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Title: Neate/Perry /All Cannings
Post by: miggs 191 on Tuesday 19 November 13 18:34 GMT (UK)
Thought I had better start a new thread. I am awaiting birth ,death and marriage certs for a William John Neate Perry but have seen on Roots Chat that others are linking Perry and Neate to All Cannings.
I know it is just outside Devizes , on the Southbroom side I believe , and wondered if any one else has a Perry /Neate connection. I have been to Devizes but never to All Cannings so I guess that needs to be the next trip. Any info. gratefully received. As always thank you.
M. ???
Title: Re: Neate/Perry /All Cannings
Post by: ribbo39 on Wednesday 27 November 13 05:10 GMT (UK)
Hi miggs,

I don't know what timescale your looking at, but have you considered contacting the
Wilts On-Line parish clerk - they may have something of interest for you.
You can go to them at this address;
http://www.wiltshire-opc.org.uk/genealogy/index.php/parish-directory/item/20-all-cannings

There is reference to a Will of Thomas Neate the Elder.
There are also transcriptions of bapts., marriages & burials

Alan
Title: Re: Neate/Perry /All Cannings
Post by: KGarrad on Wednesday 27 November 13 08:32 GMT (UK)
There is also some info on GenUKI?
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/WIL/AllCannings/index.shtml
Title: Re: Neate/Perry /All Cannings
Post by: fastfusion on Tuesday 14 January 14 21:50 GMT (UK)
the Neate family can be found all around that general area......  All Cannings Bishops Cannings, Devizes ........  and as far as Broadchalk Urchfont and Bishopstone that I can remember.     I would suggest going to the Wiltshire County Council website found in google , add probates and the search engine should come up on top of the list..... enter Neate without a place to give u an idea of the scop of villages they are found.....    Kit Withers has a freepage on ancestry that also discussed the Neate family....they are an extremely old family in Wiltshire.
i am not certain of the links anymore, but I used to find old land documents etc for that region through the British National Archives search engine, which linked to sources in Wiltshire.
 :)
Title: Re: Neate/Perry /All Cannings
Post by: fastfusion on Wednesday 15 January 14 01:08 GMT (UK)
having gone away and looked at a few things>   I think you need to consider the following pdf

https://archive.org/details/registersofbisho00bish   which has all of the main Neat/ Neate entries in it for the region.......

and funnily enuff it is written by     wait for it.........

Joseph Henry Parry.......      and I was going to say your Perry lineage for Wiltshire would have been Parry in earlier times.

pertaining of this search I would consider using family search.org as their coverage for this area of Wilts is quite good........

The Neate family are mentioned quite a lot in the Devizes not only as churchwardens but tradefolk such as carpenters thatchers and yeomen.
Some quick checking did reveal they were in fact members of the Quakers in the Calne branch and their history is mentioned in the History of Wiltshire notes volumes 3 6 and 7.

As previously mentioned the Neate family is mentioned on Kit Withers forum posts and I saw the original entries in the book discribed above..          so at the end of the day they are related to the Shergolds..........................  :) and me
Title: Re: Neate/Perry /All Cannings
Post by: Trancesgirl on Wednesday 15 January 14 06:07 GMT (UK)
If you find you have Neate connections to the Calne area that married into the Henly family then would be interested to hear from you.

I was born not too far away from All Cannings in the village of Worton about 3-4 miles from Devizes.  My Wiltshire family roots are from mainly the North of Wiltshire Calne, Brinkworth, Chippenham and Devizes.  Although I now live in Scotland I have a large family still living in the area of Melksham and Devizes. I also have many friends and connections to Wiltshire so if anyone needs photographs etc.  Please feel free to ask and If I can help I will
Title: Re: Neate/Perry /All Cannings
Post by: dee-jay on Friday 24 January 14 13:08 GMT (UK)
Hi Miggs

If you've not already had access, take a look at these transcriptions of the Parish Registers of Allcannings and Etchilhampton 1579-1812 by Joseph Henry PARRY, B.A., Barrister-at-Law and late Scholar of New College,  published 1905: https://archive.org/stream/registersallcan00etchgoog#page/n3/mode/2up

Whilst they are stated to be complete for All Cannings in 'A History of Wiltshire', there are likely to be more omissions than those I've been able to rectify after reference to the few extant Bishops' Transcripts for that period.

Happy hunting!
Title: Re: Neate/Perry /All Cannings
Post by: fastfusion on Saturday 25 January 14 07:58 GMT (UK)
good on ya dee :)
Title: Re: Neate/Perry /All Cannings
Post by: miggs 191 on Thursday 11 August 16 10:53 BST (UK)
A belated thank you to all of those above.
I've been side tracked with the death of the owner of the research but I have inherited seventy years of research so I'm back up and running !
I'm looking for a web of missing links including Neate,Perry,Neate Perry Neate,Maslen and Chandler. Also Eyles but not sure if they are this area. Does anyone know the name ?
The biggest thorn in my side is Louisa Elizabeth Maslen who married John Perry of Devizes.
Her marriage cert 1846 shows that her father is George Maslen grocer. Through her whole life ( legal docs etc) she maintains she was born in Covent Garden 1821. She has a sister ,Sarah, who later lives and works with her in Devizes. Sarah owns a milliners around 1850.
My belief is that Louisa is possibly the grand daughter or great niece of Sarah Grace who owned and ran The Castle hotel in Devizes.
Sarah Grace appears to have had a base born child but I can not find the documents in my paperwork inheritance to confirm this. It also seems that Sarah married a Richard Chandler before she married William Grace of the Castle. Again no documents. It appears that they all have links to All Cannings.
Any ideas or suggestions great fully received.
 I am aware that this is off topic of  Neate but on top of it all there is an alleged son of Louisa Elizabeth Maslin named John Neate Perry Neate ! I have found him He moved to Somerset and ran a grocery business but where is the proof that this Perry Neate is linked to my Perrys?
I can't drive so trips to Chippenham records office are limited as I live on the south coast.
Thank you for reading this .
I will be grateful for any ideas that may move me forward on where to look,who to ask,etc.
Thank you.🙂
Title: Re: Neate/Perry /All Cannings
Post by: KGarrad on Thursday 11 August 16 11:16 BST (UK)
Christening 15th October 1843  at Brixton-Deverill, Wiltshire
Selina Ann Masslyn or Maslen
Daughter of Louisa Masslyn or Maslen
Title: Re: Neate/Perry /All Cannings
Post by: KGarrad on Thursday 11 August 16 11:27 BST (UK)
1841 census
HO107, Piece 1189, Book 2, Folio 29, Page 7
Newpark Street, Devizes, Wiltshire

Grace, William  M  50
Grace, Sarah  F  50
Grace, Dennis  M  52
Greenland, Mary  F  20
Hapgood, William  M  25
Withers, Charles  M  14
Wantner, John  M  45
Maslen, Louisa  F  18
Bowden, Louisa  F  26
Cole, Alexander  M  21
Willis, Hannah  F  20
Wiltshire, Rhoda  F  15
Maslen, James  M  25
Smith, Harry  M  17
Florris, William  M  30    All born in county
Title: Re: Neate/Perry /All Cannings
Post by: miggs 191 on Thursday 11 August 16 23:31 BST (UK)
Thank you KGarrard. I know about Louisa working at The Castle hotel. I also have the will of William Grace and another of Sarah Grace. Sarah leaves money to Louisa but the exact relationship is unclear. In the 1851 census Louisa ,who has now married Jon Perry of Devizes, leaves her daughter Mary Sarah Sissons Perry with Sarah Grace who is listed as Aunt to Mary. The ages are all wrong.She could be a great Aunt or even a grandmother ! Sarah seems to have been married to Richard Chandler before he died and she married William Grace. It seems that Sarah may have been base born.
I have also noted that a James Maslen is listed in the 1841 census. Could be coincidence as Maslen is a common name in Devizes but maybe he too is linked. I do know that Louisa had one sister in London who was adopted but at some point she comes to Devizes and in a census record the sisters are living together. Their father was George Maslen ( see Louisa's marriage cert ).
The christening is interesting as it just might lead to something. I do know that Louisa's sister Sarah was christened when she was adopted ( I think at age twelve but need to check this).
I also suspect that various family members didn't always tell the truth on legal documents. They were reasonably well off but for some reason they lied on the 1871 census,lied when registering the birth of an illegitamate child, lied when competing documents on oath !!! I have no idea why. They didn't need to economically as they had legitimately inherited the money.
It's a huge puzzle but I can't give up as the search has been going on for over seventy years and I am the second generation involved.
Thank you for your help. I shall follow up on the christening.    :)  ???
Title: Re: Neate/Perry /All Cannings
Post by: miggs 191 on Sunday 08 September 19 13:50 BST (UK)
It’s taken three years ! But I now know that Sarah Grace was on her third marriage when she married William Grace in Devizes. Prior to that it was Richard Chandler ( married in St Pancras London ) and prior to that Richard Sissons  but strangely she gives her father’s name as Richard Mortimore batchelor ! When Richard Sissons dies  in 1835 both she and Louisa are clearly named in a will. By the time it is settled she has already married the next one !
I’m now wondering if her mother was Maslen and she was base born or Mortimore was really her maiden name and she married into the Maslen family. I’ll probably never be able to work it out but if any one can shed any light I’d be very grateful.
Title: Re: Neate/Perry /All Cannings
Post by: miggs 191 on Sunday 08 September 19 13:52 BST (UK)
The Neate Perry link remains a mystery !
Title: Re: Neate/Perry /All Cannings
Post by: ghjb101 on Sunday 14 February 21 21:45 GMT (UK)
John Perry Neate was born in Devizes in 1827. The ‘Perry’ appears to be from his mother’s maiden name; he was only recorded as John Neate in records before 1863, but almost always John Perry Neate thereafter. This might have been in tribute to his mother, who died in 1847. As likely it was due to the very large number of John Neates in the area – this theory is backed up by the baptism of a John Powell Neate in 1857, in the next village (Bishops Cannings) - the son of Christina Neate, nee Powell.
John (Perry) Neate married Jane Susan Andrews. They had at least 11 children, four of whom were given 'Perry' as a middle name.
Title: Re: Neate/Perry /All Cannings
Post by: Miggs191 on Thursday 17 November 22 21:53 GMT (UK)
A very belated thank you for the info on John Perry Neate.
I have found a William John Neate Perry in the West Country.
I’m currently trying to work out if there could be a link.
He ran a grocers shop and doesn’t die until 1938.
I’ve yet to confirm his parents.