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Hi, I'm looking for any details on my 5x Great Grandfather Phineas Brown. I know he married Susannah Cannings in 1779 in Bighton, Hampshire and that he had at least six children. I believe he lived in Crawley, Hants. where he died of Smallpox in 1808. These details came from Hampshire Parish records, but I cannot find any birth or baptism details or any other official documentation other than a summons and bastardy order.
Thanks
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Hi
Welcome to Rootschat,
Could this be them -
Susan Cannings
Daughter
England and Wales Census, 1851
birth: Astley, Lancashire
census: 1851 England
Name Susannah Canning
Age 12
Gender Female
Birthplace Astley, Lancashire
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Opps sorry - senior moment :)
Phinas Brown
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 25 December 1742 West Houghton, Lancashire, England
residence: West Houghton, Lancashire, England
father: Adam Brown
Name Phinas Brown
Gender Male
Christening Date 25 Dec 1742
Christening Place West Houghton, Lancashire, England
Father's Name Adam Brown
Astley and West Houghton being a few miles apart.
Steve
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Hi Steve,
Thank you for you reply. I'm not sure that Susannah Canning is the right one because the wedding date and age in 1851 doesn't tie up. But the prompt about Phinas Brown certainly looks a worth while investigation.
Thank you for the tips.
Paul
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if you go to
http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html
you will see it is registered as
25th December 1742 at St Marys ,Deane ,Lancashire
Phinias Brown - son of Adam Brown - abode - Westhoughton .
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Thank you. I'll follow it up.
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if you go to
http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html
you will see it is registered as
25th December 1742 at St Marys ,Deane ,Lancashire
Phinias Brown - son of Adam Brown - abode - Westhoughton .
if that is your Phinias Brown...looks like his parents marriage in the same church( St Mary the Virgin ,Deane )
12TH OCT 1731 - Adamus Brown to Catherina Leigh .....( latin version )
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Have you any details of his children,
St Peter Bolton,
26th August 1839
John Brown, full age widower, joiner,
of Pikes Lane,
Mary Highton, full age widow,
of Shuttle Street,
Grooms father Phineas, Brown, weaver
Brides father John Clark, joiner,
witness to marriage Robert Hill and James Liptrot
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Children found so far:
Thomas Brown Baptised 1783 Crawley
William Brown Baptised 1786 Crawley, Hants
Benjamin Brown " 1789 " "
James Brown " 1792 " "
Elizabeth Brown " 1795 Hampshire
Martha Brown " 1798 ?
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possible for Catherina Leigh baptism - in same church- St Mary the Virgin,Deane but living in Westhoughton
Baptism: 26 Dec 1705 St Mary, Deane, Lancashire, England
Jacobus and Catherina,
gemini Gulielmi Liegh de Westhaughton
Jacob and Catherine - twins - father William ( Gulielmi ) Leigh of Westhoughton - if this is correct Phinias Browns grandfather on his mothers side was William Leigh of Westhoughton ..
no sign of Adam Brown being baptised in that area
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Way back,
Adamus Browne of Robti Browne Amigeri, of Westhoughton,
baptised St Mary The Virgin Deane
22nd March 1640
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Children found so far:
Thomas Brown Baptised 1783 Crawley
William Brown Baptised 1786 Crawley, Hants
Benjamin Brown " 1789 " "
James Brown " 1792 " "
Elizabeth Brown " 1795 Hampshire
Martha Brown " 1798 ?
this would make the the Phinias Brown in Westhoughton at least 41 at the birth of Thomas Brown and 56 at the birth of Martha Brown ....
I think we have TWO Phineas Brown ....
1 in Lancashire
1 in Hampshire ......I think this needs more research into the Hampshire Phineas Brown and family .Unfortunately , I only have knowledge of Lancashire records that early ...you need a Hampshire specialist ...
You say your Phineas Brown died of Smallpox in 1808 - do you have his age when he died ??...was he 66 ??.......if he was nowhere near that age - that would confirm we have the wrong Phineas in Lancashire ..
good luck .. ;)
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Thank you everybody for your replies.
Garstonite:
His age was listed as 51? in the Parish records. Which, I assume, means that they weren't sure.
It may mean that we have been chasing two Phineas Browns.
Thanks for your help.
Paul
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There this marriage Manchester, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930 (from ancestry)
15 Mar 1785 St Mary Deane
Phineas BROWN batchelor Sarah EDGE widow
both of this Parish, he signed, she made her mark (x)
in the presence of Jas Byley & William Brown
ADDED
baptisms at St Bartholomew Westhoughton
Mother Sarah father (various spellings) Phineas, Pinchas, Pehenhas, Phincas
Ralph 24 Jul 1785 burial 30 Sep 1792
John 19 May 1787
William 16 Apr 1789 burial 5 Sep 1790
Ann 1 Oct 1791
Catharine 18 Apr 1794
Ralph 25 Feb 1797
familysearch has the other marriage https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NKHS-BQN
29 October 1779 Brighton Hampshire
Phineas BROWN to Susanna CANNINGS
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Hi Ladyhawk,
The second marriage listed is the one I'm after. I have previously found this record and believe that it is my 5 x Great Grandfather and mother. This is where my tree stops as I can't find a birth or baptism record for him and so have no idea of his parents names etc.
Thank you for replying.
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Thanks Ladyhawk ...so totally wrong Phinias Brown in Lancashire...lol...ah well - all part of the fun of research ...never mind
back to the drawing board
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Hi
I can confirm Phineas Brown married Susannah Cannings Bighton Hants 29 October 1779
Phineas died of smallpox and was buried St Mary's Crawley 16 July 1808 aged 51. Therefore, I believe he was born abt 1757, but I haven't managed to find a birth for him yet. I have found a Phineas James Brown buried in Sneed Wiltshire 1781 aged 54 husband of Lydia - but that is quite a step from Crawley. Another possible is Phineas Brown buried 16 Feb 1748 All Saints Whiteparish Wilts, but I do no know the age at death. He might be the same Phineas Browne who married Ann Elliot 26 Dec 1701 Whiteparish.
Susannah appears on the 1841 Census living in Crawley as Susan Brown aged 90. As she is living with one Sally Sandom aged 79, I assume she was living in almshouses. It could be that Sally was family as there is a marriage between Elizabeth Brown and William Sandom 9 Nov 1816 St Mary's Crawley - likely to be Betty Brown. Sally may be William's mother - a Joseph Sandom married a Sarah Inward St Mary's Crawley 20 Jan 1782. Susannah/Susan Brown was buried in St Mary's Crawley Sept 13 1843.
Their children were:
1. Thomas bap April 30 1782 buried 16 Nov 1866 both St Mary's Crawley Married Hannah HALL Feb 3 1806 St Mary's Crawley.
2.William b 1786
3.Benjamin b 1789
4. James b 1792
5. Betty b 1795 married Wm Sandom 1816 at least 4 children
6. Martha b 1798
My connection with the Brown Family is through Rhoda Brown, grt grand daughter of Phineas and Susannah thru eldest son Thomas. Rhoda b Crawley 1848 who married William PIPER of Sparsholt in St Mary's Crawley in 1868.
I have read that some Hampshire and Wiltshire Cannings came from Protestant Ireland in the 17th century, but I haven't managed to establish whether Susannah is connected to this line. I would be interested in know more about the Bastardy Order.
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Hi gene-genie,
Thank you very much for your reply. It's given me some information that I didn't have regarding others from the family. If you are interested, the Brown tree from my research is available on ancestry.com under the paulmartin340 tree.
The Summons and Bastardy examination is attached. The originals are available from the Hampshire Records office.
Happy Christmas
The files are too large to attach to this. I can email direct to you if send me your email.
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Not sure if this thread is still live but I have more information on Phinehas Brown if anyone is interested.
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Hi ChrisND,
I'm still interested in Phineas brown.
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Not sure if this thread is still live but I have more information on Phinehas Brown if anyone is interested.
I'm still interested in phineas brown many thanks
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Hi
I have only just come across this post having spent most of today trying to find Phineas.
I believe that his baptism is registered on FamilySearch as Venus Brown (male) on 19th December 1751 in Houghton, Hampshire
regards
Paul Griffin
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Hi everyone,
Has any one managed to further mysterious Phineas Brown ???
I still haven't?
Still can't find a birth for the baby she was pregnant with at time of marriage/arrest??
Hope we find out soon
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Hello bnrown9318, welcome to RootsChat :)
Paul has sent me this reply which was meant for you in error.
Hi
I’ve found what I believe to be his Christening record :
name Venus Brown
Male Birth year
Birth place
Baptism year 1751 Baptism date 19 Dec 1751
Residence Houghton, Hampshire, England
Father's first name Thomas
Mother's name Elizabeth Brown
Regards
Paul Griffin
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Hi thanks for replying! I'm kinda new back. I posted the original post in 2010/2011.
I had thought that was phineas birth original but wondered if anyone actually found proof thats he is the direct ancestor to Thomas Brown
I think the baby Susannah was carrying born around 1780 must not of survived?
Any thoughts anyone??