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Title: Balls Family, and Hall in the Merchant Rows & King Street Great Yarmouth info ?
Post by: GFMcMath on Monday 02 December 13 23:07 GMT (UK)
Balls Family - Hart - Hall the Merchant Rows &  King Street Great Yarmouth, Norfolk
I believe great great grandfather Benjamin Arthur Balls was born about 1860, at Dartford, Kent, England. Have not found his father, mother, or family yet.  He was a fruiterer at 131 King Street in 1881, apparently his own grocery business with wife Charlotte Matilda, maiden name Hall, (Great Yarmouth family bakers of bread & sweets), born in Acle, Norfolk, England in 1857 Charlotte Matilda Hall baptised 15 Feb 1857 at Acle Norfolk, her parents (Samuel and Elizibeth Hall). The 1881 Census has Charlotte Matilda (Hall) Balls, age 22, and Charlotte's younger sister Anne Hall, age 19, working as the fruit grocery shopmaid, and a young domestic servant Miss Ann M. Crow age, 16. Benjamin Balls vanishes before the 1891 Census, Wife C.M. Balls ran the fruit grocery, moved to location at 159 King Street in Great Yarmouth, Norfolk... 1891 Census lists Alice Balls, (age 8), FLORENCE MATILDA BALLS, (age 7), Reginald Balls, (age 5), and Percy Balls, (age 3). In this household also did reside domestic servants and tutors. The 1891 Census listed these folks as Lena Fox, Martha Groom, and Harriet Tubby... Charlotte Matilda`s husband, Benjamin Arthur Balls, passed away 24 Dec 1890 at Great Yarmouth.  Charlotte Balls remarried to Mr. Edwin Hart  listed in the census of 1901 had moved to Civil Parish: Lambeth, St. Catherine Brixton, (Lambeth-Brixton), London, England with daughter Florence Matilda Balls, then age 19, and Charlotte's new, second husband Edwin Hart, age 54. Charlotte Matilda Hall (Balls) (Hart) was 44 years old at the time...  Re: Charlotte Matilda Hart "It looks like she moved to Prittlewell Essex to keep a confectioner's shop, she probably moved back to Norfolk eventually.  Charlotte Matilda (Hall) Balls) 'Hart'  died Sept qtr 1931, age 71. Norwich (4b 112)" information was provided by Suz,  (thank you!)

 My grandmother is FLORENCE MATILDA BALLS who married in 1903, age 20, at Gt. Yarmouth, Norfolk, England, a Mr. Edmund Stanislaus Atherton(b.1880). She is in Alberta, Canada, Sept. 1913 crossing Sweetgrass International Border married to My Grandfather Otto Smithman... FLORENCE died October, 1972 in Helena, Montana USA..... Additional info and photos at   http://mcmath.tribalpages.com/?userid=mcmath&x=9&y=9   

Any further information about ancestors of the Great Yarmouth Hall family, merchants row 50, or Balls of King Street families would be helpful,  Thank you,  Gary
Title: Re: Balls Family, and Hall in the Merchant Rows & King Street Great Yarmouth info ?
Post by: suzard on Monday 02 December 13 23:20 GMT (UK)
Hello and welcome to RootsChat

Death reg FreeBMD
Benjamin Arthur Balls
Dec qtr 1890
age 30
Yarmouth
Norfolk
4b 9

Probate Calendar
12 January1891
The Will of Benjamin Arthur Balls late of Great Yarmouth in the county of Norfolk, Fruitere, who died 24 Dec 1890 at Great Yarmouth was proved at Norwich by Charlotte Matilda Balls of 159 King St Great Yarmouth, widow the Relict and sole Executrix
Effects £247

now to look for Charlotte!

Suz
Title: Re: Balls Family, and Hall in the Merchant Rows & King Street Great Yarmouth info ?
Post by: suzard on Monday 02 December 13 23:49 GMT (UK)
It looks like Charlotte remarried in 1895
Marriage reg FreeBMD
Dec qtr 1895
Camberwell
on same page
Charlotte Matilda Balls
Edwin Hart
1d 1608

even though in 1911 she said she had been married for 20 yrs!
You can look at 1911 index for free -we are not allowed to post details of 1911 census (copyright issues)

Charlotte used her middle name of Matilda in 1901 census -and later

It looks like she moved to Prittlewell Essex to keep a confectioner's shop

she probably moved back to Norfolk eventually

this looks like her death reg FreeBMD
Charlotte M Hart
Sept qtr 1931
age 71
Norwich
4b 112

I can't be certain which death reg is Edwins

and can't find a probate record

Suz
Title: Re: Balls Family, and Hall in the Merchant Rows & King Street Great Yarmouth info ?
Post by: suzard on Tuesday 03 December 13 00:00 GMT (UK)
it looks like Charlotte matilda was born 1857 not 1859

Birth reg FreeBMD
Charlotte Matilda Hall
Mar qtr 1857 (which would indicate a birth between mid late Dec 1856-Mar 1857)
Blofield reg district(Acle falls within this district)
Norfolk
4b 205

Family search has this baptism
Charlotte Matilda Hall
baptised 15 Feb 1857
Acle Norfolk
parents Samuel & Elizabeth

Suz
Title: Re: Balls Family, and Hall in the Merchant Rows & King Street Great Yarmouth info ?
Post by: GFMcMath on Tuesday 03 December 13 01:36 GMT (UK)
Hi Suz,
 I appreciate the quick results you have provided to my inquiry, I am very new at RootsChat, and am most impressed. I shall modify my record on great grandmother Charlotte Matilda Balls and great grandfather Benjamin. I had no idea where my great grandmother Matilda was buried or a clue to what year she may have passed away.  1931 amazing, not that far back at all. Thank you so very much for your help.  Gary

It also led to this information on Charlotte Matilda Hall at age 13 at Norfolk, Great Yarmouth District, Yarmouth St.Nicholas, Census Returns, 1871 Sth District 12 Previous Year: 1871 Sth District 1 Next Year: 1871 Sth District 2         Document Reference: RG10/1790  (page-17)

HALL, Samuel, 50   hd, unm, Baker, (Row 50)
   Yearmouth    Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
   
HALL, Elizabeth, 44    wf
   Martha m (Elizabeth's mother)

HALL, William, 15   s, sc,
   Acle
   
HALL, Charlotte Matilda, 13 d, sc,
   Acle
   
HALL, Mary Ann, 9   d, sc,
   Yearmouth
   
Title: Re: Balls Family, and Hall in the Merchant Rows & King Street Great Yarmouth info ?
Post by: candrjm on Friday 27 December 13 15:41 GMT (UK)
Link for Benjamin Arthur Balls marriage certificate: (St Nicholas Great Yarmouth 1879)

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11775-153350-26?cc=1416598&wc=MMVP-CMP:n741350974

Note: brides fathers name was William




possible baptism for Benjamin Arthur Balls:

Balls, "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975"
Name:    Benjamin Arthur Balls
Gender:    Male
Christening Date:    30 Dec 1860
Christening Place:    Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
Birth Date:    
Birthplace:    
Death Date:    
Name Note:    
Race:    
Father's Name:    Benjamin Barber Balls
Father's Birthplace:    
Father's Age:    
Mother's Name:    Martha Balls
Mother's Birthplace:    
Mother's Age:    
Indexing Project (Batch) Number:    I04112-6
System Origin:    England-EASy
GS Film number:    930327
Reference ID:    53
Title: Re: Balls Family, and Hall in the Merchant Rows & King Street Great Yarmouth info ?
Post by: GFMcMath on Friday 27 December 13 16:39 GMT (UK)
Dear candrjm,

I am grateful for your observation that Charlotte Matilda Hall father's name is listed as William, not Samuel on the certificate.    Very likely though Samuel, not William Hall is the father of Charlotte Matilda Hall (Balls) and her siblings. The belief is, that Charlotte's older brother William was there with his sister, and that the parish clerk simply by mistake inscribed the name 'William' as father on the certificate.

The quest now is for further information relating to great great grandfather Samuel Hall the baker of bread and sweets in the mid 1800's at Merchants Row 50, Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, England.

Samuel Hall's 1800's ancestral record so far has not been determined save for recent census information back to 1861 see (today's post) provide by 'Suz'.  The search for the ancestral lineage of Benjamin Barber Balls of the same period continues.

Thank you,
Gary
Title: Re: Balls Family, and Hall in the Merchant Rows & King Street Great Yarmouth info ?
Post by: suzard on Friday 27 December 13 17:06 GMT (UK)
I would first check parish register to see if William had been transcribed correctly.

I can only find the birth/baptism of Charlotte Matilda which I posted - parents Samuel & Elizabeth
1871 census has Charlotte Matilda with her parents Samuel & Elizabeth -she has a brother William
a puzzle??
will post the census

Suz
Title: Re: Balls Family, and Hall in the Merchant Rows & King Street Great Yarmouth info ?
Post by: suzard on Friday 27 December 13 17:23 GMT (UK)
1881 census Charlotte has sister Mary Annie Hall age 19 living with her and Benjamin

1871
4 Row 50 Gt Yarmouth
Samuel Hall Head M 50 Baker Gt Yarmouth
Elizabeth wife 44 Martham? Norfolk
William son 15 Acle
Charlotte Matilda daughter 13 Acle
Mary Ann daughter 9 Gt Yarmouth
RG10 1789 70 17

1861
7 Row 50 Gt Yarmouth
Samuel hall Head M 41 Baker Gt Yarmouth
Elizabeth wife 33 martham?
William son 6 Acle
Caroline daughter 9 Yarmouth
Charlotte daughter 4 Yarmouth
Mary A daughter 1 Yarmouth
William Norman Lodger M 70 ag lab Somerton
Susannah Norman Lodger M 68 Wainford
RG9 1192 50 9

Looks like father needs further investigation

Suz
Title: Re: Balls Family, and Hall in the Merchant Rows & King Street Great Yarmouth info ?
Post by: GFMcMath on Friday 27 December 13 17:37 GMT (UK)
Hi Suz,

I appreciate that you have provided the census record showing Samuel as the father of Charlotte Matilda Hall,  it would not be unusual for the brother "William' to be in witness at his younger sisters certificate of marriage, likely it was a clerical error that William appeared as 'father' on the certificate.   Samuel it is...
Thanks again,
Gary
Title: Re: Balls Family, and Hall in the Merchant Rows & King Street Great Yarmouth info ?
Post by: suzard on Saturday 28 December 13 00:49 GMT (UK)
1851
South St Gt Yarmouth
Samuel Hall Head M 31 Baker Yarmouth
Elizabeth wife 24 Martham
Maria Staff Lodger U 41 Charwoman Yarmouth
Sarah M Staff Lodger 9mths Yarmouth
HO107 1806 209 17

Suz
Title: Re: Balls Family, and Hall in the Merchant Rows & King Street Great Yarmouth info ?
Post by: GFMcMath on Saturday 28 December 13 04:21 GMT (UK)
Hi Suz,
I visited grandmother Florence today,  born some 130 years ago, I visit her grave often.  I tell her what I've learned about her ancestry and England.  While she was alive about all that I knew is that she was born and lived in England, did not even know where about in England until ten years ago. Grandmother passed away in 1972.  Gram made the best bread and sweet rolls and pies you could ever imagine.  She was poor, her husband, a Danish-German sailor had died early in his life and they were not well to do then.  Grandmother every year put in a sizable vegetable garden and a large mixed flower garden, and always had something baking in the oven.  She was a fine English grandmother, a wonderful woman.  I wish to thank you for helping define her ancestry there in Great Yarmouth.  It is no wonder that she made such wonderful breads, she coming from a lineage of that profession. I appreciate messages you have posted to help me understand a bit more about her historical lineage.   Gary
Title: Re: Balls Family, and Hall in the Merchant Rows & King Street Great Yarmouth info ?
Post by: candrjm on Saturday 28 December 13 12:07 GMT (UK)
Benjamin Arthur Balls parents look to be Benjamin Barber Balls and Martha Mitchell who married on 20th Feb 1859 in Dartford Kent.

Link for marriage cert:

http://cityark.medway.gov.uk/query/results/?Mode=ShowImg&Img=/cityark/Scans/Ecclesiastical_Rochester_Archdeaconry_Area_Parishes/P110_DARTFORD_HOLY_TRINITY_1363_1988/01_Inital_Deposit_1363_1946/01_Incumbent_Service_of_the_Church_Registers_1561_1946/P110_01_59.html/00000014.jpg


Martha was a widow by 1881 and this looks like her in the 1881 census:

Death: Benjamin Barber Balls aged 38
March Q 1871
Yarmouth 4b 6



Martha Balls
Age:    44
Estimated Birth Year:    abt 1837
Relationship to Head:    Head
Gender:    Female
Where born:    Lynn, Norfolk, England
   
Civil Parish:    Great Yarmouth
County/Island:    Norfolk
Country:    England
   
Street Address:    159 King Street
Marital Status:    Windower (Widower)
Education:

Employment status:
   
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Occupation:    Fruiterer & Game Dealer Employing 2 Boys
   

Registration District:    Yarmouth
Sub-registration District:    Yarmouth Southern
ED, institution, or vessel:    2
Neighbors:    View others on page
Piece:    1909
Folio:    30
Page Number:    16
Household Members:    
Name    Age
Martha Balls    44
Harriet Newby    22
   






Title: Re: Balls Family, and Hall in the Merchant Rows & King Street Great Yarmouth info ?
Post by: candrjm on Saturday 28 December 13 12:19 GMT (UK)
Possible baptism for Benjamin Barber Balls:

    Benjamin Barber Balls
Event Type:    Baptism
Birth Date:    
Birthplace:    
Christening Date:    24 Jun 1832
Christening Place:    Beccles, Suffolk
Marriage Date:    
Marriage Place:    
Death Date:    
Death Place:    
Burial Date:    
Burial Place:    
Father's Name:    Benjamin Barber Balls
Mother's Name:    Mary Ann
Affiliate Publication Number:    RG4_2961
Title: Re: Balls Family, and Hall in the Merchant Rows & King Street Great Yarmouth info ?
Post by: GFMcMath on Saturday 28 December 13 12:58 GMT (UK)

Dear Candrjm,                                 Dec. 38th, 2013

Much of the information you have provided is new to me, and I sure appreciate that it verifies and corrects family, dates, and locations of the Balls Family of Norfolk.

 There is still a bit of mystery to resolve, and if you wish to see what information there is thus far, please visit tribalpages at this link:

                 http://mcmath.tribalpages.com/?userid=mcmath&x=9&y=9

 When the story page on George and Nancy McMath opens up simply type-in   mcmath   in the Security box, upper right of initial page as a password...  You may then click on the Balls family name to investigate the extent of what is known, or perceived so far.

 Thank you so very much for your help with my English family ancestry.

 Gary
Title: Re: Balls Family, and Hall in the Merchant Rows & King Street Great Yarmouth info ?
Post by: candrjm on Sunday 29 December 13 17:15 GMT (UK)
I've been looking at your Mitchell line and I see that you have Sarah Mitchell married to Robert Mitchell.

I think that Martha Mitchell was the illegitimate daughter of Sarah Mitchell and that Sarah was not married to Robert but was his daughter.

Baptism for Martha Mitchell:

County   Norfolk
Place   Great Massingham
Church   Saint Mary
RegisterNumber   549
DateOfBirth   
BaptismDate   17 Jun 1832
Forename   Martha
Sex   F
FatherForename   
MotherForename   Sarah
FatherSurname   
MotherSurname   MITCHELL
Abode   
FatherOccupation   
Notes   Illegitimate
FileNumber   1110


The 1871 census records Sarah as follows:

    Sarah Mitchell
Event Type:    Census
Event Date:    1871
Gender:    Female
Age:    60
Relationship to Head of Household:    Mother
Birthplace:    Middleton, Norfolk
Schedule Type:    Household
Registration District:    Yarmouth
Sub-District:    Southern
Parish:    Great Yarmouth
County:    Norfolk
     Household    Gender    Age    Birthplace
Self    Martha Balls    F    37    Massingham, Norfolk
Mother    Sarah Mitchell    F    60    Middleton, Norfolk
Son    Arthur Balls    M    11    Dartford, Kent
Servant    Emily Cocks    F    21    Thomson, Norfolk



This looks like Sarah's baptism (in the Middleton parish register) at the bottom of the left hand page and records her parents as Alice and Robert

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11600-97166-57?cc=1416598&wc=MMVP-78K:n1248099149


I suspect that Martha named her father as Robert Mitchell (using her grandfather's name) on her marriage certificate.


I wonder if the Mitchells moved to Massingham  after Sarah was born as there is this baptism in 1816 in Massingham:

County   Norfolk
Place   Great Massingham
Church   Saint Mary
RegisterNumber   103
DateOfBirth   
BaptismDate   13 Oct 1816
Forename   John
Sex   M
FatherForename   Robt.
MotherForename   Alice
FatherSurname   MITCHELL
MotherSurname   GORDON
Abode   
FatherOccupation   Shepherd
Notes   Parents Surnames Given As MITCHELL Late SHORE
FileNumber   1110


and these baptisms on freereg in Middleton:

County   Norfolk
Place   Middleton
Church   St Mary
RegisterNumber   
DateOfBirth   
BaptismDate   02 Apr 1807
Forename   William
Sex   M
FatherForename   Robert
MotherForename   Alice
FatherSurname   MITCHELL
MotherSurname   JORDAN
Abode   
FatherOccupation   
Notes   
FileNumber   3973

Search Record Details
County   Norfolk
Place   Middleton
Church   St Mary
RegisterNumber   
DateOfBirth   
BaptismDate   09 May 1809
Forename   John
Sex   M
FatherForename   Robert
MotherForename   Alice
FatherSurname   MITCHELL
MotherSurname   JORDAN
Abode   
FatherOccupation   
Notes   
FileNumber   3973







and these burials:






County   Norfolk
Place   Great Massingham
Church   Saint Mary
RegisterNumber   456
BurialDate   10 Aug 1848
Forename   Alice
Relationship   
Rel1MaleForename   
Rel1FemaleForename   
Rel1Surname   
Surname   MITCHELL
Age   74
Abode   Massingham
Notes   
FileNumber   1115


County   Norfolk
Place   Great Massingham
Church   Saint Mary
RegisterNumber   533
BurialDate   24 Feb 1854
Forename   Robert
Relationship   
Rel1MaleForename   
Rel1FemaleForename   
Rel1Surname   
Surname   MITCHELL
Age   77
Abode   Massingham
Notes   
FileNumber   1115
   
Title: Re: Balls Family, and Hall in the Merchant Rows & King Street Great Yarmouth info ?
Post by: GFMcMath on Sunday 29 December 13 18:43 GMT (UK)
Dear Candrjm,                                 Sunday Dec, 29th, 2013

Re your post: "I've been looking at your Mitchell line and I see that you have Sarah Mitchell married to Robert Mitchell."   Yes, only hours ago using the marriage certificate info naming Robert I decided to do this, I shall now remove Robert, your logic about Sarah's declaration of fatherhood seems plausible ie: "I think that Martha Mitchell was the illegitimate daughter of Sarah Mitchell and that Sarah was not married to Robert, but was his daughter."

You and 'Suz' have been of marvelous assistance in helping me along with defining the Hall and Balls families of Norfolk and greater England, and then further defining the Mitchell connection nearly back to the late 1700's.

Thanking you both again,
Gary
Title: Re: Balls Family, and Hall in the Merchant Rows & King Street Great Yarmouth info ?
Post by: GFMcMath on Monday 30 December 13 20:03 GMT (UK)
Dear Candrjm,                                 Sunday Dec, 29th, 2013

Re your post: "I've been looking at your Mitchell line and I see that you have Sarah Mitchell married to Robert Mitchell."   Yes, only hours ago using the marriage certificate info naming Robert I decided to do this, I shall now remove Robert, your logic about Martha's declaration of fatherhood seems plausible ie: "I think that Martha Mitchell was the illegitimate daughter of Sarah Mitchell and that Sarah was not married to Robert, but was his daughter."

You and 'Suz' have been of marvelous assistance in helping me along with defining the Hall and Balls families of Norfolk and greater England, and then further defining the Mitchell connection  back to the late 1700's. I have been able to get downright intimate with factual information about my Anglican ancestors.

Thanking you both again,
Gary
Title: Re: Balls Family, and Hall in the Merchant Rows & King Street Great Yarmouth info ?
Post by: candrjm on Tuesday 31 December 13 18:03 GMT (UK)
Hi Gary,

I have just been having a quick look at your Hall family line and I wonder if you may have picked up the wrong Samuel Hall in the 1881 census as there is this one that looks like your ancestor (the one you have is recorded as a Bootmaker)

    Samuel Hall
Age:    61
Estimated Birth Year:    abt 1820
Relationship to Head:    Inmate
Gender:    Male
Where born:    Yarmouth
   
Civil Parish:    Great Yarmouth
County/Island:    Norfolk
Country:    England
   
Street Address:    "Great Yarmouth Workhouse"
Marital Status: Married
Education:

Employment status:
   
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Occupation:    Baker
   
Registration District:    Yarmouth
Sub-registration District:    Yarmouth Northern
ED, institution, or vessel:    Great Yarmouth Workhouse
Neighbors:    View others on page
Piece:    1915
Folio:    81


also how sure are you that Elizabeth Hall was still alive in 1886 as there is this burial


County   Norfolk
Place   Great Yarmouth
Church   St Nicholas
RegisterNumber   36
BurialDate   23 Feb 1880
Forename   Elizabeth
Relationship   
Rel1MaleForename   
Rel1FemaleForename   
Rel1Surname   
Surname   HALL
Age   52
Abode   Row
Notes   
FileNumber   4011



also have you seen this marriage?


County   Norfolk
Place   Great Yarmouth
Church   St Nicholas
RegisterNumber   142
MarriageDate   22 Jan 1848
GroomForename   Samuel
GroomSurname   HALL
GroomAge   
GroomParish   
GroomCondition   Bachelor
GroomOccupation   Baker
GroomAbode   Market Gates
BrideForename   Elizabeth
BrideSurname   NEWMAN
BrideAge   
BrideParish   
BrideCondition   Spinster
BrideOccupation   
BrideAbode   Market Gates
GroomFatherForename   William
GroomFatherSurname   HALL
GroomFatherOccupation   Publican
BrideFatherForename   William
BrideFatherSurname   NEWMAN
BrideFatherOccupation   Labourer
WitnessOneForename   John
WitnessOneSurname   TODD
WitnessTwoForename   Mary
WitnessTwoSurname   TODD
Notes   
FileNumber   22319



also this burial:

 County   Norfolk
Place   Great Yarmouth
Church   St Nicholas
RegisterNumber   1269
BurialDate   26 Feb 1886
Forename   Samuel
Relationship   
Rel1MaleForename   
Rel1FemaleForename   
Rel1Surname   
Surname   HALL
Age   66
Abode   Union              (Possibly the workhouse)
Notes   
FileNumber   4010
Title: Re: Balls Family, and Hall in the Merchant Rows & King Street Great Yarmouth info ?
Post by: GFMcMath on Tuesday 31 December 13 18:58 GMT (UK)
Dear candrjm,

It has been a number of years since acquiring the information I have on the Mitchell, Balls and Hall line of ancestry.  There was some confusion with names at that time, some records were not in alignment with others, however certain names of the household did match very well with known Balls family history.  Those names that were common with Samuel and Elizabeth Hall in particular, were Anne Hall a younger sister of, and Charlotte Matilda Hall herself.

  Am eager to find out, but am not really certain about any information other than of my grandmother Florence whom I actually knew well.   Initially there was very little information to go on when I began this quest.  Florence Matilda Balls and her siblings, the servants and tutors of the household, and Florence's parents Benjamin Arthur Balls and Charlotte Matilda Hall are known to be factual, however working back in years from them is conjectural thus far.  I appreciate the clues you have provided today, but do have really no way to advance this material or theory.  Perhaps another document will come forth to provide the answer.  Thank you for the added information on the Hall family of Norfolk.

Gary
Title: Re: Balls Family, and Hall in the Merchant Rows & King Street Great Yarmouth info ?
Post by: GFMcMath on Thursday 02 January 14 22:36 GMT (UK)
Re: Balls Family, and Hall in the Merchant Rows & King Street Great Yarmouth info ?
« Reply #20 on: Yesterday at 22:36 »

Balls Family - Michell- Hart - Hall the Merchant Rows &  King Street Great Yarmouth, Norfolk

Believe that it is established that Benjamin Arthur Balls was born 1860, at Dartford, Kent, England, and that his father was Benjamin Barber Balls (1831-1971) born (Barnham, Broom, Norfolk) who was married to Martha Mitchell (1832- ????) and that this Benjamin Barber Balls was the son of Benjamin Barber Balls (1801-1871) born (Barles, Sufolk, England)  who's wife was Mary Ann of Blunderston.

It was found that Martha Mitchell (Balls) was born about 1832 at Great Massingham, Norfolk to an unwed mother Sarah Mitchell born about 1811 at Middleton, Norfolk, who's parents were Robert Mitchell (1777-22 Feb. 1834) of Great Massingham or Kings Lynn area, Norfolk who was married to an Alice Jordan of approximately the same age and location (1774- died 08 Aug. 1848 at Great Massingham, Norfolk).  Nothing further is known of this lineage or family history save for Sarah's older siblings John born 1809 and William born 1807.

 Benjamin Arthur Balls was a fruiterer and grocer at 131 King Street in 1881, in business with wife Charlotte Matilda Balls, who's maiden name was Hall, (Great Yarmouth family bakers of bread & sweets),  Charlotte Matilda Hall was baptised 15 Feb 1857 at Acle Norfolk, her parents were Samuel and Elizibeth Hall.

The 1881 Census has Charlotte Matilda (Hall) Balls, age 22, and Charlotte's younger sister Anne Hall, age 19, Anne (Mary Ann) working as a fruit grocery shopmaid, and a young domestic servant Miss Ann M. Crow age, 16. Benjamin Arthur Balls dies on 24 December 1890. Wife C.M. Balls ran the fruit grocery, moved to location at 159 King Street in Great Yarmouth, Norfolk... 1891 Census lists Alice Balls, (age 8), FLORENCE MATILDA BALLS, (age 7), Reginald Balls, (age 5), and Percy Balls, (age 3). In this household also did reside domestic servants and tutors. The 1891 Census listed these folks as Lena Fox, Martha Groom, and Harriet Tubby... Charlotte Matilda`s husband, Benjamin Arthur Balls, passed away 24 Dec 1890 at Great Yarmouth.

Charlotte Balls remarried to Mr. Edwin Hart  listed in the census of 1901 had moved to Civil Parish: Lambeth, St. Catherine Brixton, (Lambeth-Brixton), London, England with daughter Florence Matilda Balls, then age 19, and Charlotte's new, second husband Edwin Hart, age 54. Charlotte Matilda Hall (Balls) (Hart) was 44 years old at the time...

 Re: Charlotte Matilda Hart "It looks like she moved to Prittlewell Essex to keep a confectioner's shop, she probably moved back to Norfolk eventually.  Charlotte Matilda (Hall) Balls) 'Hart'  died Sept qtr 1931, age 71. Norwich (4b 112)" information was provided by Suz,  (thank you!)

 My grandmother is FLORENCE MATILDA BALLS who married in 1903, age 20, at Gt. Yarmouth, Norfolk, England, a Mr. Edmund Stanislaus Atherton (b.1880). She then is in Alberta, Canada, Sept. 1913 crossing Sweetgrass International Border and married to My Grandfather Otto Smithman... FLORENCE died October, 1972 in Helena, Montana USA..... Additional info and photos at   http://mcmath.tribalpages.com/?userid=mcmath&x=9&y=9   security password  mcmath.

Any further information about ancestors of the Great Yarmouth Samuel Hall family of merchants row 50, or Balls of King Street families, or the Mitchells would be appreciated.  Thank you,  Gary
Title: Re: Balls Family, and Hall in the Merchant Rows & King Street Great Yarmouth info ?
Post by: GFMcMath on Thursday 02 January 14 22:37 GMT (UK)
Balls Family - Hart - Hall the Merchant Rows &  King Street Great Yarmouth, Norfolk


This is a duplicate and do not know how to get rid of it.  Was simply trying to modify original post in order to update what has been discovered and posted to the initial inquiry.  Sorry!


Re: Balls Family, and Hall in the Merchant Rows & King Street Great Yarmouth info ?
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Balls Family - Michell- Hart - Hall the Merchant Rows &  King Street Great Yarmouth, Norfolk

Believe that it is established that Benjamin Arthur Balls was born 1860, at Dartford, Kent, England, and that his father was Benjamin Barber Balls (1831-1971) born (Barnham, Broom, Norfolk) who was married to Martha Mitchell (1832- ????) and that this Benjamin Barber Balls was the son of Benjamin Barber Balls (1801-1871) born (Barles, Sufolk, England)  who's wife was Mary Ann of Blunderston.

It was found that Martha Mitchell (Balls) was born about 1832 at Great Massingham, Norfolk to an unwed mother Sarah Mitchell born about 1811 at Middleton, Norfolk, who's parents were Robert Mitchell (1777-22 Feb. 1834) of Great Massingham or Kings Lynn area, Norfolk who was married to an Alice Jordan of approximately the same age and location (1774- died 08 Aug. 1848 at Great Massingham, Norfolk).  Nothing further is known of this lineage or family history save for Sarah's older siblings John born 1809 and William born 1807.

 Benjamin Arthur Balls was a fruiterer and grocer at 131 King Street in 1881, in business with wife Charlotte Matilda Balls, who's maiden name was Hall, (Great Yarmouth family bakers of bread & sweets),  Charlotte Matilda Hall was baptised 15 Feb 1857 at Acle Norfolk, her parents were Samuel and Elizibeth Hall.

The 1881 Census has Charlotte Matilda (Hall) Balls, age 22, and Charlotte's younger sister Anne Hall, age 19, Anne (Mary Ann) working as a fruit grocery shopmaid, and a young domestic servant Miss Ann M. Crow age, 16. Benjamin Arthur Balls dies on 24 December 1890. Wife C.M. Balls ran the fruit grocery, moved to location at 159 King Street in Great Yarmouth, Norfolk... 1891 Census lists Alice Balls, (age 8), FLORENCE MATILDA BALLS, (age 7), Reginald Balls, (age 5), and Percy Balls, (age 3). In this household also did reside domestic servants and tutors. The 1891 Census listed these folks as Lena Fox, Martha Groom, and Harriet Tubby... Charlotte Matilda`s husband, Benjamin Arthur Balls, passed away 24 Dec 1890 at Great Yarmouth.

Charlotte Balls remarried to Mr. Edwin Hart  listed in the census of 1901 had moved to Civil Parish: Lambeth, St. Catherine Brixton, (Lambeth-Brixton), London, England with daughter Florence Matilda Balls, then age 19, and Charlotte's new, second husband Edwin Hart, age 54. Charlotte Matilda Hall (Balls) (Hart) was 44 years old at the time...

 Re: Charlotte Matilda Hart "It looks like she moved to Prittlewell Essex to keep a confectioner's shop, she probably moved back to Norfolk eventually.  Charlotte Matilda (Hall) Balls) 'Hart'  died Sept qtr 1931, age 71. Norwich (4b 112)" information was provided by Suz,  (thank you!)

 My grandmother is FLORENCE MATILDA BALLS who married in 1903, age 20, at Gt. Yarmouth, Norfolk, England, a Mr. Edmund Stanislaus Atherton (b.1880). She then is in Alberta, Canada, Sept. 1913 crossing Sweetgrass International Border and married to my Grandfather Otto Smithman... FLORENCE died October, 1972 in Helena, Montana USA..... Additional info and photos at   http://mcmath.tribalpages.com/?userid=mcmath&x=9&y=9   security password  mcmath.

Any further information about ancestors of the Great Yarmouth Samuel Hall family of merchants row 50, or Balls of King Street families, or the Mitchells would be appreciated.  Thank you,  Gary