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Independent Islands => Isle of Man => Isle of Man Lookup Requests => Topic started by: maple4syrup on Saturday 28 December 13 03:30 GMT (UK)
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To my great delight I found I have both maternal and paternal Manx ancestors. The paternal side is limited to my g.grandfather and mother coming to the IoM in about 1878 or so.All their 6 children were born here,one daughter, Emily b. 23 April 1884 is my grandmother. The family returned to England in time for the 1901 census. On the maternal side, are the Hudson's. My grandfather was born in Liverpool but his parents were John Hudson and Margaret Stevens. They were married in the Parish Church of German on May 15 1862. According to the record of marriage, John
s father was also John and he was a Farrier, Margaret was from Alnwick Northumberland and her father was a mason. At the time of the marriage Margaret and I presume her father, lived in Ballaquane. I cannot with any certainty go back further as there were so many Hudson's in the south of the Island around that time, I think John's mother could have been a Jane Kelly.
I would be very grateful for help in tracing "my" Hudson's back as far as possible.
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the minor detail of the approx dob of John would help - I presume you can find him in some census
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When I started I did pore over the census but there were so many Hudson's all with the same names I gave up. I tried working backwards from the family bible, and my g.grand-father John Hudson and the 1881 census for Liverpool where they lived. There it says he was born in 1840 in Castletown. After reviewing all the info I have, it now seems that that and the marriage cert. are the only really safe dates I have. Even the origins of the bride and her Dad are looking decidedly iffy!! Don't ask!!!
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try John s/o John Hutchins(also Hudson in earlier bapts) and probably Jane Brew - is an extracted record for baptism in Castletown 18380702 but I couldn't find it under this date when I looked at original register so suspect it was a later 'presented to congrgation' post 1841 which mentioned the private baptism date and the IGI reindexed under that date - maybe try www.imuseum.im (I'll see if I did photo some later pages of reg but suspect not judging from my notes)
Father John was a tanner and m Jane Brew Santan 18230612
how old was wife ? - any age at death noted ?
ETA try Elizabeth Margt Stephen bapt German 18400823 (Manx usually used 2nd baptismal name whereas officials recorded by 1st - adds to general confusion and problems by those unfamiliar with Manx records) - father Wm was an ag lab(at Cronk dhoo in 1841) probably born Jurby - mother Elizth Kellly tho I noted I hadn't located a marriage
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There it says he was born in 1840 in Castletown. After reviewing all the info I have, it now seems that that and the marriage cert. are the only really safe dates I have.
Ages on census are not always correct - you really need the birth cert to confirm d.o.b.
This looks a strong possiblity for John in 1871
97 Overbury St Liverpool Lancs
John Hudson Jead M 32 Joiner Castleton I.o.m.
Margaret wife 29 Newcastle Northumberland
Catherine E daughter 7 Liverpool Lancs
John T son 5 Liverpool
Charles W son 3 Liverpool
Margaret daughter 9mths Liverpool
RG10 3843 8 9
Possibility for John in 1851
92 Malew St Castleton Isle of Man
John Hudson Head M 53 Tanner & Leather Cutter Castleton I.o.m.
Jane wife 48 St Ann
George son 19 Blacksmith's app Castleton
Mary A daughter 16 Castleton
John son 12 Castleton
Jane 8 Castleton
Robert son 5 Castleton
HO107 2526 147 31
Suz
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there are NO manx birth certs pre 1877 except for a very few who bothered to get a civil doc post 1847 - baptisms are all you get (likewise no civil marrs)
John a joiner is still with fam in Castletown in 61
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do you sometimes get d.o.b. on baptisms?/
this looks like the family in 1871 - Jane now a widow
67 Malew St Castleton Isle of Man
Jane Hudson Head widow 58 Leather Dealer
George son U 30 Ironmonger
Mary A daughter U 28 Dressmaker
Jane daughter U 24 Milliner
Robert son U 22 Tanner
all b Castleton
RG10 5777 194 13
and in 1891 it seems the siblings are together
50 Malew St Castleton
William Hudson Head M 54 Furniture Dealer
George brother U 52 Tinsmith & Ironmonger
Mary A sister U 50 Shopwoman (boots & shoes)
Jane sister U 46 Shopwoman (Boots & shoes)
Robert brother U 44 Farrier Leather dealer
all b Castleton
RG12 4691 11 15
Suz
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do you sometimes get d.o.b. on baptisms? yes but rare and general in early regs only for children of vicar who in a couple of case noted the actual hour (+ phase of the moon!)
any way looks as tho John is sorted out - in 61 census father John noted as born Patrick in 51 the birth parish was overwritten - could be Rus could be Cas
in 61 the visitor Esther Quine is d/o Wm Quine + Elizth Brew who looks to be sister of Jane Brew both d/o Wm Brew + mary Quirk of Ballagick - the Brews of Santan have been covered on http://www.isle-of-man.com/genealogy/messageboard/index.pl - and I have detailed land records on my MNB CD (see www.manxnotebook.com) can possibly take them back to 1590
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the MI in Malew (Glebe yard plot A5 + 6 is
n memory of / JOHN HUDSON / Tanner of Castletown who departed this life / February 12th 1867 / in the 69th year of his age / The Righteous shall be in everlasting remembrance-/ Psalm CX11.6 / Also in affectionate remembrance of JANE (BREW) / wife of the above-named / John Hudson / Born February 25th 1801 / Died March 27th 1891 / Another Gem in the Saviour's Crown / Another Soul in Heaven. In loving memory of / ROBERT / son of John and Jane Hudson / who departed this life / November 17th 1900 / Aged 52 years / Blessed are the pure in heart / for they shall see God / MATT. V. 9 / Also in loving memory of / GEORGE / brother of the above / who died June 5th 1906 / Aged 70 years / For ever with the Lord.
plus E 7+8 - Affectionate re: embrance / of / CHARLES HUDSON / of Castletown / who died at Liverpool / July 2nd 1877 / Aged 48 years / He is interred in this Churchyard / Blessed are the pure in heart / for they shall see God./Matt. V.8 / Also of / ELIZA,. HUDSON / wife of the above-named / who died at Castletown 1st Dec. 1908 / Aged 80 years.
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Thanks suzard for your help and your time. I I'm fine with the Hudsons once they are in Liverpool! it's all the confusion in who went and where they came from that's so hard for me to trace!
Frances, I went back to the copies of pages of the family bible to recheck. (Apparently it was usual for a newly married couple to be given a Bible) The handwriting is beautiful and very clear
so I read, Family Register, Parents names. John Hudson born June 28th 1838, wife Margaret Hudson born Nov.22 1841 Married May 15th 1862. John was already in Birkenhead as a joiner when he got married! Fast lad that, as he was on the 1861 Manx census!! I did look up Ballaquane on my map and it looks as if the church they married in wasn't too far away from her home at that time. just afyi John was also a herb beer maker and I saw his recipe book many years ago but the joinery probably paid more!!
After dinner I shall follow the trail you laid. It is most kind of you to take all this trouble and time.
Just about to hit post and I see 2 more replies. Frances you are nothing short of amazing!!
Reading these entries I am even more puzzled why my g.mother didn't contact her Hudson relatives when we came in 1941 to live in Abbeylands for 3 or 4 years.
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I know Ballaquane well - I live there when in Peel (tho not in the posh house! tho that is visible from my window) it's about 10min walk down hill to St Peters in centre of Peel (what is now the cathedral wasn't built then) - you can see photos etc on my website www.manxnotebook.com - if you have the correct Margt (I assume he only had the one wife) then possibly her father was associated with some rebuilding work tho Ballaquane house dates from 1890's I think - I couldn't find a Wm Steven in Peel in 61census so John must have been quick at wooing - there was a brewery on Ballaquane tho this dates somewhat earlier - also a somewhat strange E Hinton esq who built Hinton Turrets + some adjacent cottages which may be of this date
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I have been working my way through all the info but not been able to find all the refs, you gave but the ones I did find didn't match up.
After my friend sent me the copy of the marriage cert. he sent me a page from the Parish Reg. of Malew, an entry for John Hudson son of Thomas Hudson and Charlotte Cannel his wife pry? Dec 4, and underneath that Rec. Aug 16 1840. The last partial entry reads; Edw son of Rick Bridson See May 1848 , then a line ruled across the page and below that the date 1839. Just a couple of things don't fit eg. the Dec.4 and Thomas named as the father! What does pry mean? I see it in two other entries. I've just asked my friend to get me a copy of your CD and send it to me, that should keep me out of your hair!!
One thing I did notice and that was the very large number of HUDSON burials, are there any Hudson families still in the IoM?
suzard and Frances, thank you very much for all the help you have given me, it is much appreciated.
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prv rather than pry? would be a private baptism (ie at the home of an infant not expected to live) - would be followed later (can be a couple of years later in some cases) by a 'reception into the congregation'- some vicars entered private bapts into sequence along with regular bapts - others entered the reception into congregation often but not always noting date and place of earlier private bapt
Hudson is a a fairly common name (the earlier Manx Hudgeon seems to have changed into this) tho how many are in your line is doubful
Thomas Hudson m Charlotte Cannell Santan 1838 - in 1841 + 51 ag lab at cross 4 ways (see this under gazateer on my site) some way out of Castletown - John is not with family in 1861 - in 1851 no occupation given other than ag lab for family
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Back again! suzard I took another hard look this time at the marriage cert. for John Hudson and Margaret Stevens of Alnwick Northumberland ( this bit is in our family bible) but she was living at Ballaquane at the time of the marriage, Indeed John the father was a Tanner not Farrier. My copy was a bit faint at that part and something had settled over an r making it look like an I. So that fits in with suzards info perfectly and Frances's Jane Brew of Santan ( so that's what St.Anne is!!) Now I've got another problem. The family on the 1851 census is nowhere to be found on the 1861 so the John I saw on the 1861 was from another family! I took a long look at the England 1861 but no sign of him there or the rest of the family. The baptism record from Malew that my friend found for me wasn't for "my" John. Where do I look now? The missing family in 1861 is odd don't you think?
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what family?
John Hudson is in Castletown in 61 with his fam
if you mean Stevens then living near Scottish border and obviously prepapred to move for work have you tried Scotland or even Ireland
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Oh dear me, what a pest I am to be sure, I apologise and blame it on my inexperience. I had managed to follow all the info posted for Hudson's and felt pretty safe with the John Hudson, Tanner,92 Malew Street Castleton in the 1851 census along with the info on the headstone in MI Malew. (Glebe yd. plot A5+6) It is this family that I cannot find in the 1861 census and apparently neither did suzard, who posted entries from the '71 and '91 census with comments. Could I ask again for the ref. for John Hudson,joiner, born/bapt.June 28 1838 in the 1861 census please?
Re the Stevens side. My 2nd cousin in Japan and I are working on that.
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same address as 51 - Malew St dist 2 folio 31 page 100 on film 4414 - head of household John aged 63
there is an accurate (rather than the joke indices that ancestry charge for) on www.imuseum.im as well as www.iomfhs.im/lawsons/LawsonBMD/Main_Site_index.html
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Thank you Frances, found it with "Lawson", somehow I just can't manage the museum site!! Ancestry has the IOM records as you know and yes I've got a sub and as a rank amateur it's somewhere to start, but I see how and why we go "barking up the wrong trees". Now to get your CD. Emma and I will have to explore for something like "Lawson" for Northumberland and the Stevens. Thanks again Frances :)
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you do realise that Malew st was not numbered until 1880s - the 92 is merely the number the census enumerator gave to the houses - if you read on my pages under towns/castletown wm Hen coopers description ch 10 will place the house into context