Rogerson was Elizabeth Ward .: Also found a child William Bell Causabon Rogerson from the marriage of Arabella Rogerson : to William Causabon
Any help Please
Anneelaine ::)
John Rogerson died in 1724.
You found the wife of his son John!
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Sir John Rogerson’s first wife Elizabeth was the youngest daughter of Emmanuel Proby of St. Gregory, London. Her grandfather, Sir Peter Proby, was Lord Mayor of London in 1622, while her uncle Sir Heneage Proby was sometime MP of Buckingham.[10] Her mother Mary was the daughter of London merchant John Bland. Their country residence was ‘The Glen’ or ‘Glasnevin House’ located just outside the village of Glasnevin. Rogerson also built the village church and allegedly made a few pennies from the tithes.[11]
After Elizabeth's death, apparently from tuberculosis, John was married secondly circa 1696 to another Elizabeth. His new wife was Elizabeth Ward, daughter of John Ward (1611-1657) and Elizabeth Vincent (1628-1688). She died in 1726, two years after him
Thanks so much
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Hi, Just things sorted,
then I find this. A church record
Area - DUBLIN (COI) , Parish/Church/Congregation - ST. WERBURGH
Burial of ELIZABETH ROGERSON of N/R on 19 April 1728
New search
Name
ELIZABETH ROGERSON
Age
70
when you look at the record it is saying, The Lady Elizabeth Rogerson, But Sir John Rogerson was not married to her he had remarried to Elizabeth Warde after his wife death around 1696
Could do with a little help Please
Thanks, AE