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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Wiltshire => Topic started by: miggs 191 on Monday 11 November 13 16:39 GMT (UK)
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I am trying to find birth,death or marriage of John William Neate Perry.I know he existed as he is referred to in legal documents. His sister was born in 1848 and she is Mary Sarah Sissons Perry born in Devizes of parents John Perry of Devizes and Louisa Elizabeth Perry nee Maslen born in Covent Garden.
Possibility that John William is not a Perry but used his 'father's' name, as his mother may have had a relationship….can't find under Maslen or his father is John Perry so therefore he is registered under a different name as his father was not married to his mother!
Unfortunately there is a history of this as John Perry the father left his wife Louise and daughter Mary in Devizes around 1850 and took off to London where he produced two more daughters with a Matilda Imison.
An elderly relative says she believes he was born in 1863 and yet another suggestion puts him as 1819 and not the son of 'our' John Perry at all!
I have searched in free BMD and on Ancestry and looked at random links on Roots but over the last two months am having no luck.
Any suggestions gratefully received! Thank you. :(
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Might need to rethink the dates as John, Louisa, children and Matilda Imison are all together in Hackney in 1861
Dawn
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There is this strange birth reg :-\ :-\
John Perry Neate Perry
Dec qtr 1849
Reg District Strand
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There is also mention of a J Neat Perry, grocer of High Street, Shepton Mallett as a witness.
Western Gazette Friday 30 March 1888
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Possible online tree has his name as William John Neate Perry, no parents shown, born abt 1851 died 1938, married Sarah Jane Newton 1880.
This man died 9 Aug 1938 and left a will
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William John Neate Perry and wife Sarah Jane nee Newton appear in Shepton Mallet 1881-1901; his occupation grocer.
In 1881 he's 29 b Middlesex: RG11/2405/110/1.
In 1891 he's 39 b Middlesex London: RG12/1910/75/3.
In 1901 he's 50 b Middlesex London: RG13/2313/25/42.
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To all those who have kindly replied to my plea a very big thank you.You have all given me lots of leads . :) The generosity of Roots Chatters continues to amaze me.Now to task…again!
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To all those who gave such great support on the missing William John Neate Perry.
I have spent eons searching and double checking all your possible leads and have bitten the bullet and ordered a birth cert. ,a marriage cert. and a death cert. Please keep fingers crossed that it matches !
Thank you.
M. :) :)
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Please let us now what they say ;D
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Thank you Dawnsh. John Perry DOB 1819 left his wife and child in Devizes and married and had two girls with a Matilda Imison.They all lived together on various census records.Rather odd !
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Hi all, sent for the birth ,marriage and death certs.
Birth John Perry Neate Perry 1849 Strand London this is when I think the father John Perry first took off to London. Mother is listed as Jane Perry nee Neate. (names very common in Devizes and All Cannings)Also know that the Perrys married Neates in other generations.
Marriage William John Neate Perry marries Sarah Jane Newton July 6th 1880 in Shepton Mallett .He refers to his father as John Perry deceased gentleman which is accurate regarding the father's death cert.
Death 23rd of August 1938 occupation Grocer (nb his father was a grocer in Devizes .It didn't last long as he ran off to London !)
I have continued searching census and Birth marriage and death entries for John William Neate Perry but can find nothing else.
To top it all the relative I am doing this for told me this was all wrong! Mind you she is 103 !
So where is the John William Neate Perry that she insists should be there ?
I thought people often changed or swapped their names around?
And William was his grandfather's name ! ???
Thank you again for all your support
Miggs.
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Hi Miggs
We all like a puzzle.
In your opening post you mention legal documents, what were they and what date are they?
Dawn
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Hi Dawnsh, Thanks for replying so quickly.
The documents are about £90 worth of A3 that my Aunt and Father got from Chippenham records office. They contain a huge variety of info regarding the will of Clare the coroner of Devizes whom the parents of John Perry (the elder) looked after in Southbroom until his death.Need to check dates but around 1815 to 1825.
They inherited large amounts of land in Devizes,money and shares.
The legal documents go on until 1878 (roughly) when my great grandfather married Mary Sarah Sissons Perry.Various declarations that she is an only child….they were making sure that the illegitimate children did not inherit.Included is Mary Sarah Sisson's will that leaves some money to her brother.The first time we come across him.He does not appear in the other census records with the illegitimate girls.My thoughts are he is with his mother under her maiden name possibly Neate or his mother marries and he uses his stepfather's name.
The main problem is that my Aunt and Father have been studying genealogy for over fifty years.They both have files and files and files…. of info. but will not share it with each other and only give me the snippet they want me to check or research.I am caught in the middle! I am on oath not to tell the other if I find anything! It's driving me mad!
To solve it I need to go to the Chippenham records office and buy the lot for myself but I keep thinking that the one who is 103 can't last much longer.I know that is horrible for me to think like that.
The mention of the brother John William Neate Perry is in a will that was not proved but I have not been allowed to see the document.
I have seen the letters Mary Sarah Sissons Perry Banks wrote to her solicitor asking him to sell what was left of her possessions as they now had no money left and that takes it to around 1890ish.
Thanks for showing an interest. I'll just have to persevere and continue to link the revealed snippets .
As you say it is a puzzle and I still haven't found the William Perry who jumped ship off the Port of Natal and was presumed dead ,eaten by sharks ! Thats also in the documents.
When I inherit the lot I think I'll write a book about it! Would make a great BBC thriller!
Thank you again Miggs.
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You might have abit of a wait for those documents
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-24940663
;D ;D
as time moves on, various other documents go online and are available to download. Hang in there, something may turn up.
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See what you mean!
Thank God she is well and also as bright as a button.
She tells me stories of her memories of WW 1 when she had to hide under the table with sister and mother to avoid the Zepplins !
M
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Hi all,I'm back on the search! I have inherited all the documents and have spent the last four months sorting ,reading and filing etc.
The will of Mary Sarah Sissons (Perry ) Banks of 1876 states :-
"Give and bequeath to my brother John William Neate Perry the legacy or sum of one hundred pounds".
Trouble is this is the only time he appears in file after file of legal documents. I followed up on earlier posts and sent for the Birth ,marriage and death certs but it gets me no further in proving who he really was.My late Aunt was convinced it was wrong.
Anyone got any ideas that I may have not thought about ?
Thank you. :)
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Hi Miggs
Sorry to hear your aunt passed away but glad youinherited the documents.
I see you updated another topic here
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=652416.msg5641860#msg5641860
Possible online tree has his name as William John Neate Perry, no parents shown, born abt 1851 died 1938, married Sarah Jane Newton 1880.
This man died 9 Aug 1938 and left a will
Have you got this will?
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar?surname=perry&yearOfDeath=1938&page=5#calendar
Costs £10 and you can now order online. It will be sent to you in a few days as a pdf.
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I have the birth marriage and death certs for him and knew of the will but did not realise you could send for it! Thank you. :) :)
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Hi all, it's 2017 and at long last the problem of John William Neate Perry is solved. Have got hold of yet another legal document where he signs a solicitors document to witness signatures but giving his address as Shepton Mallet...matches BDM documents I took a chance on years ago. Also have found a copy of a will where my great grandmother clearly refers to her brother John William Neate Perry. She also refers to her daughter Lilian Clare Perry who I have also researched on Roots Chat. Solved ! Thank you to every one who has helped over the years. Now on to the next bit....where are his off spring ( I know she died childless but did marry ). 😀😀😀😀😀
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Thank you for giving us the update, I am really pleased that you have managed to confirm your research
Rosie
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Hi everyone who kindly helped with my problems ! Just to let you know on the update. Dawnish suggested to keep looking for info and she was so right ! Another document went on line referring to Horacio Nelson Perry. To my knowledge they were both extended family,brothers and cousins. It gave me little else e sceptical it was to do with a will. I took a risk and ordered £70 of documents which took three months to arrive as an e mail attachment ! The plot thickens ! I referred early on to large amounts of money and land inherited and this document refers to the original will and who inherited. My great great great grandfather took himself off to Jersey with his money leaving the estate in the hands of the executors. The first two died so family were appointed. They plundered the assets! They took the collected rents,sold one of the properties and a piece of land ! They told William who had inherited they would give him some money from the goodness of their heart ! The whole affair is called back to The Canterbury Perogative Court where the new executors have to appear in two weeks with all receipts and paperwork ! That’s where it ends....I await the next released paperwork ! Hope this shows that you must keep searching,going back,looking again and,most importantly,thinking “out of the box” to solve our quest .
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Thanks for the further update.
Fingers crossed for more information in the future.