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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Wicklow => Topic started by: Jean Price on Sunday 17 November 13 02:42 GMT (UK)
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Hello All,
I am so frustrated with trying to find anything - just anything - about my ancestor Anthony Fawcett, I thought I would try a professional researcher. Has any one any recommendations for a person who knows their way around Wicklow/Dublin archives?
And I know you will ask so:
1. I know his name and occupation (land steward) from the death certificate for my grt grandfather Peter Fawcett here in New Zealand.
2. From Rootsireland.ie (http://Rootsireland.ie) he may be the Anthony Faucett with wife Rosanne who had a child Peter baptised 25 Sept 1827 in Donnybrook, Dublin.
You would not believe how many Anthony Fawcett's there are in Ireland. Perhaps I will look for John Brown instead ;D
Regards
Jean
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Irish Genealogy Church Records when entering Fawcett location Wicklow gives a few results including an Anthony Fawcett as witness to a wedding in 1862.
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Thank You dathai,
Yes, I have looked at those records - the only trouble is, I do not know which Anthony Fawcett is mine
I will continue to search.
Jean
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Unfortunately a researcher, who will find the same records that you did, will probably not know which (if any) is the correct Anthony Fawcett.
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Hi Jean,
Just a few thoughts to help with your search. You make no mention of religion when referring to your "Fawcett" search, but for Irish records some indication as to whether the family was Roman Catholic or Protestant is absolutely vital. ? what religion was your known relatives?
If one searches the 1901 Census for Ireland one comes up with 300 odd individuals with the surname "Fawcett" almost all of some Protestant denomination. and although none are listed as living in Co. Wicklow surely some of them have to be descendants of your common ancestor.
When one searches the Civil Registers Birth , Marriages and Deaths for Ireland, one comes across only a few references for "Fawcett" in Co. Wicklow. There appears to be one family , a William Fawcett who Died in Rathdrum District Co. Wicklow in 1865 aged 85, and his Wife Grace Fawcett, died 1873 aged 84. Any way your relative could be connected to them ?
I also looked today at at reference books of Gravestone inscriptions for County Wicklow and the only ones for the whole period up to 1880 for any name even resembling "Fawcett" where those 2.
As you can see what I am doing is trying to find the area to look in, then and only then can one start to investigate church records for possible baptisms etc.
PS I came across a reference to a "Henry Fawcett" from Rathdrum, co Wicklow who died in Victoria in 1884. Does that connect to anyone of yours?
Cheers
Kevin (meath999) , my daughter lives in Co Wicklow hence the interest.
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Dear aghadowey,
Please forgive me for appearing cheeky, but I cannot believe that all records for every Anthony Fawcett in Wicklow is available on the internet.
I had hoped that a researcher, given names, and a date range might find either a marriage or a death.
Sincerely,
Jean Price
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Hello Kevin,
Thank you for your reply.
My last sighting of my Anthony Fawcett is in 1851 when his son Peter married in Saintfield, County Down, and named him as his father and a steward in Wicklow. But I have learnt that this does not mean that Anthony was alive in 1851.
I do not know of any siblings for Peter, so do not think the 1901 census will do me any good.
Peter died in 1891 in New Zealand, and no siblings have been found here.
I am behaving like a spoilt brat - complaining that I do not have enough information about my
great (x3) grandfather - and yet there are others desperate to find their birth parents.
Rant over.
Jean
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Dear aghadowey,
Please forgive me for appearing cheeky, but I cannot believe that all records for every Anthony Fawcett in Wicklow is available on the internet.
I had hoped that a researcher, given names, and a date range might find either a marriage or a death.
Sincerely,
Jean Price
Sorry if my post wasn't clear so let me explain. You are looking for an Anthony Fawcett and have found some records online. A researcher will be likely to find the same records. Neither of you can probably be sure which if any are for the correct Anthony Fawcett. A researcher might, or might not, find more records but again probably no way of knowing which, if any, are correct.
It is difficult when you don't have much information to start a search. As you mentioned, Anthony may not be alive when his son married in 1851. It's also possible he was alive then and living in Wicklow only at that time but was living elsewhere before or after 1851. Is it a church record of the 1851 marriage that you have (civil records don't list father's residence)?
Do any of the records you found give Wicklow as Peter's birthplace? Saintfield is quite a distance from Wicklow but Peter could have moved there for work.
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Hi Jean,
To answer your original "Rant" ( as you yourself describe it ) , there is a website www.apgi.ie where you can contact The Association of Professional Genealogists of Ireland.
However I will add a few further thoughts to your Wicklow request.
(1) You say Peter married in Co. Down, but often the wedding is in the brides home church not the groom's. Could Peter have been living in Wicklow not Down, or have you evidence as to where he lived/was born etc.
(2) As to the spelling of the surname, the William Fawcett i referred to in my earlier post, who died in Co. Wicklow in 1865 aged 85, is listed on the Gravestone as .."of Ballygannon" and he is buried in Dunganstown Churchyard (Cof I) in Co. Wicklow. When one looks up Griffiths Valuation for the area, the only even vaguely similar name is for "William Faucett" a substantial landholder in the same area. Must be the same person .
Good luck with your search.
Kevin (Meath999)
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Going back to the County Down angle-
"Peter FAWCETT , Saintfield, son of Anthoney Fawcett, married Jane Clanney 13 Feb 1851."
same database has "Anthony FAWCETT, Saintfield, burglary in his Saintfield house; publican 29 Nov 1856"
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/SURNAMES/F/Fa.htm
Perhaps a co-incidence but will see if I can find anything else about this Anthony Fawcett in Saintfield.
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Thank you aghadowey,
I did not intend to use your expertise by stealth.
1. I have a copy of the church marriage - Peter says he is of "full age", a bachelor, a servant at Strangford, and his father is "Ant y" Fawcett, a steward.
2. His NZ Death Certificate (24 Feb 1891)says he was born in Wicklow, his father was Anthony, a land steward, he was married in Saintfield, and had been in NZ for 40 years.
3. He has two newspaper biographies - one says he was born in Saintfield, the other in Wicklow.
One record that I thought some one in Ireland might find was for the marriage of an Anthony Faucett and Rosanne?
I have found on ifhf.rootsireland.ie a baptism for the birth and baptism for a Peter Faucett to these parents. The birth is 22 Aug 1827, bapt 25 Sept 1827, COI, Donnybrook. This is only 3 years out for my Peter.
And if not the marriage, then the death for Rosanne Faucett. (There may be many Anthony's but I have not found another Rosanne F.)
These records would help - one way or the other.
Yes, I have wondered about the Fawcett publican in Saintfield, but have never found anything extra.
aghadowey, if you can find me a lead of any sort, I will be over the moon, excited, thrilled etc, etc.
Many Regards
Jean
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Thank You Kevin for the link to "apgi".
That has been bookmarked for further reading.
Regards
Jean
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This is an old post but Im also looking for Fawcetts from Wicklow.
My ancestor Mary Fawcett was born around 1817 and married in Co Longford to Thomas Morton. He father was named at William Fawcett. Fawcett was not a name normally associated with Longford.
A recent DNA connection between two members of Mary and Thomas shows a link to Henry John Fawcett 1819-1884 who moved to Australia. Ruling out any of the maternal lines the connection is more likely to be to the Wicklow Fawcetts. Henry John Fawcetts parents were William Fawcett and Grace Meates who married in 1810.
Knowing that death certificates can be notoriously unreliable have you looked at using DNA as one of your sources to link/delink your family from the Wicklow Fawcetts?
The Church of Ireland registers may contain the information you need as they seem to be largely intact for the time periods although Ive not had this confirmed from the COI staff.
If you can confirm a link between the Fawcett families you may be interested to know that Elizabeth Morton - daughter of Thomas and Mary Morton nee Fawcett moved to New Zealand as well and married twice with both husbands dying tragically. Her descendants being some of the Seawrights and Mawhinney families.
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Thank you for your reply Revolution,
Yes, I am definitely looking at DNA to help with brick walls. (One might just be about to come down in England with another of my ancestors).
I do suspect that my Anthony Fawcett is English born, and I am even more sure that his father is English. I just cannot find the link between the two men.
I will have a look at your Australian Fawcett names.
Regards,
Jean
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1841 Dec 16 Anthony Fawcett, Dunganstown to Sarah Hayes, Glenealy. Licence.
Witnesses: Wm. Hayes and James Hayes.
??
http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/wicklow/churches/glenealy-mar.htm
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http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/wicklow/photos/tombstones/1headstones/dunganstown.txt
In | affectionate | remembrance of | WILLIAM FAWCETT | of Ballygannon | died May
2nd 1865 | aged 85 years | GRACE FAWCETT | his wife | died April 13 1873 |
aged 84(?) years | and their son | WILLIAM LEONARD FAWCETT | died at Liverpool
April5 1844 | aged 27 years | These all died in faith.
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Thanks Hallmark. On ancestry one of the descendants has put up a headstone photo. Would love to be able to determine if this is my family too before my trip to Ireland in September.
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http://www-civ.eng.cam.ac.uk/cjb/hingston/ulster.htm
JOHN HINKSON married JANE SARAH FAWCETT, daughter of William Fawcett of Glenealy, Co. Wicklow and had 12 children (Longford). He died in Dublin on 11 Apr 1887, and was buried in Mount Jerome Cemetery. Jane had been born 4 Oct 1818 in Ballygannon, Co. Wicklow. She died in Dublin of acute cystitis at age 86 on 23 Feb 1905 and was buried with her husband and other family members in Mount Jerome.
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http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nkk/
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William and Grace Fawcett from what Ive been able to tentatively find - hope to have confirmation next week about the availability of the baptism records.
Anthony 1811-1896
Mary 1813-1875 - My line and unconfirmed
William Leonard 1817-1844
Jane Sarah 1818-1905
Henry John 1819-1884
Elizabeth (Bessie) 1821-1910
Richard 1821-1897
Cheanne 1825-1826
Charles 1827 -
Robert Joseph 1828-1897
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That's where Wills, Deeds, Marriage Agreements etc come into play...
e.g. In 1863 Harriett McMahon, otherwise Faucett otherwise Humpries seem to have Land in Wicklow.
So, was she left it in a Will? Were there Marriage Agreements? etc etc....
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJ4-29HC-J?i=509&cat=185720
Are there other Fawcetts with Inheritances? Marriage Agreements?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSNX-63S9-X?i=399&cat=185720 shows the various spellings used, these are for 1860's so earlier ones may reveal Wills/Deeds/Marriage Agreements and go back to 1708
Jane was born 4 Oct 1818 in Ballygannon, Co. Wicklow.... so when did parents marry approx...was there a Marriage Agreement? etc
WILLIAM FAWCETT of Ballygannon died May 2nd 1865 aged 85 years so probaly married 1800 to 1810 so one needs to check the Grantor index F-G 1800-1809 BUT he may have been/probably was Grantee!!
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There are 6 Marriage Agreements/Articles 1800/1809 also a Deed Faucett to Faucett
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the 1805 ones are Sligo/Mayo
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSH3-Q991-V?i=76&cat=185720
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Hi Hallmark
Thank you for finding those!
Theres a marriage license index for
Name: William Fawcett
Spouse: Grace Meates
Document Year: 1810
Record Type: Marriage Licence
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Name: Anthony Faucett
County: Wexford
Parish: Templeshanbo
Townland: Ballindaggin
Year: 1825
Tithe Applotment Books, 1805-1927
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Only a few 1810
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1810 Anty + wife to Cuthbert
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSNJ-RY1Y?i=133&cat=185720
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My ancestors marriage
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may be of interest last paragraph mentions Essex Edgeworth,Curate circa 1843 to 1848
https://moxhamireland.wordpress.com/2014/06/21/tashinny-church/
looks like him
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Longford/Ballinalee/Gorteen/1548454/
his daughter Edith's marriage 1886
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1886/10828/5949551.pdf
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see number 55 here debatable name
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/reels/tab//004587443/004587443_00253.pdf
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Irish Marriage Licence Bonds.
By the 17th century marriage was fairly well defined, but there were still many ways of entering into it. For persons of property it involved a series of distinct steps.
The first was a written legal contract between the two parties about any financial arrangements between the bride and groom and their families.
The second was the espousals, a formal exchange of vows before witnesses
The third step was ......
https://blog.findmypast.ie/marriage-license-bonds-1406390811.html
In Ireland by the 18th Century Protestants of any substance were usually married by a marriage license bond issued by the consistorial court of the diocese, so there was probably Land etc involved.
Have you checked to see if written legal contract between the two parties was Registered at Registry of Wills/Deeds either before or after Marriage?
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Hi Hallmark
I have not checked that. Im assuming if there's nothing on the Registry of Deeds Index online Id need to pay someone to look for that?
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almost all original marriage licenses for the Irish dioceses were destroyed in 1922, however, index books for most of the Irish dioceses survive and can be consulted in the National Archives.
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Ive emailed them this morning plus also had a look at their online database.
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I had the RCB do a search for Fawcetts and Meates born between 1810 and 1830 for Rathdrum.
15/03/1811 Ann Meats parents Richard and Margaret place Rathdrum
24/07/1814 Lucinda Mates to Richard and Mary Clasinarget (?)
31/01/1816 Peter Mates to James and Mary Clasinargett
14/01/1817 Anne Mates to Richard & Blank possibly Mary Clasinargett
13/05/1821 James Mates to Peter and indecipherable Phily?
04/10/1824 Peter to Richard and Margaret Rathdrum
09/01/1825 Thomas to Peter and Phoebe Rathdrum
08/05/1825 Thomas to Peter and Pheobe. These two entries seem to be duplicates
31/12/1826 Eliza to Peter and Pheobe Ballygannon
22/06/1828 Julia to Samuel & Eliz(?) Rathdrum
06/06/1831 Joseph to Peter and Sarah Mattes corballis Occupation Sawyer
Burial
20/05/1826 Hannah Fawat (possibly) Ballymacking
For Dunganstown:
Baptisms Dunganstown
24/03/1812 Anthony son of William and Grace Fawcett Ballygannon
03/11/1810 William son of Stephen and Eliza Mates Killmorea
20/07/1813 Mary daughter of Richard and Elisa Mates Redcross
20/05/1814 Margaret daughter of Stephen and Elisa Mates (? Abode Killinaorea)
08/11/1818 Jane daughter of William and Grace Fawcwtt Ballygannon
21/04/1824 Richard son of William and Grace Fawcett Ballygannon
18/01/1824 Henry John son of William and Grace Fawcett Ballygannon
07/09/1823 John son of Richard and Eliza(?) Mates Ballydonnell
24/10/1824 Henry son of Leonard and Martha Mates of Ballydannel
27/11/1825 Phianna daughter to William and Grace Faucett Ballygannon
13/5/1827 Charles to William and Grace Faucett Ballygannon
28/12/1828 Robert to William and Grace Fawcett Ballygannon Farmer
22/05/1831 Patrick William to Anthony & Roae Faucett Seapark Steward
Marriage
04/06/1821 John ellis to Anne Faucett both of Ballygannon
24/9/1824 John Read of Castlemasadam and ann Meates of Reallmaorea(?) in the Parish of Dunganstown. Witness John Meates
9/12/1843 Robert Byrne of St. Mary in the City of Dublin to Sarah Faucett of Dunganstown . Witness Thomas (?) Faucett
28/12/1/43 John Hinkson of Mary St. Dublin to Jane Sarah Faucett of Dunganstow. Witness Anthony Faucett
Burial
05/08/1826 Phianna Faucett Ballygannon aged ? months
17/09/1833 Charles Faucett Ballygannon 6yrs
Confirmations
1827
Frances and Mary and AnthonyFawcitt Ballygannon
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I do wonder if this person:
22/05/1831 Patrick William to Anthony & Roae Faucett Seapark Steward is a sibling to Peter Fawcett whose descendant started this thread.
Roae could well be Rose.
Also what's a confirmation? Is this the first link to my ancestor Mary Fawcett?
Confirmations
1827
Frances and Mary and Anthony Fawcitt Ballygannon
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That is brilliant Revolution.
For the very first time I have another name to ponder, worry over, and research - Anthony was a steward and I suspect he worked at Castle Ward - which is just down the road as it were - as a steward - goodness knows how I could verify that - and if he had a pub in Saintfield then that is in the same area.
Hope Hallmark comes up with something
Jean
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Well you have Anty and his Wife's Deed 1810 Anty + wife to Cuthbert
So are there any for 1790's or after 1810?
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e.g You have Hannah + ors (others) 1840
but
Who are the ors??
Who is Hannah Faucitt??
So you need Deeds, etc., v. 7-9 1843
Open Film https://www.familysearch.org/search/film/008093781?cat=185720
flick the slides up until you get Index Card for Film 8
then find entry 193
I was only doodling and just picked 1840!!
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Sorry You have Hannah + ors (others) 1843
In Co Wicklow
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Ive sent a request off for more paid lookups for baptisms from 1831 and to see if there are baptisms for William Fawcett and Grace Meates and potential siblings.
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https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=765484.0
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So.... Hannah married a Tomlinson!
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJW-WP46?i=334&cat=185720
then..one needs to Search/ keep any eye out for a possible Marriage Agreement as they look thought the Grantor Indices.
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You also have the Land Index
e.g.
Land index: Wexford, Wicklow 1811-1820
Land index: Wicklow 1828-1832
starting 1708
Land index: Westmeath, Wexford, Wicklow 1708-1738
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The RCB just said: Confirmation was a sacrament undertaken at about 10-13 yrs depending on when the Bishop of the Diocese was confirming in the area.
Question 2. Is Frances another child of William and Grace Fawcett.
1827 Confirmations:
Frances and Mary and Anthony Fawcitt Ballygannon
The RCB also said: There is nothing more to be found in Dunganstown. The list I have sent you is all there is.
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Hi Hallmark
I have not checked that. Im assuming if there's nothing on the Registry of Deeds Index online Id need to pay someone to look for that?
Did you check the Registry of Deeds Index ?
What did you make of Rowland of Rathdrum witnessing James's lease in Kevin St, Dublin in 1766?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSH3-S3QF-T?i=392&cat=185720
With the other Deed for Rowland in 1791 after his Death, dividing up properties in Kevin St you get Rowland's wife's name Grace Pope and their children Charles, Rowland, Sarah
Grace Pope was the one leasing to James in Kevin St..... and wife to Rowland of Rathdrum ;D
Grace then married Jocelyn Philips
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I was looking for someone else in Kevin St when I spotted these! Certainly haven't checked Index year by year for Faucitts and varying spellings thereof!
Can't find who/what I'm looking for....... grrrrrrrrr! ;D
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Hi Hallmark
Oh sorry I thought that was intended for the original poster!
Ill look at the guide and see if I can make progress using the index for the Faucetts. Small steps
Its my first foray into the use of Deeds. Theres a surprising lot of information there Im trying to work out how it fits.
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No problem!
Maybe someone did already?
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I found this one. A couple of links between Mortons in Wicklow including a Thomas Morton to Robert Collier in 1841, Volume 16, 151
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSNX-63ZM-J?i=218&cat=185720
Fawcetts here but so much to explore
Grantor index A-Z 1810-1812 - 7763773
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I found this on FindMyPast
First name(s)William
Last name Fawcett
Birth year 1851
Birth date 13 Feb 1851
William son of Peter and Jane Fawcett born 13 Feb 1851, baptised 16 March 1851 by A E Eaton
Its dated 20 Dec 1868 and has a Received stamp on it of 12 August 1880
Record set British Civil Service