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Hello,
1861 Wales
Civil Parish: Monkton
County: Pembrokeshire
Thomas Williams Head 56 Ag lab Kiffier Carmarthenshire
Hester Williams Wife 60 Kiffier Carmarthenshire
George Williams son 22 Mason Monkton, Pembrokeshire
I'd like a look up please for the family in 1851.
Thanks,
Fred
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1851 Pembrokeshire
Thomas Williams age 45 Inn Keeper Keffick Carmarthenshire
Hester wife age 52 Keffick
George son age 13 rest born Monkton
Robert Burnet son age 27 married Carpenter
Elizabeth Burnet wife/ dau age 24
Elizabeth Burnet age 3
1841 Monkton
Thomas Williams age 37
Ester age 42
David age 17
Elizabeth age 16
George age 3
Martha Davies age 5
Pam
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Thomas William, farmers son, of Kiffig Parish, married Esther Willy, spinster of Kiffig Parish, in Kiffig Church, Carmarthenshire on 17 April 1824. Both signed their names in the presence of Jonathon Morgan and William Williams. There are no parents names given in the banns.
Esther (Hester) was from Trevaughan, Whitland, which is in Kiffig Parish.
The following children were baptised in Kiffig Church:
David bap. 27 June 1824 - Parkcwm, Kiffig
Elizabeth bap 15 February 1826 - Parkcwm, Kiffig
Sarah bap 27 December 1829 - Amroth Parish.
No record of George c1838.
Rhosgoch
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Hello Pam,
Thank you very much.
I think it was handy having George born Monkton.
Regards,
Fred
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Hello Rhosgoch,
Thank you for the extra info.
No parents listed on death reg for George in Australia:
#19250/1926 WILLIAMS GEORGE 86 YEARS CHATSWOOD
Regards,
Fred
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From my transcription of the Parish Registers of Monkton st Nicholas 1711 to 1930's
Baptism Register ;
27 May 1838 John to Thomas & Hester Williams of Monkton a labourer by Octavius Leach
24 Jan 1840 Elizabeth to Thomas & Hester Williams of Monkton a labouer by O. Leach
09 May 1841 George to Thomas & Hester Williams of Monkton a labourer by O. Leach
24 Dec 1843 Martha to Thomas & Ester Williams of Monkton a labourer by O. Leach
From my research and book on Headstones & Memorials of Monkton St Nicholas, there are no headstones that survive that appear to relate to this family.
Rgds
Owen Ap Benfro
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Hello Orielbenfro,
Thank you very much for the details.
Age at death indicated George was born abt 1840 so it's a little odd he is listed as 3 and 13 in census.
George and family arrived in NSW in Dec 1878. He is listed in shipping record as 38 and a mason. Both parents listed as having died by that date.
I can't be 100% sure I have the right parents. I have the name (common) born abt 1840 in Pembroke and a mason. And his marriage to Emma PRICE daughter of Stephen, Sep Qtr 1862.
Regards,
Fred
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From my transcript of the parish registers of Pembroke St Mary 1711 to the 1930's
Baptism Register
02 Feb 1842 Emma to Stephen & Ann Price of Maiden Wells a Labourer by James Dalton baptised.
(Note this is the only child baptised at St Mary to this couple)
Maidenwells lies just to the south of Pembroke Town, easily seen on google maps.
I believe that Stephen Price had married Ann John in the Pembroke District in the 4th Qtr of 1841. I can confirm the mrge did not take place at St Mary, St Michael or Monkton St Nicholas.
Research shows that an Ann John had been baptised at St Twynnells on the 11th August 1822 to Daniel & Mary John.
Rgds
Owen Ap Benfro
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Research would suggest that Thomas Williams of Nash had married Hester Gibby at Lamphey on the 22 Oct 1836.
(Note Nash, is now more widely shown as "Nash with Upton", and lies easterly of Pembroke and to the north east of Lamphey).
Rgds
Owen Ap Benfro
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Hello Orielbenfro,
Thank you very much.
I believe that 1841 was the first of three marriages for Stephen, the next in Sep Qtr 1848 and the last in Dec Qtr 1865.
Regards,
Fred
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I believe that 1841 was the first of three marriages for Stephen, the next in Sep Qtr 1848 and the last in Dec Qtr 1865.
Fred
So if I understand ~ your believed sequence of events are as follows ;
Stephen Price mrd Ann John 1841
++ Ann is buried 1845 or 1847
(Note ; From my book on the headstones of Park Street Cemetery I note that there is an headstone to an ANN PRICE. The memorial reads : To the memory of / ANN PRICE/ Who departed this life Sept 26th 1841 / Aged 56 Years. This Ann appears to old to be the late wife of Stephen and my research appears to indicate it is the wife of James Price of the Dock)
Stephen Price mrd Margaret Brace 1848
++ Margaret Price buried 1851 or 1858
1861 Stephen resides in Monkton
Post 1861 ~ Stephen moves to Prospect Place P.D.
Stephen Price mrd Elizabeth Griffiths 1865
Stephen & Elizabeth remain in Prospect Place
Stephen Price is buried in plot B. 268 Llanion Cemetery 12 Feb 1895
Elizabeth Price is buried in plot B. 268 Llanion Cemetery 28 Oct 1899
(Note ; Neither Stephen or Elizabeth left a will)
The only other point to be made is that any children after Emma noted are not baptized established church, which would appear to indicate that the family at some point converted to N-C.
Am I anywhere near to your findings ??
Rgds
Owen Ap Benfro
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Hello Orielbenfro,
Thank you very much for looking.
Yes, Ann died 1845 or 1847. I think Margaret died 1858.
I would say Stephen married Elizabeth LEWIS Dec Qtr 1865 Pembroke RD.
I have nothing for Stephen and family after 1871 apart from daughter Emma who ended up in NSW.
1871
RG10 Piece 5517 Folio 52 Page 3
Civil Parish: St Mary Pembroke
Registration District: Pembroke
Stephen Price Head 52 lab Narberth
Elizabeth Wife 54 St Brides
Jane dau 14 Monkton
Mary Ann Lewis step dau 17 Dressmaker Thurton
Regards,
Fred
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Ann Price buried 1845 was only weeks old, Ann Price was buried 14 Oct 1847 aged 38 years old. This must have been at Park Street Cemetery Pemb Dock, however from my book on the Cemetery her headstone does not survive.
Searched Pemb Dock St John for the following with no luck
Stephen Price to Margaret Brace 1848
Stephen Price to Elizabeth Griffiths 1865
Stephen Price to Elizabeth Lewis 1865
Margaret Price buried 1858
Stephen Price buried Feb 1895
Elizabeth Price buried Oct 1899
This leaves me pretty convinced that the Price family are N-C. I had a look at the R.O. holdings of Pembroke Dock N-C., there is nothing which covers the above dates.
Rgds
Owen Ap Benfro
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Hello Orielbenfro,
Thank you for taking the time to look further.
That seems to leave this one with an error in the district and/or the page:
Deaths Sep Qtr 1841
PRICE Ann Pembroke 26 407 ** It's possibly 437 but I can't be sure looking at the images
but it's too early so we have no death reg for Ann.
Marriages Dec Qtr 1865
Griffiths Mary Ann
Lewis Elizabeth Pembroke 11a 1352 ** Image looks like 1352
Rixon William
Marriages Dec Qtr 1865
Griffiths Elizabeth
Jones David
Kelley James
Price Stephen Pembroke 11a 1332 ** Image looks like 1352
Spearman Anne
Regards,
Fred