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Title: Help! Suggestions! on a John Henderson.
Post by: wlddlw on Monday 25 November 13 03:25 GMT (UK)
I have started to go over previous research I have done and believe I was headed down the wrong path.   

I am looking for a death certificate in hope to find parents names.  I want to buy some credits on Scotland people but with the name of John Henderson will I need to take out a bank loan?.  :P

John was in the 1911 census living at Kelvenside with his wife Jessie and sons John and Peter.   He was a cooper and born in about 1854 in Caithnessshire wick. 

His wifes name was Jessie Stephens or Steven.

So anyone have any suggestions on how to get the best out of the information I have without spending a mountain of money.

Thanks for your time

Debbie
Title: Re: Help! Suggestions! on a John Henderson.
Post by: DonM on Monday 25 November 13 04:27 GMT (UK)
I peeked at the census , I see his wife is from Fraserburgh and only one Jessie Stephen (incl spelling variations) married a John Henderson there and that was in 1875, his parents will be listed.

Don
Title: Re: Help! Suggestions! on a John Henderson.
Post by: goldie61 on Monday 25 November 13 04:41 GMT (UK)
Family search has the marriage as 7th Oct 1875 Fraserburgh. Unfortunately no parents names on the transcription!
Title: Re: Help! Suggestions! on a John Henderson.
Post by: wlddlw on Monday 25 November 13 05:33 GMT (UK)
Thank you both.  I enjoy a good mystery. 
Title: Re: Help! Suggestions! on a John Henderson.
Post by: wlddlw on Monday 25 November 13 05:55 GMT (UK)
Found this.   :)

But can anyone read the mothers name of John Henderson.  Is it Jessie Lindan or Linclan OR something totally different..   :-\

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Title: Re: Help! Suggestions! on a John Henderson.
Post by: ev on Monday 25 November 13 07:42 GMT (UK)
Sinclair perhaps.........

ev
Title: Re: Help! Suggestions! on a John Henderson.
Post by: sancti on Monday 25 November 13 07:45 GMT (UK)
Agree with Sinclair
Title: Re: Help! Suggestions! on a John Henderson.
Post by: wlddlw on Monday 25 November 13 07:49 GMT (UK)
Glad I asked..  thank you..  ...  I don't see the S....  I am a shocker. 
Title: Re: Help! Suggestions! on a John Henderson.
Post by: sancti on Monday 25 November 13 08:27 GMT (UK)
Same shape as the S in M.S.
Title: Re: Help! Suggestions! on a John Henderson.
Post by: ev on Monday 25 November 13 08:57 GMT (UK)
Found this reference which may be of interest-
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XYGF-8FW

ev
Title: Re: Help! Suggestions! on a John Henderson.
Post by: wlddlw on Monday 25 November 13 09:12 GMT (UK)
Interesting how they say "Henrietta Henderson Or Sinclair" .  First time I have seen this.  Thank you I did do a search using John Henderson and Jessie Sinclair but came up with nothing..  now I will have to look again.

Thank you
 
Title: Re: Help! Suggestions! on a John Henderson.
Post by: ev on Monday 25 November 13 09:25 GMT (UK)
Debbie ,

Have you looked at http://www.freecen.org.uk/ for the 1861 Census transcription ?
There is a John Henderson age 33 cooper with wife Janet and son John aged 8 in Caithness.

No Henrietta though , so not sure about that one

ev
Title: Re: Help! Suggestions! on a John Henderson.
Post by: Annette7 on Monday 25 November 13 10:16 GMT (UK)
Jessie and Janet are interchangeable in Scotland (one being a pet name).

1861 - Latheron, Caithness

John Henderson    33      Cooper           b. Wick, Caithness
Janet Henderson   35                                 ditto
Ann Henderson     11                                 ditto
Christina Henderson  10                             ditto
John Henderson     8                                  ditto
Margret Henderson  6                                 ditto
Peterina Henderson  3                                ditto
Alexina Henderson   1                                ditto
Johan Taylor (?)   31   sister in law             ditto

1871 John is with his grandparents, John and Ann Sinclair, in Wick

1871 - Achsingegar, Latheron, Caithness

Janet Henderson    widow   45       born Wick
Peterina Henderson    13                ditto
Alexina Henderson     11                ditto
Janet Henderson        9                born Gormey, Caithness
Isabella Henderson    7                        ditto

(I am only able to view transcripts of Scottish census)

John Henderson married Janet Sinclair   3/11/1848 Wick, Caithness

So, your John Henderson's father John was indeed deceased by the time of his marriage in 1875.   John senior died ca.1863 to 1871.

Annette
Title: Re: Help! Suggestions! on a John Henderson.
Post by: wlddlw on Monday 25 November 13 10:37 GMT (UK)
WOW !!!!!!

I am so over thankful for what you are finding.!!  (I have always loved the friendly people on rootschat).

I am going to look over this when I get everyone settled in bed...  I must admitt my head is spinning with these names.  (Janet / Jessie)  and now the place  Latheron. 

I now have credits on scotlands people so all I need to do is find the helpful documents to set me in concrete.  :-)

ok..  will look at all of this tonight I promise..
Title: Re: Help! Suggestions! on a John Henderson.
Post by: jonn on Monday 25 November 13 10:59 GMT (UK)

Here is John, and Jessie. 1881 census.

84 Charlotte Street, Fraserburgh, Aberdeen,

John Henderson, Head, Cooper, M. age 27 years, M. born Wick, Caithness,
Jessie Henderson, Wife, M. age 28 years, F. born Fraresburgh, Aberdeen,
Jessie Henderson, Daur, age 5 years, F. born Fraserburgh, Aberdeen,
Isabella Henderson, Daur, age 3 years, F. born Fraserburgh, Aberdeen,
Christian Henderson, Daur, age 2 years, F. born Fraserburgh, Aberdeen,
John Henderson, Son, age 6 months, M. born Fraserburgh, Aberdeen.

Regards,
Jonn.
Title: Re: Help! Suggestions! on a John Henderson.
Post by: wlddlw on Monday 25 November 13 11:30 GMT (UK)
Thanks John.

And i have them 1891 & 1901


Name: John Henderson

Age:38

Estimated Birth Year:abt 1853

Relationship: Head

Spouse's name :Jessie Henderson

Where born: Wick, Caithnessshire

Registration number: 644/9

Registration District: Kelvin

Civil Parish:  Glasgow St George in the Fields

County: Lanarkshire

Address: 60 Cedar St

Occupation:  Cooper

 John Henderson  38
 Jessie Henderson  38
 Jessie Henderson  15
 Christina Henderson  12
 David Henderson  7
 John Henderson  5
 Peter Henderson  1

1901


Name: John Henderson

Age: 47

Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854

Relationship: Head

Spouse's name : Jessie Henderson

Where born: Wick, caithnesssh

Registration District: Kelvin

Civil Parish:
Glasgow Kelvinside

County: Lanarkshire

Address: 42 Dunard St

Occupation: Cooper


Household Members:



 John Henderson  47
 Jessie Henderson  48
 Christian Henderson  22
 David Henderson  17
 John Henderson  15
 Peter Henderson  11
Title: Re: Help! Suggestions! on a John Henderson.
Post by: wlddlw on Monday 25 November 13 22:22 GMT (UK)
Hi Everyone,

Just wanted to thank all who helped last night.  (for me).  I finally found John Hendersons death certificate and it confirmed that parents name.  :-)  yes I was on the wrong track this past year.  But I do not regret it as I have learned alot of interesting facts.

I still have not found John in the 1871 census that Annette showed being at his grandparents John & Ann.  BUT..  I am sure its not too far away.

Again thank you all so very much.    ;D
Title: Re: Help! Suggestions! on a John Henderson.
Post by: Annette7 on Tuesday 26 November 13 00:07 GMT (UK)
1871 Census - 50 Kinnaird Street, Pulteneytown, Wick, Caithness

John Sinclair    60      Labourer           b. Halkirk, Caithness
Ann Sinclair     62                                      ditto
Johan Sinclair  dau.   widow    40 (think her married name was Taylor)    b. Wick, Caithness
John Henderson   18  grand child      Cooper                                                  ditto

Annette
Title: Re: Help! Suggestions! on a John Henderson.
Post by: wlddlw on Tuesday 26 November 13 13:17 GMT (UK)
Thanks Annette. 
Title: John Sinclair from (Pulteneytown) and Ann MacKay (from Wick) married 1825
Post by: CraigSutherland on Monday 13 August 18 10:30 BST (UK)
I think, from reading this thread, that I could be a descendant and a relalive.
The Family records that I have start with John Sinclair and Ann MacKay who married in Wick in 1825. I think they had three children - Janet born 1826, Isabella and Alexandrina.

The Sutherland name came in a bit later around 1870. I will find out exact names and dates but this looks promising. Wemyss is an old family name that has come down the line. Supposedly it comes from the Earl of Sutherland, my cousin had the second name Wemyss but my mother wouldn't let my father add it to my name.

Craig Sutherland
Dunedin, New Zealand
Title: Suggestions! on a John Henderson.
Post by: CraigSutherland on Monday 13 August 18 21:53 BST (UK)
John and Ann Sinclair had another daughter called Anne Sinclair (Ann or Anne) who married David Sutherland in Wick on 15/01/49. David was a gardener/coachman from Thumster. They had 4 children all born in Wick - David (b 7/2/1849, a month after marriage), Catherine (1851), Elizabeth Sutherland Weymss (1852) and James (1854). David married Margaret Mitchell of Dundee in Dunedin NZ on 30 May 1882.
I realise that is going down a different branch than the Hendersons but it is interesting for the record.
Craig Sutherland
Dunedin
New Zealand.