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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Dumfriesshire => Topic started by: Homers on Sunday 17 November 13 01:09 GMT (UK)
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Hi everyone, I am in N.Z. and trying to research my family roots. Does anyone have any information that may assist in my quest please!!
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Hi Homers , welcome to RootsChat :)
There are a few children baptised at Annan to parents with those names in the 1840's.
Is that the correct family ?
Can you tell us what you have already ?
ev
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Hi and welcome
An interesting family on the 1851:
Whinnyrigg Tile Works, Annan
James Currie, 42, Tile burner, b. Ochiltree, Ayrshire
Jane, w , 36, b. Dailly, Ayrshire
William, s, 16, b.Kilmarnock
Jane, d, 12, b. do
Robert, s, 10, b. do
Adam, s, 8, b. Mauchline, Ayrshire
Charles, s, 6, b. Annan
Janet, d, 3, b. do
Margaret, d, 3 mths, b. do
Children down to Charles are listed as tile makers!
This fits with marriage/banns in Kilmarnock and Dailly (20 and 24 May 1831) for James Currie and Jane Sloan.
This could be the family. Some of my D & G ancestors married into Ayrshire families.
Gadget
Added - I think the last 3 children might well be the ones that ev has found.
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Hi ev,
Thanks for your reply. Not sure where to start, so here goes.....
G Grandmother - Agnes Irving Currie B:21 May 1882, Glasgow, and according to my fathers B Cert. she was 23 when my father born in N.Z., (hence unable to find on Scottish census). Agnes died in N.Z.1948.
GG Grandfather Charles Currie B:1844 died N.Z. 1911, Wife Jane, GG Grandmother B:1851 died N.Z.1902. From other Family I understand they married 1st January 1875, Kirkpatrick Fleming.
Charles' parents - James Currie/Jane Sloan.
Jane's parents - Francis Irving/Agnes Irving (Clark), according to Jane's Death Cert., and shows Francis as having been born and married in Kirkpatrick, having resided in N.Z. for 15 years (in1902) when Jane died. According to the death cert. 6 living children, 3 male & 3 female. Their son Frank Currie is buried with them in N.Z.
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Hi Gadget, thanks for the welcome..
I find this all a little daunting as my father never discussed his family at all and it would appear nor did his siblings talk to their families, so we are a little lost. If you see the post to "ev" you may pick up on something...here's hoping we can fill in some of the gaps. There are no surviving children of Charles and Jane Currie so as you can see we do face a few problems. However we will plug on and with a little help we may reach some conclusions... Here's hoping.
Thanks all.
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This looks like Charles b 1844 with his parents
1851: Whinnyriggs Tile Works, Annan, Dumfriesshire
James Currie 42 Tile Burner. Born Ayrshire
Jane Currie 36 Wife, Born Dailly, Ayrshire
William Currie 16 Son. Born Kilmarnock, Ayrshire
Jane Currie 12 Dau Born Kilmarnock
Robert Currie 10 Son. Born Kilmarnock
Adam Currie 8 b Mauchline
**Charles Currie 6 SON Born ANNAN
Jannet Currie 3 dau born Annan
Margaret Currie 3 Mo b Annan
At 1861, Jane is widowed
Donkins Cottage, Middlebie, Dumfriesshire
Name Age
Jane Currie 49
William Currie 26
Robert Currie 24
Jane Currie 23
Adam Currie 19
**Charles Currie 17
Jessie Currie 13
Margaret Currie 10
Agnes Currie 7 Dau Born KIrkpatrick Fleming
James Waugh 11 Mo
Charles at 1881:
Kinning Park, Glasgow
Name Age
**Charles Currie 36 b Annan
Jane Currie 29 b Kirkpatrick Fleming
Rollo I Currie 13 dau b Kirkpatrick Fleming * Rolla Irving. Jane's own daughter b 19 Mar 1868
James Currie 5 son b Kirkpatrick Fleming
Frank I Currie 3 son b Govan
Albert C Currie 1 son b Govan
* Rolla Irving Currie married Charles Saywell Tarrant in NZ 1891
Your note said that Jane had 6 children, 3 males and 3 females.
All 3 sons are on 1881 return
Rolla and Agnes born 1882 make 2 daughters. 1 daughter is still unaccounted for.
She was possibly younger than Agnes .
EDIT: Apologies to Gadget.
I just realised that you posted the same 1851 return
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Irving family prior to Jane's marriage to Charles Currie marriage:
1841 Woodhouse, Kirkpatrick Fleming
**Frances Irving 45 Farmer ??
William Irving 20
Jannet Smith 15
Grace Robinson 20
David Holliday 25
1851: Nether Woodhouse, Kirkpatrick Fleming
Name Age
Frances Irving 50 Farmer b Kirkpatrick Fleming
Agnes Irving 33 Wife b Kirkpatrick Fleming
William Irving 18 Son
Agnes Irving 2 Dau
James Bell 22
Robert Gordon 17
Mary Graham 19
1861:Wicketsholm, Kirkpatrick Fleming
Francis Irving 65 Retired Farmer
Agnes Irving 62
Agnes Irving 13
Jane Irving 9
Margaret Irving 2
1871 : 7 Wickethorn, Kirkpatrick
Agness Irving 52 widow. B Dornock, Dumfries
Agness Irving 23
Jane Irving 19
Margaret Irving 12
Rollo Irving 3
1881:Wickethorn
Age
Agnes Irving 62
Agnes Irving 33
Isabella Irving 9 Grand daughter
Francis Irving 4 Grandson
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Hi again :)
It does look as if the 1851 family is yours! Here they are in 1841:
Glaisnock Smithy, Old Cumnock, Ayrshire
James Currey, 25, tile maker
Jane, 25
James, 5
William, 3
Thomas, 6 mths
All born Ayrshire
On the 1841 those of 15 and over were grouped into 5 year age bands, so 25 would be anyone between 25 and 29.
I've not found suitable baptisms for James and Jane so far but will have another look. I have the Monumental inscriptions for parts of Ayshire and will look there also.
The banns of 1831 that I referred to (Kilmarnock and Dailly (20 and 24 May 1831) for James Currie and Jane Sloan.) might also give some clues - I'll see what I can find
Gadget
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Some more
I've found the death of Jane Currie, m.s. Sloan ~
Hutchesontown, Glasgow, 29 Nov 1880
Jane Currie, widow of James Currie, contractor. Aged 60.
Parents - William Sloan, farm servant and Jane M.S. McKinna. Both deceased.
Cause of death - Gastritis and Peritonitis, cert. by W Forrest, surgeon.
Informant - Margaret McGibbon, daughter (present)
Gadget
Added - I wouldn't worry too much about Jane's age on death cert - Margaret probably just made an estimate!
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......and some more relating to Charles' sister Margaret:
Margaret Currie married Adam McGibbon in Hutchesontown, Glasgow in 1878
In 1881:
45 Florence Street, Govan
In household of Robert Hosie:
Adam McGibbon, b in l, 24, mason, b. Annan
Margaret McGibbon, s in l, 27, b. Annan
George McGibbon, newly born, b. Glasgow
Gadget
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Gadget: Thank you, you have been really helpful.
I guess this will all unravel itself one day... so much information to digest...Thanks.
It is all pretty hard trying to work from the other side of the world, not knowing the counties/district structures etc. and just where to start so this has been really great.
I guess it's just as well I am retired and can spend some time piecing this puzzle together!!!!!
Homers
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annep5892: Hi and thanks for your postings, I will work through information that I have received and see how I go piecing it all together.
Regarding the piece about Charles Saywell Tarrant, I can remember going with my parents to a "Tarrant" home as a younger child in my parents home town of Feilding, N.Z. and asked my older sister today if she could remember also. She and I both remembered where they lived, neither can remember his name but think his wife was Nellie! So interesting.. our father rarely spoke on family matters with us!! Thanks.
homers.
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James Currie's death
16 July 1857, Kirkpatrick Fleming
James Currie, tilemaker, 57
Parents - William Currie, farmer and Ann M.S. Train (deceased)
(so William still alive?)
Cause - disease of the heart (years).
buried in Kirkpatrick Fleming Churchyard
Informant - William Currie, son
Gadget
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This might be them in 1841:
Roadend, Ochiltree
William Currie, 70
Ann, 70
Robert, 30
Margaret, 11
all b. ayrshire
And 1851
Roadend, Ochiltree
William Currie, widower, 78, farmer of 6 acres, b. Ochiltree
Robert, son, unm, ag lab, b. do (added - forgot to enter Robert's age :-[ He was 41)
Jane, grdd, unm, 26, house servant, b. do
Got to go to hardresser's now - will look for more when I get back ;D
Gadget
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Some children of William Currie and Ann Train on Familysearch (searched from 1790 to 1820)
Coylton bpt - 27 March 1803 William
Ochiltree births
18 Nov 1795 - John
10 June 1798 - James
7 July 1806 - Margaret
15 August 1809 - Robert
26 May 1812 - John (first one probably died)
Gadget
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Back one more generation:
William Currie, widower, died at Roadend, Ochiltree on 17th December 1858, aged 88.
Parents - Adam Currie, ag lab, and Janet m.s. Tinnock. Both deceased
Cause - Gradual decay - 18 months.
He was buried at Ochiltree churchyard.
His son Robert was the informant.
So he did outlive James.
Gadget
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It is all pretty hard trying to work from the other side of the world, not knowing the counties/district structures etc. and just where to start so this has been really great.
A couple of parish maps for you:
Ayrshire - http://www.scotlandsfamily.com/parish-map-ayr.htm
Dumfriesshire - http://www.scotlandsfamily.com/parish-map-dumfries.htm
:)
Gadget
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This might be of help to you - the family in New Zealand. It's correct as far as I know. Regards, Leonie
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Charles Currie * b 6/4/1844 Annan, Dumfriesshire
Emigrated 1887???
Religion: Brethren
Occupation: Sawyer
d 14/9/1911 (NZ) chopping wood, (recorded at Heart Disease) in Prince Street, Feilding
Buried in the Feilding Cemetery
m Jane Irving ** b 29/4/1851 Kirkpatrick-Fleming, Dumfriesshire
Religion Brethren
m 1/1/1875
at Kirkpatrick-Fleming, Annan, Dumfries
Lived Kinning Park, Glasgow - 1881 Census
d 17/8/1902 of Cardiac Disease, Feilding, New Zealand
(did she go blind some years prior to this?)
Buried in the Feilding Cemetery
children:
Rollo Currie (formerly Irving) b 19/3/1868 Kirkpatrick-Fleming
(now a Currie - Jane's daughter)
d 23/5/1904
m 1891
to Charles S Tarrant
children:
Ermgarde (Giddie) b 10/1/1892
d 1970
m Ben Jacobsen:
children:
Betty b 8/1/1915
Audrey b 31/3/1920
Frank I b 20/4/1893
d 12/12/1918
(died from disease - in action)
Nellie b 25/11/1894
d 12/8/1944
Charles J b 28/11/1896
Rollo (Dolly) b 3/6/1899
Ivy May b 20/5/1904
James b c 1876 Kirkpatrick-Fleming
d ??
Frank J b 19/11/1878 Govan, Glasgow
d 17/10/1902 Wanganui Hospital, New Zealand
Albert C b 6/10/1879 Govan, Glasgow
d 18/3/1943
Religion Brethren
Lived Dannevirke
m Beatrice E Williams
children:
Norman C b 2/4/1906
Eveline E b 19/1/? -
Mavis B b 30/10/1910 or 1911
Agnes Irving b 21/5/1882 Kinning Park, Glasgow
d 3/8/1948 Feilding, New Zealand
m 1905
to Henry (Harry) Simpson
children:
George H b 1905
d 1987
m Mari McKay
children:
Elaine M
Grahame K
Beryl E
Russell W
Fanny Elsie b 1907
d 1981
m Harry Sowerby
Mabel b 1912
d 1974
m William Osborne
children:
Pauline
Jenny (twin of John)
John (twin of Jenny)
David
Eric L b 1916
d 1978
m Eliza Swallow
children:
Moreen
Lorraine
Shirley
Trevor
Brett
Kathleen
Lesley
Barbara
Jean I b 1919
d 2009
m Eric Jefferies
Children:
Susan
Zena
Janice
Marcia
Adriane
Terrence
Paul
Sandra
Phyllis R b 1923
d 1983
m P William Ramsay
Children:
Glenn
Wayne
Peter
George Coulthard
b 16/2 /1886 (Glasgow, Scotland)
d 5/6/1916 (killed in action - Armentieres, France)
Occupation Ironmonger, McFarland & Co, Wanganui
Religion Church of England
Ellen (Nellie) (The only one of Charles and Jane's children born in New Zealand)
b 5/1/1889 (Makino Road, Feilding)
d 12/2/1959 (Christchurch)
m 22/2/1909 at Feilding
m Henry William Taylor
Lived 3 Pirie Road, Palmerston North
Church Street, Palmerston North
Hazeldine Road, Christchurch
Roseberry Street, Christchurch
children:
Maisie b 1909
m Duncan Geddis Collie
children:
Glenys b 1937
Vivienne b 1943
Gillian b 1945
Iris Muriel b 1911
d 2004
m John Duncan Litten
children:
Shona b 1940
Lynley b 1942
Jacqueline b 1943
Léonie b 1948
Aubrey Lindo b 1913
d 1977
m Lurline Grace Leslie
children:
George b 1943
Shirley b 1948
Jean b 1915
d 2008
Inez Doreen b 1916
d 2010
m Carson Linton Stevens
children:
Adrienne b 1943
Jennifer b 1945
Rosemary b 1949
Léonie Gladys b 1917
b 8/1/1928 d 2004
m Peter Norman Ewing
George Lockhart b 1920
d Benghazi, 25 April 1942
(killed in action WWII)
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I'm also holding an old birthday book and these names appear:
Beverley Jacobsen b 8/1/1928
August (or Auguste) Currie 26/7/?
Mavis Currie b 30/10/1910
Does anyone know how they fit into our family.
I look forward to reading your replies.
Kind regards
Leonie Litten
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I think Mavis Currie is the daughter of Albert C Currie b 6/10/1878 in Govan, Glasgow. Mother would be Beatrice E Williams.
Nan
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There are two more children of William Currie and Ann Train that Gadget did not mention. They are:
Adam Currie 9 Jun 1793, Stair, Ayrshire
Charles Currie born 1801 or 1802 also in Stair, Ayrshire. William Currie and Ann Train, were named as parents on his death certificate in 1881.
Is there anyone else researching this Currie family? I'd love to hear from you.
Regards, Nan
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There are two more children of William Currie and Ann Train that Gadget did not mention. They are:
Adam Currie 9 Jun 1793, Stair, Ayrshire
Charles Currie born 1801 or 1802 also in Stair, Ayrshire. William Currie and Ann Train, were named as parents on his death certificate in 1881.
Is there anyone else researching this Currie family? I'd love to hear from you.
Regards, Nan
Well, you're getting close now. My gt.gt.gt. grandfather was James Currie. His daughter Agnes Currie was born 1818 and was a servant in the Manse at Coylton in 1841 when she met and married my gt.gt.grandfather John Draffan there. I think James Currie married Jean Dobbie on 13 November 1807 in Tarbolton. Stair is halfway between Tarbolton and Coylton.
So we might be on a converging track. Malcolm
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James Currie the son of William Currie and Ann Train was born 10 Jun 1798 in Ochiltree, Ayrshire and baptized there on 17 Jun 1798 according to the IGI. As already stated above he married Jane Sloan 1 Jan 1875 in Kirkpatrick Fleming Dumfries. I cannot find a date of birth for Jane Sloan in the IGI.
Malcolm, what is the date of birth for your James? There are many James Curries in Ayrshire. I saw the marriage of a James Currie and Jean Dobbie but could never figure out where that James belonged.
confused......
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Hello Litten,
Thank you for posting the information on the Curries in NZ. We are very distantly related. I had traced Charles Currie to NZ but hadn't gone any further. His father James was the brother of my 3x great grandfather William. I can go back a few more generations I believe. Adam Currie and Janet Tinnock were William's parents as already mentioned. Further back is difficult to prove but I have found what I think is Adam's baptism. If interested please contact me.
Regards, Nan
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Malcolm, what is the date of birth for your James? There are many James Curries in Ayrshire. I saw the marriage of a James Currie and Jean Dobbie but could never figure out where that James belonged.
confused......
Hi Nan, It is so many years since I last searched for James Currie, but I'm sure that I was never able to identify his birth at that time. Stewarton rings a bell as one of the locations I thought possible. I have Jean Dobbie's birth down as 1780 but not sure where I got that from now. It seems that they had children - James 1808, Barbara 1810, John 1812, David 1814, Jean (?), and Agnes my gt.gt.grandmother born 1818.
Agnes married John Draffan in 1841 and their first son was named George, but then next son was named James Currie Draffan, born 1846. There is a photograph of him and his 'intended' on this page - http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=657046.msg5029665#msg5029665 with some wonderful restorations which are now treasured.
The Currie name continued as my grandfather named his eldest son James Currie Draffan - my late Uncle Jim.
Anyway you have stirred me into looking once more into our Currie line - there has to be a connection somewhere, for Ochiltree, Stewarton, Tarbolton, Stair and Coylton all fall within a rather small triangle. Malcolm
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Now that I have started looking again for my James and Jean Currie, I've noticed something interesting. I had always thought that Agnes only went to Coylton from wherever to work in the Manse. However I now see that although James and Jean were married in Tarbolton in 1807, their first two children James and Barbara were born in Coylton but all the rest including Agnes herself were born in Tarbolton. I know that Coylton though a very small village at that time, was mainly occupied by weavers and that is what two of my Draffan's were doing there, although they came from Douglas.
Robert Burns loved the area and his poem "The Soldier's Return" is set in Coylton:
"And for fair Scotia, hame again,
I cheery on did wander;
I thought upon the banks o’ Coil,
I thought upon my Nancy,
And ay I mind’t the witching smile
That caught my youthful fancy.
At length, I reach’d the bonie glen,
Where early life I sported;
I pass’d the mill and trysting thorn,
Where Nancy aft I courted;
Wha’ spied I but my ain dear maid,
And turn’d me round to hide the flood
That in my e’en was swelling."
Nancy is a diminutive for Agnes. I found a fantastic old sketch of the Mill on the net, but the Trysting Thorn is now a new growth from a root of the old tree.
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The same names in the Currie families are definitely repeating and not only that but they are all in Coylton. For example, Adam Currie and Janet Guthrie also had a daughter they named Barbara but in 1818, whereas the Barbara born to James Currie and Jean Dobbie was baptised in Coylton in 1810, before that family moved to Tarbolton. The IGI Batch numbers for baptisms and marriages in Coylton bring up many more Currie's than I had suspected, even a William Currie. Earliest is a Hugh Currie who married there in 1748, but then there is a long gap to the early 1800's.
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Hi Malcolm,
I believe the William born 1803 in Coylton was a son of William Currie and Ann Train. The Adam Currie who was born in 1793 and baptized in Stair and who later married Janet Guthrie was
another son. You are right that there were many Curries in Ayrshire. I wonder if there still are. So many pulled up stakes and sailed off to other countries.
It's difficult to sort out the Ayrshire Curries because of the repetition of names and their move from one village to another. By the way I hadn't noticed before that there had been a Hugh married in 1748 in Coylton. Interesting.......My gt grandfather and uncle were both Hugh Curries. I have a cousin Barbara and my name is a diminutive of Agnes.
Can we find a link with our Curries, Malcolm?
Regards, Nan
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Dear Nan
Thank you for your information - anything relating to the forebears of Charles Currie and Jane Sloan is of interest to me. If you can give me the details of Adam's birth certificate, I'd much appreciate it.
My husband and I are visiting the UK in May 2016 and will be travelling between Ayr and Gretna Green while on that trip. We'd love to be able to view any buildings eg houses or schools which have family significance. If you know of any, please tell me - we'd love to stop enroute and view where our ancestors lived/played/worked. Thank you.
Sincerely
Léonie
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Dear Nan
Thank you for your information - anything relating to the forebears of Charles Currie and Jane Sloan is of interest to me. If you can give me the details of Adam's birth certificate, I'd much appreciate it.
My husband and I are visiting the UK in May 2016 and will be travelling between Ayr and Gretna Green while on that trip. We'd love to be able to view any buildings eg houses or schools which have family significance. If you know of any, please tell me - we'd love to stop enroute and view where our ancestors lived/played/worked. Thank you.
Sincerely
Léonie
For what its worth I once found a book that listed monumental inscriptions at St.Bride's Churchyard in Douglas and one read - 87. Burying ground of James Currie, brewer of Douglas. I never did find out who this was. I do know that John Draffan went from Coylton to Douglas either before or after his wife Agnes Currie died 1849/1850. In any case Douglas is well worth a visit as it is full of history - of the Cameronians, the Covenanters, and the Guid Sir James whose heart is in what is left of the Church. This Church is also where the English garrison got slaughtered by the Douglas on Palm Sunday 1307 and so became known as the Douglas Larder. A little further north is the dramatic Craignethan Castle which was once Draffan Castle but immortalised as Tillietudlum by Sir Walter Scott. The late Sir Nigel Tranter also wrote about it in his book 'The Wallace' as William Wallace's grandmother was Alicia Draffan and he visited his aunt Lady Jean Douglas there.
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Leoni, if you make one more posting on rootschat I can then send you a private message. I will include a copy of Adam's birth certificate and other pertinent information.
Nan
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Thank you Nan. I am excited with the possibility of finding out more of my mother's family. I know quite a lots about my father's Highlands ancestors (I visited there in 1989) but the Currie side has always been a mystery to me. Thank you for your support. Leonie
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I've found the death of Jane Currie, m.s. Sloan ~
Hutchesontown, Glasgow, 29 Nov 1880
Jane Currie, widow of James Currie, contractor. Aged 60.
Parents - William Sloan, farm servant and Jane M.S. McKinna. Both deceased.
Cause of death - Gastritis and Peritonitis, cert. by W Forrest, surgeon.
Informant - Margaret McGibbon, daughter (present)
Gadget
Added - I wouldn't worry too much about Jane's age on death cert - Margaret probably just made an estimate!
I think this Margaret McGibbon nee Currie may be the same person as Margaret Sutton who is buried with her son James Currie McGibbon at Waverley Cemetery in New Zealand.
There is a death notice for James at Nukumaru in the Wanganui Herald on 13 March 1907.
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Thank you Gadget for confirming the information I have on Jane Sloan and her daughter, Margaret Currie McGibbon Sutton. The newspaper article about the death of James was new and I have added the information to my family tree.
Other than the fact that Margaret married William Sutton in 1898 in New Zealand I have no further info on him. Do you have any per chance?
cheers, Nan
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Hi Leonie,
I am the daughter of Beverly Jacobsen (the only biological child of Ben Jacobsen and Garda Tarrant). I was in Feilding last weekend and the graves of Jane Irving and William Currie are not listed there, so I'm not sure they are actually buried there. Everything else seems correct, as far as I know.
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Hi Jane, Re your post to Leonie regarding the Feilding, N.Z. Cemetery. I initiated the original post regarding the Currie Family. My Gt. Grandparents are Charles and Jane (nee Irving), who along with their son, are buried there along side my Grandparents Henry and Agnes (nee Currie) Simpson, Agnes being a daughter of Charles and Jane. I do have a photo of these headstones if you would like a copy.
Regards, Homers.