RootsChat.Com
Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Baxterjm55 on Tuesday 12 November 13 23:36 GMT (UK)
-
I am searching for her Birth/Parents. Mary was born at Peak Hill NSW around 1887. She married Thomas Ingram at Warren on 8 March 1909.
She died in Dubbo in 1981 with the surname Burchett.
Her children, all deceased, were William, Roy and Jessie.
Any help appreciated.
Thank you,
Jeanette
-
Hi Jeanette
Welcome to Rootschat.
Have you tried searching www.bdm.nsw.gov.au
This should give you some more information about her parents and spouse/s.
Cheers
Karenlee
-
NSW Marriage
15121/1928
BURCHETT, HENRY
TRAINOR, MARY L
Registered at SYDNEY
The 1930 electoral roll has Henry and Mary Louisa at Spicer Creek, and from 1937 onwards they are at Dubbo. Henry (Harry) died in 1960. I cannot see a previous marriage for Mary to a TRAINOR.
The 1909 marriage certificate should give parents' names, age, and place of birth.
Debra :)
-
Following on from Deb's info...I am slower these days
Possible birth :-\ :-\
37228/1887
BROWN Mary L
Father Andrew Mother Eliza
District Murrumburrah
Marriages
2782/1909
INGRAM Thomas
BROWNE Mary L
District Warren
15121/1928
BURCHETT Henry
TRAINOR Mary L
District Sydney
Australian Electoral Rolls
1930
BURCHETT Henry Spicer Creek Labourer
BURCHETT Mary Louise Spicer Creek Labourer
1930
BURCHETT Mary Louise 68 Brisbane Street Dubbo HD
1933
BURCHETT Harry 26 Muller Street, Dubbo Labourer
1936, 1937, 1943, 1949, 1954, 1958,
BURCHETT Harry 26 Muller Street Dubbo Labourer
BURCHETT Mary Louise 26 Muller Street Dubbo HD
Death
24465/1960
BURCHETT Harry
Father Jesse Mother Mary
District Dubbo
1963, 1968, 1980
BURCHETT Mary Louise 26 Muller Street Dubbo HD
In NSW you can order transcriptions of certificates which are certainly cheaper than purchasing a certified certificate and the information is the same.
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/bdm_fh.html#transcription
I will have a search of the 1913 NSW Electoral Roll to see if I can find Mary with her first husband.
There is a file for a Thomas INGRAM aged 36 of Dubbo in 1915 on http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/search/index.aspx It has not been digitised but if you wish you could purchase it as the status is Open.
Cando
-
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0wuj/
The Dubbo Liberal and Macquarie Advocate 15 Feb 1921
POLICE COURT
ALLEGED ASSAULT.
Mary Ingram v. Thomas Ingram. The complainant charged the defendant, her husband, with having assaulted her. The case was continued to permit of service of summons.
Cando
-
This item is not available for viewing yet.
INGRAM—LISLE. [coming soon]
The Dubbo Liberal and Macquarie Advocate Friday 20 January 1928 p 8 Article
INGRAM-LISLE.
A pretty wedding took place at Holy Trinity Church last Monday, when John Thomas Ingram, fourth son of Mrs. Ingram, of East Dubbo, was married to Florence Edna Lisle, second daughter of Mrs. Channels, of Urunga, North Coast. Tho Rev. Moore officiated. The 'bride, who was ... 186 words
Cando
-
NSW BDM death
1438/1914 INGRAM male infant parents Mary L DUBBO
1439/1914 INGRAM female infant parents Mary L DUBBO
-
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/76892443?searchTerm=mary ingram dubbo&searchLimits=
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/100883625?searchTerm=mary ingram dubbo&searchLimits=
-
According to her death registration she was 96 years of age so born c1885. I realise these are not in the right area ...
31420/1884
BROWN Mary L
Father Joseph Mother Rachel
District Tweed River
Cando
-
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/76892443?searchTerm=mary ingram dubbo&searchLimits=
This is the same issue as
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0wuj/
Cando
-
Assuming that the Mrs INGRAM in the wedding announcement is your Mary and still known as Mrs INGRAM of Dubbo when her son marries in 1928 but then there is the marriage in 1928 in Sydney. Perhaps it is not your Mary Louise BROWN/E marrying in 1928.
Some certs are needed.
Cando
-
Children born before 1909 marriage so maybe Thomas or Mary already married?
NSW BDM births
19585/1906 INGRAM William T parents Thomas Mary L WELLINGTON
23383/1907 INGRAM Roy parents Thomas Mary COONAMBLE
25637/1910 INGRAM Jessie parents Thomas Mary L COONAMBLE
-
Ah Ted you have added the second link later.... ;)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0wuk/
The Leader, Orange 29 Mar 1913
Thomas Harris and Mary Louisa Ingram pleaded not guilty to a charge of receiving a child aged 2 years from the lawful custody of Catherine Ingham. The Crown Prosecutor said he made inquiries, and the Crown would be satisfied if accused were bound over in their own recognisances to come before any court the Attorney-General might appoint. Both accused were then discharged on these conditions.
Cando
-
Speculating that there MAY (and of course may NOT) be a connection :
NSW ER 1903 CANOBLAS, polling at Peak Hill
Anthony Charles BROWNE overseer Curra Station, Roseneath
Re Curra Station …. relying on grey cells, I think this would probably be known as Murrumbong or Murrambong, on the road out of Wellington that goes to Parkes.
As mentioned earlier by Cando and by Dundee, the NSW BDM marriage cert 1909 (or official transcript) will give you the details that both the bride and the groom provided when being interviewed prior to their marriage. That information includes details about their respective parents…. For example even the maiden name of the bride’s mum… and of course, when and where the bride was born :) and details about the bride's dad too ;D
Cheers, JM
-
This item is not available for viewing yet.
INGRAM—LISLE. [coming soon]
The Dubbo Liberal and Macquarie Advocate Friday 20 January 1928 p 8 Article
INGRAM-LISLE.
A pretty wedding took place at Holy Trinity Church last Monday, when John Thomas Ingram, fourth son of Mrs. Ingram, of East Dubbo, was married to Florence Edna Lisle, second daughter of Mrs. Channels, of Urunga, North Coast. Tho Rev. Moore officiated. The 'bride, who was ... 186 words
Cando
I think this is a different family, son of John and Margaret?
Debra :)
-
Sad death of Roy Australia Ingram (a Dubbo native) in 1930 - mentions Mrs Burchett of Macquarie St is his mother.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article113683484
So she is Mrs Burchett by 1930
Lots more articles on the death ...
regards,
Ros
adding : NSW BDM 4120/1930 INGRAM Roy A, father Thomas, mother Mary, Tamworth
-
This item is not available for viewing yet.
INGRAM—LISLE. [coming soon]
The Dubbo Liberal and Macquarie Advocate Friday 20 January 1928 p 8 Article
INGRAM-LISLE.
A pretty wedding took place at Holy Trinity Church last Monday, when John Thomas Ingram, fourth son of Mrs. Ingram, of East Dubbo, was married to Florence Edna Lisle, second daughter of Mrs. Channels, of Urunga, North Coast. Tho Rev. Moore officiated. The 'bride, who was ... 186 words
Cando
I think this is a different family, son of John and Margaret?
Debra :)
Thanks Debra....didn't try to find out who the son was but now realise any chn of Thomas and Mary would be far too young to be marrying in 1928. :-[ ::)
Cheers
Cando
-
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0wum/
Dubbo Police Court No Committals Before Mr. H. T. Adams, P.M. [coming soon]
The Dubbo Liberal and Macquarie Advocate Tuesday 15 March 1932 p 3
... Henry Burchett was charged, with having a quantity of wheat in his possession on February 12, ... 2689 words
More articles noted as coming soon...
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/result?l-title=188&q=burchett
Cando
-
Jeanette.
Alan from this morning's Wednesday Group writing. Can you please send everyone a comment which gives Feedback to all the people who have so far contributed, so they know if they are on the right track.
Hit "reply" and write your message, then hit "Post" at the bottom of the page.
Information is coming in. They need to know where to go next.
Alan aka "Tom Mix"
-
There is a file for a Thomas INGRAM aged 36 of Dubbo in 1915 on http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/search/index.aspx It has not been digitised but if you wish you could purchase it as the status is Open.
Some very speculative research :)
Birth
23880/1878
INGRAM Thomas
Father John Mother Annie
Distirct Warialda
Death
12180/1915
INGRAM Thomas
Father John Mother Ann
District Granville
I did wonder if you have the 1909 marriage certificate as you know the date of their marriage. If you do have this would you kindly type up all the information to help us to help you ;D
Cheers :)
Cando
-
Thank you everyone for your assistance.
I have the marriage certificate for Mary Louise Brown and Thomas Ingram. Married 8 March 1909 at St John's Church at Warren NSW. Mary was listed as a Spinster. Place of birth being Peak Hill NSW, her age was 22 years. But Mary's parents are listed as: Richard Brown and Mary Uriah Wright.
This is what has me confused. Because I have been unable to find any birth connection to these parents.
Their son William Thomas Ingram born 1906 in Wellington NSW. Is my Grandfather.
Thank you.
Jeanette.
-
Death
24465/1960
BURCHETTHarry
Father Jesse Mother Mary
District Dubbo
Old Dubbo Cemetery:
BURCHETT H, (Harry) d. 13/7/1960. Husband of Dot. AIF Private, 53rd Batt.
Roman Catholic Section L4B; Row 14
WW1 AIF:
http://dhistory.org/archives/naa/items/3166895
DoD on page 35 = 13/07/1960
Birth:
BURCHETT Henry b. 1889 OBERON #15288
Parents: Jesse & Mary
-
Hi Jeanette, Your Richard Brown married Mary Wright at Bathurst in 1878 they had several children at Cowra near Bathurst including an unnamed one in 1883 Ref # 2355/1878. Your Mary Louise may have told a Porky re her age at marriage :-X Some girls have been known to fib about age. :-[ And I sure wouldn't have known where I was born unless someone told me. My BC does have SYDNEY but thats not actually true as it was Camperdown Sydney.
Siblings Born at Cowra include
James 12281/1879
Julia 13256/1881
Arthur 16444/1884 Died 1915
Emily L 18594/1888
Plus the unnamed one in 1883 Possibly your Mary Louise ::)
Neil
-
Your Mary Wright may well be the daughter of Hugh and Bridget Wright who were having having 9 children in the Orange area between 1853 and 1867.
Hugh Wright married Bridget Fahy at Bathurst Kelso Parish RC V1851462 97/1851
Neil
-
The Bathurst Family History Group has 58 entries for the surname WRIGHT in their Pioneer Register (even more popular than the alternative spelling of BROWNE)
http://www.bathurstfhg.asn.au/index.shtml
It is often worthwhile having a search through the familysearch transcriptions https://familysearch.org/ with simply a surname, the location as New South Wales and limiting the years to say a decade or so and then scrolling through to get an overview of where to expect to find a particular family.
Re the 1909 marriage.
May I please ask for the information on the cert re Richard BROWN and Mary Uriah WRIGHT. I am assuming the marriage was C of E rites. I wonder if the cert is showing if either Richard or Mary were still alive at that time. ("dec" or " † " [alt plus 0134] was often noted )
Cheers, JM
-
MARY C WRIGHT Ref # 6365/1856 Parents Hugh and Bridget registered at Orange NSW. --- "Uriah" ??? Normally a boys name I would have thought ::)
Neil
-
Once again, thanks for all your valuable assistance.
Assuming that Richard and Mary Wright are my Mary's parents, then this gives me another link to follow on with.
I still need to establish this link with Birth/Baptism records, to ensure I am following the right family line.
Richard Browne & Mary Uriah Wright were still alive in 1909, there is nothing to indicate any different on Certificate.
Thank you
Jeanette.
-
Hi there,
An official transcription of the birth cert for William BROWN (no "e") registered PEAK HILL, with parents Richard and Mary, should give you the names and ages of his older siblings, and the details for his parents too. #34471. Perhaps Mary Uriah Louise was an older sibling and noted on his bc. I am not sure when the NSW BDM started to handle registrations at Peak Hill rather than expecting these to be made say at Parkes or Dubbo but I suspect it could be somewhere in the mid 1890s.
Yes, the information about the bride's parents is first hand information provided by the bride. Same deal with the groom's details about his parents, that first hand from the groom.
May I please ask you to type up the info from the 1909 mc,
Date and place of marriage
Bridegroom's
full name,
occupation,
place of residence,
conjugal status,
place and date of birth,
age,
father's name and
mother's maiden name
Bride's full name,
occupation,
place of residence,
conjugal status,
place and date of birth,
age,
father's name and mother's maiden name
Married
In the
according to :
And of course
Minister's name
and
the names of the witnesses
Edited to fix error in Mary's middle name
Cheers, JM
-
NSW ER 1878 WELLINGTON
Uriah WRIGHT qualified as a resident, Hawkins' Hill. (in the Wellington Police District)
Too many with surname BROWN and none with BROWNE on that roll, happy to type up if Tom Mix thinks this could help.
I note that a Uriah WRIGHT and his older brother arrived 1876 on the Samuel Plimsoll. They were from Cornwall. I note that a Uriah WRIGHT married in 1887 with Margaret OSBORNE at Blayney (#4382)
Add
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/17225733 SMH 31 Jan 1936, death in WA of Margaret, formerly of Blayney, wife of Uriah WRIGHT
NSW Patent application at NAA for an improved amalgamating pan 1891, Specs by Edward Charlton and Uriah Wright.
Cheers, JM
-
Once again, a big thank you to all, for all the information you have posted.
I still have 2 queries though.
1. If my Mary Browne is possibly the unnamed child b.1888? to Richard Browne & Mary Wright, then at sometime, she would have to be given her name, and that would have to be recorded somewhere.
2. If the other siblings, BDM's are recorded, why not this unnamed child? Any suggestions as how to follow this up.
Many thanks,
Jeanette.
-
Once again, a big thank you to all, for all the information you have posted.
I still have 2 queries though.
1. If my Mary Browne is possibly the unnamed child b.1888? to Richard Browne & Mary Wright, then at sometime, she would have to be given her name, and that would have to be recorded somewhere.
2. If the other siblings, BDM's are recorded, why not this unnamed child? Any suggestions as how to follow this up.
Many thanks,
Jeanette.
Hi Jeanette,
There's actually quite a lot of reasons for flaws in the NSW BDM indexes. But it is important to remember that the names/ages of all the older siblings are expected to be found on their younger siblings NSW birth certs, INCLUDING on official transcriptions.
The indexes that you find online, are actually based on volunteers transcribing the old registers. These volunteers were doing that in the 1930s, so were already dealing with practical issues surrounding deteriorating paper, bleeding ink, smudges, torn pages, missing pages etc etc etc. PLUS of course, the usual reminder that every time someone transcribes handwritten records, there's every possibility that there will be a typo in their transcribed work.
The system re civil birth registrations dates from 1856. In the rural areas, in the 1880s and 1890s the informant (usually father or mother, but others could do this) had a limited timeframe to report the birth to a deputy registrar (a part time position, often part of a sherriff's duties or other court house official) Each quarter that Deputy was meant to handwrite (pre typewriters) their returns (births, deaths, marriages) and forward that by ordinary mail to the Registrar General in Sydney. The Registrar General of course was responsible for much more than just BDMs.
If a rural area had not had any BDMs registered, there was NO provision for a "Nil return" to be forwarded. So if HQ did not get a form from a Dep. Registrar then no one in Sydney thought to follow this up. They still provided the meagre funds for the part time position regardless.
On the other hand, the diligent Dep Registrar in a rural district had NO way of knowing if his ordinary mail to Sydney BDM's HQ had actually been received there. And even if it had, IF it was all fine, legible, not water damaged etc etc etc.
So, a baby who was not yet named, needed to be registered regardless. Often it is considered to be indicating that one of the parents was working away, and had not yet been consulted, or if the informant was NOT yet aware of the name ..... Sometimes the informant was the midwife, other times it was one of the older siblings, or one of the locals all trying to make sure that the baby's parents would not be penalised for not getting their baby registered.
The family search website seems to have some volunteers working on various NSW parish registers covering the second half of the 19th century. So it may well pay you to regularly check there to see if you can find Richard and Mary Uriah BROWN/e and their children's possible baptisms.
May I stress that I am happy to search through my own NSW records collections for each of the people named on the 1909 marriage at Warren. And on the other hand, I do understand if you prefer not to type up the details.
Cheers, JM
-
Once again, a big thank you to all, for all the information you have posted.
I still have 2 queries though.
1. If my Mary Browne is possibly the unnamed child b.1888? to Richard Browne & Mary Wright, then at sometime, she would have to be given her name, and that would have to be recorded somewhere.
2. If the other siblings, BDM's are recorded, why not this unnamed child? Any suggestions as how to follow this up.
Many thanks,
Jeanette.
As to your questions.
1. Why did it have to be recorded somewhere, If it were and they were religious believers then they more than likely had the child baptised and it was named on that. If not then it's not recorded except what she calls herself at marriage. There is no legal requirement to have any fixed first/christian name.
2. Sometimes children are named for a deceased relative IE(grandmother) or someone, should they not be deceased, I remember my mother saying about an "Old Wives Tale" and she was full of them. That nameing a child premature to the death of their sponsor brought back luck and caused the death of that person. ::) ??? Maybe they were waiting on the demise of someone close before a christening?
If you go to NSW BDM. http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/bdm_fh.html Go to Births and deaths put Brown in as surname and unnamed in a first name and the years between 1800 -1900 you will find 61 little Brown's without a name on the records :o
Cheers Neil ;)
Wegh Argh Snap or something JM ;D
-
This is the marriage certificate for Thomas Ingram & Mary Louise Browne, you requested.
Thank you,
Jeanette
Date and place of marriage 8th March 1909
Warren (St John’s Church)
Bridegroom's
full name, Thomas Ingram
occupation, Labourer
place of residence, Ringarah
conjugal status, Bachelor
place and date of birth, Moree NSW
age, 33 Years
father's name and John Ingram
mother's maiden name Kate Buckley
Bride's full name, Mary Louise Browne
occupation, Home Duties
place of residence, Ringarah
conjugal status, Spinster
place and date of birth, Peak Hill NSW
age, 22 Years
father's name Richard Browne
mother's maiden name Mary Uriah Wright
Married
In the
according to : Church of England
And of course
Minister's name (Celebrant) J.A. Poole
and
the names of the witnesses C.A. Roberts & I. Poole
Edited to fix error in Mary's middle name
.
-
Sharing some thoughts, from the info on the mc.
:) Was Ringarah a sheep run on a Crown Lease etc…. or is it a general locality (checked, not found at google maps, but can find it mentioned at TROVE eg SMH 19 April 1928, Ringarah Station, at Quambone, manager aged 33 years has died; Orange Leader 6 Sept 1916, 9000 sheep from Ringarah moved 80 miles (instead of only a few miles) for shearing at Buttabone shed, due to Warren River flooding; and Freeman’s Journal 29 Sept 1906, “Ringarah, belonging to Hills Bros., Sydney, )
:) The bride may have been living in the main homestead at Ringarah, perhaps with her parents as part of the station’s employees as her occupation is “home duties”
:) I Poole likely to be related to the Rev.
:) The groom likely to be an employee at Ringarah
:) Where would there be extant records about Ringarah from about 100 years ago. (Jeanette, perhaps Tom Mix would be able to advise on this)
Sands 1909 Country Alphabetical Directory (of NSW):
BROWNE
H.E. & Co, store at Moss Vale
Andrew S, JP, Kurri
Claude S, physician, Tumut
FA, Auctioneer, Agent, Germanton
J.W. newspaper prop, Tumbarumba
Mrs M, dressmaker, Casino
Thos., mon. mason, Singleton and West Maitland
W L, photographer, Dubbo
W, president, Burrangong Shire Council, Young.
BROWN
R, JOURNALIST, Lismore
RP, Clerk of Petty Sessions and Registrar BMD, Carcoar ;D ;D (JM notes, likely he sent his returns in !)
Rev Canon R Barry, C of E, Wellington
RE, dentist, Canbelego
RJ, bookbinder, Goulburn
POOLE
Rev John A (C of E) Warren
ROBERTS
Many listed, but NONE at Warren, and NONE as CA Roberts.
Sands 1909 Pastoral Directory
COONAMBLE PASTURES PROTECTION BOARD (included Warren, but do I have ‘right’ PP district)
BROWNE
JA, at Wycombe, Coonamble 18 Horses, 32 Cattle, 2450 sheep
Wallace, at Gilgooma, Coonamble 9 horses, 12 cattle, 968 sheet
JT, at Whittonbri, Coonamble 4 horses, 10 Cattle, 1876 sheep
BUT no sighting of a property or a locality “Ringarah” in that PP district (I also looked at earlier Sands Pastoral Directories, alas, nothing) May I suggest you consult with Tom Mix re any offline resources or contacts in any of the many Central West NSW family history/historical societies/groups. Often these groups exchange their inhouse papers with each other for the benefit of their members.
Here’s the link to the 1906 mention
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/108027786
“Butterbone, Grahway Willie and Ringarah, belonging to Hill Bros, Sydney, with eleven artesian bores on their runs…. “
The NSW SRO has many indexes re Land, and perhaps you may find BROWNE or Ringarah mentioned in these indexes
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/indexes-online/indexes-to-land-records
Cheers, JM
-
Hi
I would be interested in the child born 1888 to Richard and Mary named Emily L ( she may have been known as Mary)
Muss
-
Hi
Was Mary also known as Dot ? http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/132630705?searchTerm=Burchett mary dubbo&searchLimits=
Muss
-
Was Mary also known as Dot ? http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/132630705?searchTerm=Burchett mary dubbo&searchLimits= (http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/132630705?searchTerm=Burchett mary dubbo&searchLimits=)
Possibly... see my reply #21 above ^
-
Yes, Mary was also known as Dot. I remember seeing this somewhere. Mary Louise Dorothy Browne. I will check back through my records.
Thanks.
Jeanette.
-
Hi there,
I am not sure if the Richard BROWNE/BROWN mentioned in the following cuttings would be your chap, but the cuttings are about a mystery surrounding the sudden death of a chap of that name. He had been transferred by the police from Wellington to Parramatta.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/72303714 Northern Star 12 June 1914
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/85964919 Cumberland Argus 13 June 1914
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/15520394 SMH 3 July 1914 (he was aged 60)
The NSW Coroner’s Inquest Index shows this chap as born Victoria, aged 60, and that the verdict was left open.
There are a number of submitted trees showing Richard Brown (no e) married to Mary Wright at Bathurst 1878. One has his death at Parramatta 1914, and with children as:
1879, James
1881 Julia Elizabeth
1883 Unnamed
1885 Arthur T
1888 Emily L
1891 Bridget E
1892 Susanna
1894 Samuel
1896 John Lawrence
1898 Michael
1900 William
1903 Ernest
Mary WRIGHT is given as born 8 May 1858, and that in 1917 she re-married to Henry W HILDRED at Wellington.
Richard BROWN is given as born Melbourne about 1854
Like so many submitted trees, there’s very little supporting information regarding sources for any of the above. There is however a photo that the tree owner has boted as being of Richard Brown.
Another of the submitted trees has uploaded the NSW BDM’s death cert (7698/1914)
Richard BROWN, DD 9 June 1914, Hospital for the Insane, Municipality of Parramatta NSW
Rabbit Trapper, Male, 60 years; parents as Charles Brown, Labourer and Mary Connor
Richard married Bathurst NSW to Mary Wright
Informant : TWO are listed ….. the Manager for the Hospital and also the Coroner at Parramatta.
He was buried C of E, Rookwood, 12 June 1914. The death was registered 13 June 1914. . The Coroner’s Inquest dates of 30 June 1914, and 2 & 3 July 1914 are noted on the dc. The cause of death is detailed on the DC. The informants did not provide details of the children of the marriage.
A submitted tree has Mary Brown as remarrying in 1917 to Henry HILDRED
NSW BDM has Mary BROWN marrying Henry William HILDRED #2431 of 1917
NSW BDM has Mary HILDRED’s death as registered Wellington, #2984 of 1937 (her children by Richard Brown ought to be named on this certificate).
From the 1917 mc uploaded to a submitted tree
Henry William HILDRED, Widower, born Goulburn NSW, a Shire Employee, 49, of Wellington NSW (son of William George Hildred (dec) a Labourer and Charlotte MARCH
Mary BROWN, Widow, born Bathurst NSW, domestic duties, 47, of Wellington NSW (dau of Samuel WRIGHT, labourer (dec) and Bridget COYLE (dec)
Married 3 Feb 1917, at residence of Mrs Brown, Lee St, Wellington, by W Arthur Burns, Methodist.
Mary and Henry made their X marks. The witnesses were James BROWN and Mary Emma ROLLS.
Cheers, JM
-
Hi
May or may not help http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=davcripp&id=I2820
Muss
-
Hi Jeanette,
Do you have any details about the 1928 marriage for Mary L Trainor that Dundee found? The surname is showing as Trainer on the link that muss mentions.
15121/1928
BURCHETT, HENRY
TRAINOR, MARY L
Registered at SYDNEY
and
May or may not help http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=davcripp&id=I2820
I am increasingly concerned that the lass married at Warren 1909 may not be the same lass as married in Sydney 1928. (Mary Louise BROWNE would have been 41 in 1928, and the tree has a child born of the BURCHETT - TRAINER marriage)
Cheers, JM
-
Hi jm,
Providing her birth year is around 1887 then that would be correct. No sorry I don't have an actual marriage cert for that. Info of ancestry, which show's a child born to them - marked private.
Thanks.
Jeanette.
-
Hi Jeanette,
From your Opening Post we know that you know
:) Mary Louise died as BURCHETT in 1981
:) Mary Louise married at Walgett 1909 to Thomas INGRAM
;D May I please ask what information you have to show that the Mary Louise who married Thomas INGRAM is the same lass who married Henry BURCHETT,
and if so,
;D do you have any information as to how she seemingly become Mary Louise TRAINER in between INGRAM and BURCHETT?
Cheers, JM
-
William T INGRAM birth registered 1906 at Wellington (#19585) to Thomas and Mary L
Roy INGRAM birth registered 1907 at Coonamble (#23383) to Thomas and Mary
Jessie INGRAM birth registered 1910 (#25637) at Coonamble to Thomas and Mary L
Roy A INGRAM death registered 1930 (#4120) at Tamworth to Thomas and Mary
Coroner’s Inquest Index has 15 Jan 1930, Roy Australia INGRAM aged 22, born Coonamble. This is the lad who was the son of Mrs Burchett at Dubbo.
Sad death of Roy Australia Ingram (a Dubbo native) in 1930 - mentions Mrs Burchett of Macquarie St is his mother. http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article113683484
Cheers, JM
-
Hi jm,
I have a death cert for Mary Louise Burchett d. 1981 Dubbo.
On that cert is shows Married 1. William Ingram at Bourke NSW. Children: William dec, Roy dec, Jessie 71 years. Married 2. Harry Burchett At Dubbo NSW.
The informant was daughter Jessie Ingram.
Johnston, Rooney, Anne's and Woods - Family trees on Ancestry. All have same documents.
Thanks.
Jeanette.
-
Hi Jeanette,
Alan from the Wednesday group writing. Getting you on RootsChat has certainly opened up a multitude of possibilities.
I hope this is not a red herring but when we first started chasing the elusives, I found:
NSW State Records:
Mary Louisa Wright age 7 Randwick Asylum and therefore would be 27 when Mary Louise Browne
was born.
Dated 15/1/1868
Does anyone think this can be a connection ?
Also, we found an Alphonsus Trainor born 1910 in Coonamble and dying 1927 in Canowindra.
A Mary Trainor then marries in 1928.
Alphonsus married & dead by age 17 !!
Thank goodness there are more perspective people than me who are helping.
See you Wednesday morning, maybe.
Alan
-
Hi Alan,
Thank you so much for your assistance, very much appreciated.
I feel sure that with every ones help and input, I will track down my Mary Louise Browne.
I am exploring and following up on a couple of other bits of info.
Thanks.
Jeanette.
-
I just wanted to keep you informed as to my progress.
I have sent for the Full Transcription - Death Certificate - for Mary Wright/Brown/Hildred.
I am hoping this will finally give me the answers to which I am seeking.
Thanks.
Jeanette.
-
Hi There,
I have been researching for my family tree. Mary Louise Ingram was my great grandmother and Thomas Ingram was my great grandfather.
After reading the posts my research has been fairly accurate however there are some gaps with my father and his siblings. I have been told that on the Browne and Ingram sides I have ancestry to the Warajiri indigenous people of the area and need any help finding this link and the link is with Mary Louise. I have a family tree on my heritage and some info on wikitree.
As the information is sensitive it has probably been covered up but I am determined to find my heritage.
This would make you, Jeanette my great aunt I think :)
Look forward to hearing from you.
Susan
-
Jeanette,
Alan from the Heads Group,
If you re still connecting, please consider an email to SCOULTER.
Could open up a great deal of information.
Alan
-
Hi Susan,
Welcome to rootschat :)
I'm sorry that no-one else has welcomed you or replied to your post.
Hopefully Jeanette will be along soon ... she should have been notified of your post. It would be lovely if you two can connect and exchange information. Maybe Alan can facilitate this,
Ros
-
Hi Ross,
Thank you, I hope that we can connect too.
I appreciate your reply.
Cheers,
Sue
-
To explain,
I met Jeanette while volunteering at a senior citizens computer group. I have not seen her for more than a year and my only contact with her is through this forum. As you see from my posting yesterday, I am encouraging her to get in contact with Scoulter. I hope she does.
Alan
-
:) Jeanette has not been online since February this year, and as per her profile she has not posted on any thread since December 2014:
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=220394
As Scoulter has now made to two posts Sue/Susan should be able to use all the facilities of RootsChat and be able to send a Private Message to Jeanette. :D
Scoulter, RChat is a great place for help with any of your family history enquiries. I have quite a few offline resources for NSW in the era from first settlement through to WWII, particularly for rural/regional/remote NSW.
You mention Indigenous background ... there is an RChatter here who may have information or tips or clues for some of your quest : https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=524347.0 I realise Warren is not Armidale or New England, but the original poster may well have some tips to help.
JM
-
Thank you for this information.
I have sent Jeanette a private message asking her if she would like to connect.
I appreciate your help, I am not good with forums, have not used before so
takes me a while to figure things out....lol ;D
Anyway thanks again and I will follow up on the info on the link.
Cheers,
Sue
-
I asked Jeanette to initiate this post. I have lost contact with her. Privacy forbids me to say more than we are in the Shoalhaven of NSW.
I hope she responds.
Could be a real breakthrough.
Alan
-
Hello,
I’d love to connect with you Sue and Jeanette if possible regarding Mary Louise Burchett.
My email is *
Kind Regards,
Brandi McGuire
*Moderator comment: personal e-mail address removed in accordance with RootsChat general practice and guidance to prevent others spamming or abusing it. Please use the personal message system to exchange e-mail addresses. New members may need to make two or three posts in order to access the system. Thanks :)