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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Derry (Londonderry) => Topic started by: sgreig on Tuesday 03 December 13 15:48 GMT (UK)
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Hi, my granny was Jeannie O'Kane b1914 d2000, the youngest child of Daniel (the king) O'Kane of Formil and Martha/Mattie Doherty who died shortly after her birth. There were 10 other siblings. Jeannie was adopted by another family (Mullan) so we know almost nothing about her O'Kane family and roots. Does anyone know anything about their history?
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Here is the family in Formil in 1911 census
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002822931/
And here is Dan O'Kane in 1901 aged 16 and married!
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000615163/
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Hi,
It is common for ages to be incorrect. Daniel and Martha were married in 1899 in Dungiven Roman Catholic Church.
Regards
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Welcome to Rootschat- there have been some posts about this family already :) I have some details but will let others fill in some gaps for you (
will send have sent them a link to your topic).
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=634711.0
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This is fantastic - thanks very much. Was there a census in 1921 do you know?
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See here for 1921 census in regards to Northern Ireland-
http://www.1911census.org.uk/1921.htm
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=391042.0
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how annoying!! The missing part is the most interesting.
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Hi and welcome to Rootschat. Aghadowey alerted me to your post.
Daniel the King of Formil was the only child of Patrick O'Kane and Ellen Lagan. Patrick (Dunany) O'Kane was the brother of Elizabeth O'Kane,my great grandmother. Their father was Daniel O'Kane.
Daniel was born on 10/09/1885 and was almost 14 when he married Ellen who was 16. I was told it was an arranged marriage, to do with land.
Elizabeth O'Kane was married to Jeremiah O'Mullan. Their daughter Margaret was my grandmother. Her sister Bridget was married to James Mullan and I think it was some of these Mullan who adopted Jeannie??
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Mary
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Hi Mary, thanks very much for your message. I would really like to find out about the Mullans who brought my granny up. I'm certain that they were a Presbyterian family though - I think she told me when I was a child that her adoptive father was a minister. I think that they were an older couple who didn't have any children of their own but I might be wrong on that.
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Do you know where your granny was raised, sgreig? would certainly help to track down the family she lived with.
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Hi, I don't know where she was brought up but one of my cousins thinks that it was Garvagh and that there were some Presbyterian Mullans there.
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There is a James Mullan cattle dealer living in Garvagh listed in the 1911 census who is a Presbyterian...he has a family though...
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Did she go to school in Garvagh? any clues would help
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There is a James Mullan cattle dealer living in Garvagh listed in the 1911 census who is a Presbyterian...he has a family though...
Not sure that that is the correct Mullan but just in case...
21 Aug.1882, Coleraine Registry Office, James Mullan, dealer, Caw, son of John Mullan, dealer, to Eliza Jane Stewart, Caw, daughter of Robert Stewart, farmer.
Children (baptised 1st Garvagh Presbyterian Church):
John* ** son of James & Eliza Jane Garvagh Mar.1883
Annie* ** dau. of James & Eliza Jane Garvagh 26 Oct.1884
Robert* ** son of James & Eliza Jane Garvagh 10 May 1886
James son of James & Lizzie Garvagh 17 Oct.1887
Eliza Jane* ** dau. of James & Lizzie Garvagh 6 Oct.1889
James* son of James & Lizzie Jane Garvagh 7 May 1891
Hugh* son of James & Lizzie Garvagh 27 Aug.1893
Sarah dau. of James & Lizzie Garvagh 3 Mar.1895
* in 1901 census
** in 1911 census
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Garvagh/Sarvagh/1520002
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Garvagh/Main_Street/591025
"Mullan James of Garvagh county Londonderry farmer and cattle dealer died 6 August 1922 Probate Londonderry 21 March to Eliza Jane Mullan widow and John Mullan cattle dealer. Effects £557."
www.proni.gov.uk
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You might be on to something there - their youngest was 21 in 1911 census which would mean that by the time Jeannie came to live with them c1914 they would have been 24 which would explain why I had the impression that she was the only child. There can't have been that many Presbyterian Mullans knocking around the area! I think her adoptive father died when she was quite young which would also tie in.
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Someone in Garvagh is bound to remember your granny being raised in Garvagh- will see what I can find. Meanwhile, here's a bit further back-
James Mullan's parents: 22 June 1860 Aghadowey Presbyterian Church, John Mullan, labourer, Gorran, son of James Mullan, labourer, to Sarah Jane Doherty, Landagivey, dau. of George Doherty, weaver.
James Mullin, Gorran, son of John, bapt. 4 Oct.1861 Aghadowey Presbyterian Church.
Hugh, Ballynacally, son of John Mullin & Sarah Doherty, bapt. 29 Jan.1864 Aghadowey Presbyterian Church.
George, Ballynacally, son of John Mullin & Sarah Doherty, bapt. 18 Dec.1865 Aghadowey Presbyterian Church.
[birth reg.: George, son of John Mullin & Sarah Jane Dougherty, born 18 Dec.1865]
Margaret, dau. of John Mullin & Sarah J. Doherty, born 5 JUne 1879, bapt. 25 Apr.1871 Aghadowey Presbyterian Church.
St. Guaire's Church of Ireland, Aghadowey: Erected in memory of John Mullan, late of Caw who died 21 Decr. 1903, aged 73 years. Also his son John who died 6 Feby 1914 aged 36 years. Also his wife Sarah Mullan who died 29th January 1925 aged 84 years. Also his son Hugh who died 12 Sept 1928 aged 65 years. Also his daughter Isabella who died 26th Jany 1956 aged 87 years.
Coleraine Chronicle, 31 Jan.1925: Death- MULLAN- At her residence, New Row, Coleraine, Sarah Mullan, wife of late John, aged 85 years, funeral to Aghadowey.
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There is a mention of two Mullan brothers,James and Hugh here: http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/RobertThompsonGarvagh.htm
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Had forgotten about them, familyroutes, because most of the research we did for the book was concerning those who were killed. Will look through the files to see if I have any more information on those 2 brothers.
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What book is that aghadowey????
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Garvagh & Aghadowey Heroes 1914-1918 by Robert Thompson - the Lennon Wylie site got permission to post information from the book but copies are still available- PM me for more details.
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Hi Im new to this and came across this by accident. My husband is the grandson of Daniel the king Okane from formil. I am looking for information regarding Michael [daniels son] brn1913. we would like to know more about his life up to 1946 when he came to Scotland. I have information kindly given to us by another member of this family regarding his brothers and sisters but we don't know anything about his life in Ireland any information or old photos of Michael would be great. thanks
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Hi AgnesK and welcome to rootschat.
My ggrandmother Elizabeth O'Kane was a sister of Patrick, the King of Formil's father. That would mean that your husband and I share gg grandparents...Daniel and Margaret O'Kane.
Unfortunately I can't help with information about Michael.
Regards,
Mary
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http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=634711.0
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thankyou for the link mary I have already been in touch with this lady she gave me a lot of information regarding michaels family. Could I ask if you have any dates regarding Patricks father and mother Daniel and Margaret or any other information regarding them. Michael came to Scotland in 1946 he would have been in his 30s. His travel card was c/o sarah Cassidy garvaugh. We know nothing of his time in Ireland. thanks Agnes
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The familysearch site has a record of the letters of administration of the personal estate of Patrick Kane late of Formil, County Londonderry, Farmer, who died 7 March 1890 at Brockaghbuoy, granted at Londonderry to Ellen Kane of Formil the Widow. if you look in PRONI there is an image of the original of the same will but of Richard Kane. This appears to be a mistake because, in it, Richard talks about his wife Mary.In the familysearch photo of the records, Richard is listed directly underneath Patrick. Familysearch have the record of the death of a Patrick in 1890 aged 65 so born around 1825.
Patrick was one of the O'Kane family nicknamed Dunany. a number of us have been researching this family for years!
We know from a family source that Mary O'Kane was one of the siblings. From another family source we know that Catherine was another sister.She is listed in the Irish Old Age Pension records as applying for a pension on 12 Jan 1909 and listing her age as 75. She said that her parents were Daniel and Peggy O’Kane of Formil. She was found listed in the 1841 census as age 8
The Irish Old Age Pension Record also lists Manus O'Kane who claimed to be 74. He also said his parents were Daniel and Peggy O’Kane of Formil. He was 6 in 1841. In the valuation revision books on PRONI Manus is found on lot 12 in Coolcoscreaghan.In the 1860-63 records he is listed as Manus O’Kane ( Pat, Dan )....meaning the lot was Patrick's then Dan's then Manus's. If this is the same Manus then it could be that his grandfather's name was Patrick.
Another sibling James, was unmarried and lived in Formil with his nephew Dan the King...
Residents of a house 2 in Formil (Gelvin, Londonderry) http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Gelvin/Formil/1524396/
My ggrandmother Elizabeth was another sister...the 7th daughter of Daniel of Formil according to a notice of her marriage on 2th December 1858 in the Belfast Morning News of the 7/12/1858.
We haven't found all the 7 (at least) sisters.There was Ellen and Margaret
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thanks again for this info. it seems that Daniel the king named nearly all his daughters after his aunts [patricks sisters] if it wasn't for the dates I would have thought it was michaels sisters. It can be quite confusing but I think Im getting my head round it. Would still love to find out more about Michael. have I read somewhere that the next Irish census is coming out early or am I mistaken. That would maybe help in my search about Michael. Thanks again for your help. agnes
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No census was taken in 1921, because of the War of Independence. The first census of the Irish Free State was taken in 1926 butunfortunately it won't be released until 2027.
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No census was taken in 1921, because of the War of Independence. The first census of the Irish Free State was taken in 1926 butunfortunately it won't be released until 2027.
Bad news for Northern Ireland counties, I'm afraid- "The official records of the first census carried out in Northern Ireland, in 1926, no longer exist."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-22848416
and in case you were hoping for a 1931 census- "A census in Northern Ireland had been taken in April 1926 so no census was taken there in 1931."
http://www.1911census.org.uk/1931.htm
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Thankyou for all your help. I will just have to keep trying and hope somebody picks up on this and can tell us a little of michaels life in Ireland. agnes
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Matilda O'Kane - born in "Flanders".
Hope this is of some help, in relation to a sense of place. Matilda O'Kane, here: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000615163/ is listed as being born ("Where Born") in "Flanders". Flanders is a townland approximately 2 and a half miles outside Dungiven, in the direction of Drum and Gortnaghey, and it's exact location is between; the Ballyguddin Road (locally known as the 'Moss Road'), the Drumrane Road, and the Altmover Road. It is the same small townland where the highly historically significant "Dungiven Costume" was found - more about this at: http://www.limavadyancestry.com/a-short-history-of-limavady-borough/limavady-in-the-1600s/ . Please see the Google Maps link to the location of the townland of Flanders, Dungiven, County Derry:
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Flanders+Rd,+Londonderry,+Limavady+BT47/@54.9403118,-6.9437128,16z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x4860132b9acd8977:0xbfb0eeaa3acef511
Hope this information is of some value and not a distraction, for anyone not living in County Derry.
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Hello,
Daniel O'Kane and Martha Doherty are my 2nd great grandparents. I was wondering if anyone has any information on Martha Doherty's family?
Also, is the actor Mark Gatiss' O'Kane/O'Mullan family line connected to Daniel O'Kane, King of Formil in some way?
Regards,
BiotiteMica
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Hi Hamish,
Since your 2nd great grandfather was Daniel the King of Formil, then you and I are distantly related.
Martha Doherty was born 15/10/1883 in Flanders ,Dungiven
Her father was Michael Doherty his mother was Mary Bradley .
Michael 35 and Mary 27 were married on 25-Oct-1874 in Dungiven parish.
Micheal's father was Edward...his address: Flanders
Mary's father was James ...address: Ballymacallion
Your O'Kane/O'Mullan question.
Margaret O'Mullan was my grandmother. Her mother was Elizabeth "Dunany" O'Kane. (Dunany was this branch of O'Kane's nickname to distinguish them from the other O'Kanes in the area)
Elizabeth was a younger sister of Patrick O'Kane,father of Daniel the King...so Margaret and Daniel were 1st cousins.
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Thank you so much.
I think I messaged you, and I did mention how I belong in this line in a separate post, but thought I'd add it here too.
Daniel King of Formil and Martha Doherty's daughter, Mary, is my great-grandmother. She came to New Zealand aboard the ship "Ionic" in 1929/30, arriving in Auckland, and not soon after came down to Wellington. Here she married Darby Greally, who was from Claregalway Co. Galway. He came a few years earlier in 1927 aboard the ship "Tainui" direct to Wellington.
Darby Greally and Mary O'Kane had 4 children, Martha, Mary, Daniel, and Dermott. Mary Greally is my Nana. Darby and Mary are buried at Whenua Tapu Cemetery in Pukerua Bay, northern Wellington.
Attached is a portrait of Mary O'Kane, daughter of Daniel King Of Formil, and Martha Doherty.
(https://mediasvc.ancestry.com/v2/image/namespaces/1093/media/bee0b3d0-fd17-4217-a9c5-df1935ba76e1.jpg?client=Trees&imageQuality=hq&maxWidth=1903&maxHeight=925)
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That's a great picture Hamish.
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It's a rather big one - I had to link it to the web address where it's held on my ancestry.com file on her.
This has been fantastic. I don't watch much TV (at least not national/cable TV - mainly online instead) and I was at a family members funeral (Mary's son, Daniel) just a fortnight ago, and Nana was telling me how the "Who do you think you are" episode was airing, and she couldn't believe they were talking about "her O'Kanes and Mullans in the same area!". Luckily, in terms of finding out about ancestry on her Greally and O'Kane sides, she said her mother Mary was always fond of talking about Ireland. Darby, on the other hand, did not speak much as he was a volunteer/ Old IRA member and it pained him to look back. So it seems he must have talked a bit to Mary, for her to then relay his stories to her children.
This has been wonderful to add to my family history records, thank you :)