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Could someone please lookup in the Oxfordshire Parish Records any marriages for a Charles KING to an Elizabeth, in the period around 1750-1820?
I have one noted down already, for a Charles King to Elizabeth Spencer on 16/11/1772 in Tackley, but there should be another as that one doesn't fit into my tree :\
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Hi,
Source: Oxfordshire Parish Register Transcripts, Miscellaneous Parishes, Volume 2, Tackley:-
16th November 1772, Charles KING, Bachelor, married Elizabeth SPENCER, Spinster, both of this parish, by Banns.
Witnesses: Mary NELSON & Mary RICHARDS
The following marriage may well be of interest:-
15th October 1753, Thomas KING married Sarah TIDMARSH, both of this parish, by Banns.
Victor :)
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Thanks Victor, reckon that Thomas=Sarah marriage will fit into my tree somewhere at some point.
Hmm so no other marriages between a Charles King and an Elizabeth anywhere anytime in Oxfordshire apart from that 1772 Tackley one? ???
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Hi,
I stopped at 1772 when I found the Charles KING and Elizabeth SPENCER marriage. I'll have a look at the post-1772 marriages, up to 1820 for you later in the day as I am on my way to Glos Archives, as it is my volunteer day.
Victor
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Ok thanks. Basically there are a group of children born in Tackley between 1770-1780 who have parents of Charles King and Elizabeth, and also a group of children born in Kirtlington between 1803-1818 with parents of Charles King and Elizabeth, but I don't think they are the same parents. I've associated that Tackley 1772 marriage to the first, but haven't been able to find a second marriage.
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Hi,
I have re-checked the Tackley PRs and there is NO other marriage there for a Charles & Elizabeth KING. I have checked the baptisms at Tackley for Charles & Elizabeth's (married 16/11/1772) children and think that their first-born is the possible 2nd Charles you are looking for.
13/05/1770, SPENCER Charles the bastard son of Elizabeth SPENCER which she swore to Charles KING of this parish.
11/04/1773, KING Martha dau of Charles & Elizabeth
14/08/1774, KING John son of Charles & Elizabeth (baptised privately)
07/07/1776, KING Mary dau of Charles & Elizabeth
22/03/1778, KING Ann dau of Charles & Elizabeth
11/06/1780, KING Sarah dau of Charles & Elizabeth
I don't have access to the Kitlington so can't check if your 2nd Charles' marriage occurred there.
The Oxfordshire Family History Society would probably check it for you. Hope that helps.
Victor
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Thanks for checking marriages and for that information, much appreciated :)
I agree with you that the son Charles born 1770 is probably the Charles who fathered the Kirtlington children.
There is though no marriage between a Charles King and an Elizabeth that took place in Kirtlington around 1800. This is what confuses me about all this.
However, perhaps there will be if I look for marriage of a Charles *Spencer* rather than King. I'll see if I can get that looked up.
Although the Kirtlington children are stated as those of a Charles King, so perhaps he was just baptised and married as a Spencer and then used King afterwards (by which point, his mother would have married and been King). That could well be what's confused matters.
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Hi,
Good luck with your search. I still think that Oxfordshire FHS may well short-circuit your search.
Merry Christmas.
Victor :)
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I have had a good look at the OFHS database and at the Kirtlington PR, and I cannot find any trace of a marriage between Charles KING and and an Elizabeth in Kirtlington around 1800.
Apart from the marriage in Tackley in 1772 which you know about, there are just two records on the OFHS marriage database where a Charles KING marries an Elizabeth at the time you are interested in, and neither is obviously promising. One is Charles KING marrying Elizabeth WHITE at North Hinksey (then in Berkshire) on 5 June 1797. The other is Charles KING marrying Elizabeth RANDEL from Oxford St Peter in the East at Oxford St Cross on 26 December 1799.
There are no entries at all in the OFHS Oxfordshire husbands database for Charles SPENCER (or SPENSER).
I am sorry I cannot be more helpful.
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For the King=Randall marriage in Ox St Cross 1799 there are also baptisms of children for them in early 1800s at the same time as the baptisms of the children in Kirtlington, so that can't be the right marriage or the Charles & Elizabeth we're looking for.
For the King=White marriage in North Hinksey 1797 there was one child, Anne, baptised there in 1798 to them and then no more. There is also baptism of an Elizabeth White in 1775 in the parish, and the marriage said Elizabeth was otp. I couldn't find one for Charles. I wonder whether Charles (born 1770 Tackley) married Elizabeth there in her home parish, which isn't that far away, and then after birth of Anne (though I don't know what then happened to her) they moved to Kirtlington in early 1800s before John was born.
I can't think of any other way to proceed apart from making that assumption.
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There are 9 Charles KINGs on the OFHS database baptised between 1760 and 1780. I guess one of them is likely to be the one who married Elizabeth WHITE in North Hinksey in 1797. Apart from the one baptised in Tackley in 1770, the others were baptised in: 1763 in Appleton; 1764 in Gt Haseley; 1772 in Ambroseden; 1772 in Witney St Mary; 1778 in Oxford Holywell; 1778 in Wytham (which is next to North Hinksey); 1779 in Buckland; and 1780 in Oxford St Giles.
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There are 9 Charles KINGs on the OFHS database baptised between 1760 and 1780. I guess one of them is likely to be the one who married Elizabeth WHITE in North Hinksey in 1797.
Ah. So may not be my Charles from Tackley then :-\
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Bump of this to see if we can make any progress on this with a fresh view.
John King, baptised 1803 Kirtlington to parents Charles King and Elizabeth.
Looking for their marriage.
Charles King married 1772 in Tackley to Elizabeth Spencer. Elizabeth had a son, Charles, baptised 1770 in Tackely sworn to Charles King. They had more children together after marriage from 1773-1784. They would be too old to be John's parents, more likely Charles jnr is the father.
Can't find a second marriage for a Charles King and Elizabeth in Kirtlington or nearby places.
Two potential options from OFHS for Charles jnr:
Charles to Elizabeth RANDAL, 1799 Oxford, this ruled out because there are baptisms their of their children in early 1800s at same time as John etc being baptised in Kirtlington.
Charles to Elizabeth White, 1797 North Hinksey, supporting evidence is that they were recorded as lodgers not of the parish and there is Elizabeth White baptism 1785 in NH so they could have simply gone there to get married in her home parish. Only problem is there are a lot of Charles King's around.
At the moment John's parents are in the tree as Charles jnr and Elizabeth White... I can't think what to do to prove/disprove this.