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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Pembrokeshire => Topic started by: MikePD on Friday 27 December 13 19:05 GMT (UK)
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I have just started to seriously research the Pembrokeshire branch of my family tree so I am starting this thread hoping that someone else shares my interest in the family. My 2x Gt Grand Father Thomas Richards in 1861 was living in Stoney Glade, Sardis, Burton with his wife Elizabeth nee Lloyd and his 6 children. His occupation was a Dockyard labourer so it was a long daily trip down to Buton Ferry and across the haven.
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I presume this is Thomas Richards who in 1861 is aged 36 years born at Burton and living with his wife Elizabeth Richards.
I note the baptism of a Thomas Richards at Burton on the 07th Dec 1823 the son of William & Martha Richards. A William Richards had married a Martha Jenkins at Burton on the 10th Oct 1819.
1841 William Martha and children among them Thomas reside in Burton Village. By the mid 19th William & Martha Farm at Burton whilst Thomas is possibly up the line in Cardiff.
Rgds
Owen Ap Benfro
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Thanks for replying and the information.
Yes that is him. I'm his descendant through his daughter Anne Maria. She dropped the Anne part of her name after 1861, and in all certificates and Census she is just Maria, which has made the job of tracing her back a bit more difficult. But the certificates show her father as Thomas and place of birth as Sardis and investing in the other Maria birth certificates of around her birth date have eliminated them.
Maria married Benjamin Brown, a soldier from the 9th Regiment of foot (East Norfolks) in 1874. He demobbed and stayed in PD, and after his death a decade later she married William Henry Jones, a shoemaker, although I can find no official record of this marriage.
I have a few dozen matches of baptisms and marriages from the Burton Parish records (from FindMyPast) for the Richards but haven't worked through them yet
There are 2 other Richard families in Burton in 1861 besides mine. Firstly, William Richards, 69, a Sawyer, born Llanstadwell and his wife Mary, 74, a Burton girl, living at Nash Mill with their grand children William and Annie Gunter and their son William. And secondly the ones you mentioned, William Richards, 64, Farmer of 30 acres and his wife Martha, 67, both born Burton together with some of their children, Jenkins in laws, and nieces from the Williams family.
Thanks and Regards
Mike
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I have just started to seriously research the Pembrokeshire branch of my family tree so I am starting this thread hoping that someone else shares my interest in the family. My 2x Gt Grand Father Thomas Richards in 1861 was living in Stoney Glade, Sardis, Burton with his wife Elizabeth nee Lloyd and his 6 children. His occupation was a Dockyard labourer so it was a long daily trip down to Buton Ferry and across the haven.
Are you sure the address is Stoney Glade? I ask only because there is an area known as Stony Slad or Stony Slade at the bottom of the lane below Sardis Baptist Chapel.
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Thanks very much for the reply and my apologies for the mistake. It is Stony Slade. Thomas Richards was living there in 1861 and through to at least 1891. During his time there he had various occupations; as a labourer in the Dockyard and on the land; two marriages and at least seven children at the last count.
Mike
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Hi Mike, My name is Steve Richards. My great grandfather was William Richards of Stony Slade, his father was Thomas Richards of Stony Slade (1861). His sister was Anne Maria Richards. William was married to Fanny Barrah who died during or just after childbirth in 1896. He then married his housekeeper Florence Roberts. He had 5 boys in total and my grandfather was George Bertie Richards. William moved the family to Swansea in the late 1920' s, I believe. My father can remember visiting 1 Golden Hill in Pembroke as a young boy and believes there was some connection to the farm opposite. I have quite a lot of information on the family if you are interested in seeing it. I now live overlooking the old farm across the valley.
Regards
Steve
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Hello Steve, thanks for contacting me. My Great Grand Mother was Ann Maria Richards, (she seems to have dropped the Ann and just used Maria in adult life). I traced her back to living in Stoney Slade as Ann Maria in the 1861 census with her parents Thomas and Elizabeth. Just being known as Maria and not Ann Maria did give me some doubts but her marriage certificate has Thomas Richards as her father and in some Census her birthplace as Sardis. I have checked the birth certificates of the other Maria Richards that were born in Pembrokeshire around the right time and none match. So Ann Maria Richards birth certificate has her born in Southland 26 Feb 1855. So I firmly believe I have the right one.
She married, Benjamin Brown, a private from the 9th Regiment of foot (East Norfolks) in 1874 and later that year he left the army and stayed in PD. They had two children before his early death in 1886. She remarried (However I cannot find a marriage certificate for the claimed event) to William Jones, shoemaker, who later had the shoe shop at the bottom of (7) Meyrick Street and had five more children.
You will know a great deal more about the family than me and yes I am interested.
I'll PM my email
Regards
Mike Silburn
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Hi, Mike I've sent you an email.
Steve
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Good afternoon Steve,
Are you still researching Richards of Burton area? If so we may cross lines somewhere. I am also researching family of same name in same area but slightly different results and matches.
My lines are David Richards 1850 Llanstadwell, son of Thomas 1823 of Burton, a Shipwright in 1861 census residing in Trafalgar Cottages, Llanstadwell. His wife is confirmed from this as Esther John as her mother is also living with them. Then on to Burton where I linked him as son of William & Martha bapt. 1823.
Do we share history somewhere?
Regards, Chris
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Hi. I have just started researching my ancestry and found this post on the Richards family. Steve....my grandfather was Arthur Richards....your grandfather, George Bertie's, brother.
Arthur had 4 children and named one of his sons Bertie probably after his brother. The others were Horace, my dad - Desmond Richards and Dawn who is the only surviving child.
I think this makes us 3rd cousins or something like that!!
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Hi, I have checked the info I have and true enough my grandfather had a brother,Arthur. I was too young when my grandfather died to have met any of his family. I did briefly meet my fathers cousin back in 2016 at my fathers funeral (Ken) in Swansea. I don't know his name but my Aunt thinks he was from grandmothers side. It seems the family didn't really keep much contact in later years which is a great shame. I now live in Llangwm with a view of the old farm at Stony Slad over the valley. I have a good family tree written down. This takes us back to around 1750 in the Burton area of Pembrokeshire. As you may have seen, Another person based in Pembroke Dock is also researching and has a lot of information. I would need an email address to send you a copy of our family tree. I am guessing you are based in Swansea as most of the family moved there. Further I have just spoken to my aunt(Sylvia). She remembers Arthur and visited him when she was young with her father. She thinks it was in Three Crosses or Gowerton. She remembers that Desmond worked for Genders butchers. She also worked with Dawn at the DVLA. It may be you have more info on how our family came to be in Swansea? I would be very interested in anything from 1920 to date.
Regards
Steve
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Hi Steve
Thomas Richards and Elizabeth Lloyde are my 2 x Gt Grandparents. I am related down through Margaret Richards (1870) who ended up living in Fleetwood, Lancashire. Have you managed to find a birth record for Elizabeth Lloyde (1821) father John Lloyde?
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Hi, I am directly descended from William Richards age16 in the 1881 census at Stony Slade. It looks like your relative was his sister.
I haven’t looked into his fathers first wife Elizabeth Lloyd. I have included some of the info I have below. The 1861 census shows my 2x great father was married to Elizabeth. Stony Slade is still there, it is a small holding. The main house has tumbled down. I’m not very far from it.
Hope this helps.
1881 Census – Stoney Slade
Thomas Richards, 55, b. 1826 in Nash Hill, Burton – Dockyard Painter & Decorator
Jane, Thomas’s second wife, 51, b. 1822 in Cants Hill, Llanstadwell
Thomas, 21, b. 1860 at Stoney Slade – Dockyard Blacksmith
William, 16, b. 1865 at Stoney Slade – Cabinet Maker
Margaret, 13, b. 1868, also at Stoney Slade
Living at Ferry Hill, Burton was Owen Jenkins and his family:
Owen Jenkins, 46, b. 1835 – a Shipwright
Mary, 41, b. 1840, and their 5 children – William Hugh, 21, b. 1860; Edmund, 17, b. 1864; Alice Mary, 15, b. 1866; Thomas Henry, 13, b. 1868; and Sarah Jane, 11, b. 1870; Minnie, 7, b. 1874, and Annie 5, b. 1876. Mary’s widowed mother Jane was also living with the family.
Next door lived the Jenkins brothers - Thomas 34, and John, 24. Also Thomas’s wife Martha, 32, b. Marloes, and their 5 children –
William, 13; Joseph, 11; Mary MARIA, 7; Elizabeth, 4; and James, 2.
Also recorded with the family is Thomas Richards, 6, registered as a Boarder, also born in Burton.
1871 Census – Stoney Slade
Thomas Richards, widower, 45, b. 1826 in Stoney Slade – Agricultural Labourer
Mary Ann, Thomas’s single daughter, 19, b. 1852 in Burton – Housekeeper
Thomas, 11, b. 1860; Francis (daughter), 7, b. 1864; and William 6, b. 1865 – all born in Burton.
Living at Pembroke Ferry Cottage next to the Jolly Sailor Public House was the Jenkins family:
Owen Jenkins, 36, b. 1835 – a Shipwright
Mary, 31, b. 1840, and their 5 children – William Hugh, 11, b. 1860; Esmond (Edmund in the 81 Census), 7, b. 1864; Alice Mary, 5, b. 1866; Thomas Henry, 3, b. 1868; and Sarah Jane, 2 month old.
1867 – Martha, wife of William Richards died aged 73. She was buried on the 2nd August.
1865 – Elizabeth Florence Roberts was born in the 2nd quarter of 1865 in Rosemarket.
1862 – William Richards died in the 3rd quarter
1861 – 2nd quarter Owen Jenkins married Mary Howells also from a Burton family. (N.B. Jane Howells, Mary’s mother was living with the family at Ferry Hill in the 1881 Census. She was a 78 year old widow).
1861 Census – Stoney Slade
Thomas, 36, b. 1825 in Burton – Dockyard Labourer
Elizabeth (nee Lloyd), 40, b. 1821 in Haroldston, St. Issells.
Mary Ann, 9, b. 1852; Anne Maria, 6, b. 1855; Elizabeth, 4, b. 1857; Thomas, 1, b. 1860 – all born in Burton.