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Title: banbridge co down ireland
Post by: cathy52 on Saturday 21 December 13 22:17 GMT (UK)
Why cant I find my gt aunt who was born in 1864 in banbridge co down.she was sarah potts her father was william potts her mother was mary scott from seapatrick co down. :'(,
Title: Re: banbridge co down ireland
Post by: aghadowey on Saturday 21 December 13 22:38 GMT (UK)
Your earlier topic on DOWN board (where this one also belongs) listed the family-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=605312

1864 was the start of birth reistration but not all early births were registered. It's also possible that Sarah was born sonetime before 1864- where did you get a year for her birth?
Title: Re: banbridge co down ireland
Post by: cathy52 on Sunday 22 December 13 03:05 GMT (UK)
I have her marriage cert and her death cert.but I am finding it very hard to find her birth. :'(
Title: Re: banbridge co down ireland
Post by: aghadowey on Sunday 22 December 13 11:17 GMT (UK)
Yes, but "where did you get a year for her birth?" If it was calculated from marriage and/or birth certificate or census records then the date 1864 may not be accuarate.

If you know what church(es) the family attended then you could check if baptismal records shed any light on when she was born (some registers only give baptism date but if before 1864 then you'll know why you can't find a birth certificate).
Title: Re: banbridge co down ireland
Post by: Kairen on Wednesday 05 February 14 21:32 GMT (UK)
I am also looking for my great great grandmother, Mary Jane Hammond who married Charles Morgan  June 19, 1858 in Garvaghy, Down, Ireland.  I can only find a record of their marriage through Family Search and thus I also know her father was Moses Hammond.  Her Death Notice states her mother's maiden name as Bowman.  But I can also find no other records for any of these people.
Title: Re: banbridge co down ireland
Post by: aghadowey on Wednesday 05 February 14 22:12 GMT (UK)
What sort of 'other records' are you expecting to find? Civil registration of births, deaths & Catholic marriages started in 1864 (from 1845 for non-Catholic marriages) so before these dates you'd need to search for church records- which may not be online or even survive/exist.

This is the marriage you've mentioned- the certificate will list bride's residence and father's occupation-
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGZ9-RJN

'Moses Hammond' is hopefully a fairly uncommon name and I did find this mention of one born c1805 Co. Down-
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V5HP-128
Title: Re: banbridge co down ireland
Post by: iluleah on Wednesday 05 February 14 22:51 GMT (UK)
You already have Ros's website, so have you looked at  Ray's ? http://www.rootschat.com/links/0xy7/

You may or may not know that Seapatrick is a village next to Banbridge, which is now 'joined' because of the 'new build' houses and school, so part of Banbridge and the name comes from the river Bann which run through and was given the name when they built the bridge in the early 1700s... it is a lovely town
Title: Re: banbridge co down ireland
Post by: iluleah on Wednesday 05 February 14 22:58 GMT (UK)
I am also looking for my great great grandmother, Mary Jane Hammond who married Charles Morgan  June 19, 1858 in Garvaghy, Down, Ireland.  I can only find a record of their marriage through Family Search and thus I also know her father was Moses Hammond.  Her Death Notice states her mother's maiden name as Bowman.  But I can also find no other records for any of these people.

Griffiths Valuation Record Information
Tenant
Family Name 1   MORGAN
Forename 1   CHARLES
Landlord
Family Name 2   MCAULEY
Forename 2   SAMUEL
Location
County   DOWN
Barony   IVEAGH, UPPER (LOWER HALF)
Union   BANBRIDGE
Parish   DRUMGOOLAND
Townland   CLOGHSKELT
Place Name   CLOGHSKELT
Place Type   TOWNLAND
Publication Details
Position on Page   3
Printing Date   1863
Act   15&16
Sheet Number   35
Map Reference   56
Title: Re: banbridge co down ireland
Post by: BallyaltikilliganG on Saturday 16 May 15 14:59 BST (UK)
I noticed your newest query on Potts, but prefer to reply here.

This simple record just records the homestead/tenant who has I acre or more for tax purposes, but helps with searching church records
Potts, James    Townland: Ballymoney Year: 1828
Potts, Richard    Townland: Ballyvally Year: 1828
http://www.irishgenealogyhub.com/down/tithe-applotment-books/seapatrick-parish.php#.VVdLYkuDoYU

You can search the same website for Garvaghy
Hammond, Richard Townland: Tullinisky Year: 1834

Hammond, Robert Townland: Tullinisky Year: 1834

Have you searched all the church records listed by Ros Davies see

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/CHURCHES/A-I.htm#Garvaghy for Hammond

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/PHOTOSwords/SeapatrickAll.htm for Potts

and exhausted http://countydown.x10.mx
Title: Re: banbridge co down ireland
Post by: Kairen on Saturday 16 May 15 17:59 BST (UK)
Yes, I have looked at all the sites and still can't find anything else.  Thank you
Title: Re: banbridge co down ireland
Post by: Kairen on Saturday 16 May 15 18:14 BST (UK)
I have this info on Moses Hammond but can find no other nor record of his marriage to Bowman

MOSES HAMMOND Born GRIVAGHY, Down Served in 7th Dragoon Guards Discharged aged 31 Royal Hospital Chelsea: Soldiers Service Documents. 1760-1854: discharge papers arranged by regiment, but each described at item level. (WO 97/1-1271). MOSES HAMMOND Born GRIVAGHY, Down Served in 7th Dragoon Guards Discharged aged 31. Collection:Records created or inherited by the War Office, Armed Forces, Judge Advocate General, and related bodiesDate range: 1814 - 1827 Reference:WO 97/59/51
Title: Re: banbridge co down ireland
Post by: Kairen on Wednesday 07 December 16 18:30 GMT (UK)
You mention that the certificate will give me further info but there is no image available.  How do I view the certificate?https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGZ9-RJN
Title: Re: banbridge co down ireland
Post by: Elwyn Soutter on Wednesday 07 December 16 18:33 GMT (UK)
You mention that the certificate will give me further info but there is no image available.  How do I view the certificate?https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGZ9-RJN

You can view the original certificate on-line on the GRONI website, using the “search registrations” option:

https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk

You will need to open an account and buy some credits. It costs £2.50 (sterling) to a view a certificate.

Title: Re: banbridge co down ireland
Post by: Kairen on Wednesday 07 December 16 18:38 GMT (UK)
Thank you Elwyn.  I must work out how to buy credit in sterling.  I am in South Africa. :-\
Title: Re: banbridge co down ireland
Post by: Elwyn Soutter on Wednesday 07 December 16 18:42 GMT (UK)
With a credit card?
Title: Re: banbridge co down ireland
Post by: Kairen on Wednesday 07 December 16 18:52 GMT (UK)
They want to charge fifteen pounds not 2 pounds fifty.  Have a chosen the wrong option?
Title: Re: banbridge co down ireland
Post by: Elwyn Soutter on Wednesday 07 December 16 18:53 GMT (UK)
Yes use "search registrations." The option you have gone for is for ordering a formal copy by post.
Title: Re: banbridge co down ireland
Post by: Kairen on Wednesday 07 December 16 19:02 GMT (UK)
Thanks I tried that and tried to buy some credit but it does not like my south african bank card
Title: Re: banbridge co down ireland
Post by: Kairen on Wednesday 07 December 16 19:03 GMT (UK)
I could ask someone in the UK to do it for me but how will they know how many credits they need to buy?
Title: Re: banbridge co down ireland
Post by: Kairen on Wednesday 07 December 16 19:53 GMT (UK)
OK it worked and I got credits and I could search but how do I view the certificate?
Title: Re: banbridge co down ireland
Post by: Elwyn Soutter on Wednesday 07 December 16 20:06 GMT (UK)
Click on “search for a marriage registration”.
It should then invite you to log in.
Log in.
Enter either party’s name and the year of the marriage.
There’s only 1 match in 1858. (Couple married 19.6.1858 Banbridge regn area).
Click on “Full”.

After a short pause, that will then bring up the image of the original marriage certificate, with typewritten information beneath it.
Title: Re: banbridge co down ireland
Post by: Kairen on Wednesday 07 December 16 20:21 GMT (UK)
Thank you.  Will try that.  How many credits will it ask for, do you know?
Title: Re: banbridge co down ireland
Post by: Elwyn Soutter on Wednesday 07 December 16 20:34 GMT (UK)
Thank you.  Will try that.  How many credits will it ask for, do you know?

Each credit is 50p. So it should be 5 credits.
Title: Re: banbridge co down ireland
Post by: Kairen on Wednesday 07 December 16 20:48 GMT (UK)
Thanks