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Title: Re: Marriages of William Moss b1795
Post by: billbir on Saturday 23 November 13 16:43 GMT (UK)
My great great great grandfather William Moss was born in 1795 in Adderbury, Oxfordshire, England. I believe that he was married twice, once to a Sarah by which he had two children Caroline b1818 and William:b1820. My guess is, that Sarah died in childbirth in December 1820. William then went on to marry Emma Elfred, who was born in 1805 also in Adderbury. They had nine children, one of which was Martha who became my great great  grandmother. I'm trying to establish the surname of Sarah and the marriage dates of both Sarah and Emma.

Any help or guidance would be much appreciated.
Title: Re: Marriages of William Moss b1795
Post by: bucksboy on Saturday 23 November 13 19:53 GMT (UK)
William Moss married a Sarah Charles(of Banbury) @ Daventry NTH.  22 April 1818.

William Moss married Mary Elfred @ St.Mary Mag. Oxford. 27 Nov 1826.

I may be worthwhile to check the PR's for St.Mary Mag. Oxford, to see if he was a widow. ;)

Steve. :)

Taken from OxFHS - Marriage Index - 1538-1837.

Title: Re: Marriages of William Moss b1795
Post by: billbir on Saturday 23 November 13 21:09 GMT (UK)
William Moss married a Sarah Charles(of Banbury) @ Daventry NTH.  22 April 1818.

William Moss married Mary Elfred @ St.Mary Mag. Oxford. 27 Nov 1826.

I may be worthwhile to check the PR's for St.Mary Mag. Oxford, to see if he was a widow. ;)

Steve. :)

Taken from OxFHS - Marriage Index - 1538-1837.

Hi Steve,
Thanks for the information and advice. I am just a little puzzled by the second wife being Mary, when according to the details I have, she is called Emma.
Title: Re: Marriages of William Moss b1795
Post by: Sleat on Saturday 23 November 13 21:27 GMT (UK)
From the OFHS St Mary Mag PR

MOSS Wm otp   
ELFRED Emma (x) otp        banns

Wit Thomas IVATTS Sarah ELFRED

It doesn't say he is a widow

Hope that helps
Title: Re: Marriages of William Moss b1795
Post by: bucksboy on Saturday 23 November 13 21:42 GMT (UK)
Oops. Sorry. :-[

Yes, it was Emma, Not Mary. ;D

Steve. :)
Title: Re: Marriages of William Moss b1795
Post by: billbir on Saturday 23 November 13 22:02 GMT (UK)
Hi Sleat/Buckboy,

These replies were good news bad news! The 1841 Census shows:-

    Moss    William    45      Shoe Maker    Yes    HO107/0875/F?    CD1 HO_875.pdf p.44        
    Moss    Emma    35          Yes    HO107/0875/F?    CD1 HO_875.pdf p.44        
    Moss    William    20          Yes    HO107/0875/F?    CD1 HO_875.pdf p.44        
    Moss    James    10          Yes    HO107/0875/F?    CD1 HO_875.pdf p.44        
    Moss    John    9          Yes    HO107/0875/F?    CD1 HO_875.pdf p.44        
    Moss    Samuel    8          Yes    HO107/0875/F?    CD1 HO_875.pdf p.44        
    Moss    Sarah    10          Yes    HO107/0875/F?    CD1 HO_875.pdf p.44        
    Moss    Martha    3          Yes    HO107/0875/F?    CD1 HO_875.pdf p.44          
    Moss    Joseph    1          Yes    HO107/0875/F?    CD1 HO_875.pdf p.44          
    Moss    Samuel    85      Agricultural Labourer    Yes    HO107/0875/F?    CD1 HO_875.pdf

p.44      

So William needs to have been married to someone prior to Emma, as you can see there is a son, William aged 20 and then a gap until James aged 10. I want to believe Buckboys data but Sleat has thrown me by saying there is no mention of William being married before.

Thanks for your help.

Bill
Title: Re: Marriages of William Moss b1795
Post by: supermoussi on Sunday 24 November 13 07:01 GMT (UK)
The IGI has these baptisms

Caroline Moss   
christening:    9 September 1818    ADDERBURY,OXFORD,ENGLAND
father:    William Moss
mother:    Sarah

William Moss
christening:    12 January 1821    ADDERBURY,OXFORD,ENGLAND   
father:    William Moss
mother:    Sarah


so the 1818 marriage looks a good bet. Just because the 2nd marriage entry doesn't say that he was a widow doesn't mean that he wasn't as vicars sometimes didn't write it down. Does the marriage entry say that he was a bachelor? If it does then you've got a problem.
Title: Re: Marriages of William Moss b1795
Post by: Sleat on Sunday 24 November 13 07:19 GMT (UK)
The above is everything the entry says, it doesn't say bach or wid.

So it could be either

Sleat
Title: Re: Marriages of William Moss b1795
Post by: billbir on Sunday 24 November 13 08:55 GMT (UK)
Thanks everyone,
I am pretty convinced that William was married twice and that we have the correct info. The fact that his son William appears on the census records and was born 5 years before the marriage and Emma, would have been 14 at the time of conception, for it to be hers, persuades me, that William Moss was married before.

Thanks for your involvement.

Title: Re: Marriages of William Moss b1795
Post by: bucksboy on Sunday 24 November 13 10:37 GMT (UK)
I'm sure you're right.   Have you found the death/burial for Sarah Moss(nee. Charles).  Just to dot the I's, and cross the T's.

Steve. :)
Title: Re: Marriages of William Moss b1795
Post by: billbir on Sunday 24 November 13 11:57 GMT (UK)
I'm sure you're right.   Have you found the death/burial for Sarah Moss(nee. Charles).  Just to dot the I's, and cross the T's.

Steve. :)

Hi Steve,

Yes, I have found the death of a Sarah Moss, buried Dec 1820. Not seen any details other than Oxford/Berks burial. My guess is, that she died having given birth to William. Also she had a daughter Caroline in 1818. It seems to all fit together, but I do not have 100% proof, which is often the case in genealogy.

Regards

bill
Title: Re: Marriages of William Moss b1795
Post by: billbir on Sunday 24 November 13 12:15 GMT (UK)
Hi Steve,

Just revisited the death details of my Sarah Moss and find that it is incorrect. This Sarah appears to be 68 and a Spinster! So back to the drawing board!

Incidentally, interesting to see all the locations that you are connected with, bearing in mind that I live in High Wycombe, (though not a Bucks boy).

Bill