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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Tyrone => Topic started by: Vita Brevis on Tuesday 31 December 13 18:08 GMT (UK)
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I have a baptism record that gives the following:
Address: Dornagh Parish/District: COALISLAND
Would anyone know where this address would be? Can't find anywhere that is remotely similar in Tyrone.
Any help appreciated. VB
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Hi,
There is a townland of DERNAGH in the parish of Clonoe in the district of Dungannon. Google maps show DERNAGH Cottages just outside Coalisland,
Regards
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Thanks for your promp reply kings ... looked at everything but! and its exactly where I'd hoped it would be. Any chance you can help with another ::) ... Ballynakelly Parish/District Dungannon
cheers VB
Oh and Happy New Year. Thanks for your help over 2013 :)
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Hi,
I think it may be the townland of BALLYNAKILLY which is just to the south of Coalisland. Once again you can see Ballynakilly Cottages on Google maps. Also a Happy and Prosperous New Year to you and yours.
Regards
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once again.. thank you and one final question if I may .. which RC church do you think each of these families would have attended in 1864? Would they have had one in each of their own villages do you think being less than three miles apart? I ask as I see from my research that there are a number of girls who may be from the same family, married to men (brothers) from the sme family (all farmers) but their children are baptised in different churches (I think) but that would make sense to me as they would likely marry in the brides church but then move to where the men farmed and had their family houses. Hope that makes sense ???
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Hi,
I'm afraid that I do not know the area but I think that R.C. Churches covered a fairly large area so I think that one in Coalisland would have covered these. However I stand to be corrected.
Regards
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thanks for all your help, much appreciated .. perhaps someone may know. VB
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This link might help ,also google for parish map of town lands would give some help
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/churchlist.html
http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/fuses/rcparishmaps/index.cfm?fuseaction=showidrecords&CityCounty=Tyrone&parish=Clonoe&churchid=200
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This might be the church (page includes link to church website with other information)-
http://www.discovereverafter.com/graveyards/135/st-mary-and-st-josephs-roman-catholic-church-coalisland-co-tyrone
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Thank you all for your responses .... the more records I see the worse it gets! so far I have seen: DORNAGH, which kings thinks is DERNAGH, BALLYNAKELLY, ... kings thinks may be BALLYNAKILLY which is just to the south of Coalisland and now I've found three others ANNAHER? AHAGALLA? and wait for it .... L Cove !! Each of these I have found on Roots Ireland Baptism Records under "Address" ... for now its unclear whether they are simply mis-transcripts or illiteracy. (Dernagh, I get as its in Clonoe) If the above places are indeed addresses, where on earth are they in relation to each other and which churches would the families have attended? The time span that I am researching is quite specific -- 1850 -1870
I really appreciate your interest and help ???
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Hi,
Have a look at http://www.thecore.com/seanruad/ and select "starts with" or "Ends With" as your method of search. I think it gives lots of possibilities for two of your townlands.
Regards
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This site will allow you to see parish maps in order to locate a townland in Co. Tyrone-
http://www.genuki.eu/TYR
Do not worry about slight variations in spellings of place names- see here to find details (civil parish and PLU (Poor Law Union) which will be the same as registration district will be the most useful to you) of townlands in Ireland - be sure to change default setting to 'anywhere in field.'
http://www.thecore.com/seanruad/
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:( I think i'm too old for this ... can't seem to get anything on those links other than "Sorry, no matches found for your query...Please try again" what am I doing wrong?
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Links all working for me in Chrome- are you using a tablet or something by any chance?
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oh aghadowey, I don't think gold,frankincense, myrrh or even chrome helps me and as for tablets, I'm not using anything other than those which the doctor has prescribed for my age ::) I can open the links but I have no idea how to find the information I am looking for! whenever I enter the names of the so called "addresses" I simply get the response "Sorry, no matches found for your query...Please try again" kings advice hasn't got me anywhere either.... so I must be doing something wrong, but all I need are the names of the churches that the families would have attended, how do I find if these links give me this information?
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You asked "If the above places are indeed addresses, where on earth are they in relation to each other" and one of the sites I posted will allow you to look at maps to find those places.
http://www.genuki.eu/TYR
click 'search places in County Tyrone' and you get this page- http://www.genuki.eu/TYR/Gazetteer.php
which has a link for places and parish which brings you to this page- http://www.genuki.eu/TYR/Gazetteer.php
which means that you can now click on a place to see it on a map
Since you don't seem to have a clue about what these townlands might be (spelling variations do make it slightly more difficult) the other link will help you find what the townland is- http://www.thecore.com/seanruad/
change the default setting to 'anywhere in field' then search to find towland
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aghadowey, thanks very much, that explanation was very helpful and I think these are the results:
Ballynakelly= Ballynakilly = Killyman
Annaher= Anagher = Clonoe
Ahagalla= Aughagalla = Clone
Dornagh= Dernagh = Clonoe
Could do with some serious help though with L Cove. Haven't seen anything that fits this. Appreciate any ideas?
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Glad you are getting the hang of the searching now. I think you are looking at a transcribed record rather than the actual register? if so, it could be an error, but impossible to kniow from the transcription what it could be. can you give us the full details you have that go with the L..Cove reference as a name and date, etc. may help find where it is.
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oh yes it is a transcript, but the address is meaningless don't you think? this is what it says:
Name: Charles McGrath Date of Birth:
Date of Baptism: 09-Apr-1836
Address: L Cove Parish/District: DUNGANNON
Gender: Unknown County TYRONE
Father: Charles McGrath Mother: Alice Grimes
Occupation:
Sponsor 1 /Informant 1: Peter Sponsor 2 /Informant 2: Ann Grimes
L Cove ?? What do you think could it mean?
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Here's a searchable link to St. Mary and St. Joseph's Roman Catholic Church, Coalisland, Co. Tyrone
http://www.discovereverafter.com/search/
and Clonoe
http://www.irishgraveyards.ie/search.php?yardid=224&lastname=mcgrath&firstname=&address=&county=&month=&year=
Click on the drop down menu in graveyards
A search in geograph will also show the geographical situation of the photos of Coalisland
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/287001
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/569143
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1413577
I wonder could L Cove be Lower Coagh (roughly pronounced Co-h)
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/270861
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Hi familyroutes, great to hear from you .. and thank you for your repy ... I keep having these sureal moments .. I have just had a reply from the webiste that I found the offending "L Cove" tanscription and they say that it is in fact Lower Corr .. which puts me straight back into the parish of Clonoe which, at least, helps to concentrate my searches in the same parish of Clonoe but, where in the parish of Clonoe? sadly, I cannot make a connection to my Charles c1856/57 with his parents, Daniel McGrath & Sarah/Sara ????? There is a couple s Daniel McGrath & Sarah/Sara O'Neil in Aughamulan who had x4 other children between 1842 - 1857 in the parish records but, sadly no Charles ... it may be they were either married in another parish or that Charles' birth simply was never registered for whatever reason, the last being Daniel in 1857 but without a baptism record there is now no way of knowing who his family were ... very sad if this is the end of the road for me after all these years of searching. Whichever way I look at it, there weren't many Daniel McGrath's in Tryone as farmers when Charles was approx 8/9yrs around 1864 (Griffiths Valuation records) so there must be some reference to him in the Church records, somewhere ... surely?? Anything at all may help... many thanks VB
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Yes you're right about Lower Corr...That must be what I was thinking of because I can't find Lower Coagh.Some townlands around Coalisland have Upper and Lower attached to them...Lower Annagher for example.
http://www.irishgraveyards.ie/plot.php?plotno=23&yardid=224§ion=D
Here's a burial in Clonoe of an O'Neill from Lower Corr ...so you're in the right area!
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Here's Charles McGrath Snr (land transferred to Charles O'Neill) in the Valuation Revision Books in Corr Killyman...and Charles McGrath Junior (transferred to Michael McGrath)
PRONI Reference: VAL/12/B/38/16B (1864 - 1879)
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/killyman.html Here's a mention of McGraths in Corr Upper and Lower in Killyman
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/results.jsp?census_year=1901&surname=mcgrath&firstname=&county=Tyrone&townland=corr&ded=&age=&sex=&search=Search&relationToHead=&religion=&education=&occupation=&marriageStatus=&birthplace=&language=&deafdumb=&marriageYears=&childrenBorn=&childrenLiving=
Some McGraths here in Corr and Ballynakilly http://www.cotyroneireland.com/griffith/killyman.html
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oh yes it is a transcript, but the address is meaningless don't you think? this is what it says:
Name: Charles McGrath Date of Birth:
Date of Baptism: 09-Apr-1836
Address: L Cove Parish/District: DUNGANNON
Gender: Unknown County TYRONE
Father: Charles McGrath Mother: Alice Grimes
Occupation:
Sponsor 1 /Informant 1: Peter Sponsor 2 /Informant 2: Ann Grimes
L Cove ?? What do you think could it mean?
rootsireland has this record but also a Charles ,parents Charles and Alice Grimes born in Clonoe in 1839
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Thank you so much for all your help. The Charles I am looking for is born to Daniel and a Sara/Sarah who's birth record I cannot find. He was married in Belfast in 1881 and gave his parents details as above, father farmer and deceased, sadly I cannot find any connection to any of these McGrath's as I cannt find his baptism record and according to Clonoe PPriest there isn't one? but I am certain he is the son of Daniel & Sarah O'Neill from Aughamullan. Until I can make this connection I cannot find which of these other McGrath's he may be related to. There were othe r Chrles McGrath's baptised in Clone Parish Church so this is where I am taking the family connection from. any help is really appreciated as I am simply going round in circles!
thank you all with this, its got so, that I can't sleep at night trying to find the link that I think I must have missed somewhere along the way
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The Valuation Revision books from PRONI come with the notation on the page "© Crown Copyright 2007 | Privacy Statement | Terms & Conditions" so that you are only allowed to post a small portion for deciphering purposes or better still a link to the details.