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Research in Other Countries => Other Countries => Topic started by: vapcq45 on Wednesday 01 January 14 12:06 GMT (UK)
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Hi
Can anyone point me in the direction of information on Francis Edward Hunter. I have nothing other than he was father to Pearl M Hunter who married Frank Glover in Bareilly, Bengal, India on 23 July 1924. Frank was stationed in India and both were about 22 when they married. Pearl had baby Mavis Adeline Glover and came back to UK to live in Sheffield. The Hunter family are purported to have been 'wealthy', so I wonder if he was a merchant - I can't find any military records for him. Maybe East India co connection? But not found anything.
Any info would be very gratefully received.
Many thanks
Val
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Family search put Pearl at age 19 at time of her marriage:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGJW-W1F
Found this....
Embarked Bombay: SS "Domala: arrived London 15 Aug 1925
Phyllis Pearl GLOVER, 19, married
Infant, Mavis Sheilah GLOVER 3/4 (9mths??)
Last resident of: India
Future intended permanent reseidence: England
Going to: 271 Dunlop Street, Sheffield
Cheers
AMBLY
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Wonderful information, thank you Ambly! Any idea how I can find Francis Edward Hunter?
Thanks so much
Val
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The following needs more research but is possible.
Francis Edward Hunter birth 1875 Fylde Lancs.June Qtr.
Appears to be son of William Hunter and Margaret.
1881,William Hunter,b 1845 Warton Lancs,Master Mariner,wife Margaret 36 b Salwick Lancs.
4 other children.son Francis E Hunter age 6,b Freckleton Lancs.
1901 Francis E Hunter bricklayer Lab b Freckleton, Lancs,
married to Elizabeth 23,dau Elsie 10 mths,
Poss birth of Pearl Hunter 1905,,,,,,Margaret Elizabeth P Hunter, 1905,reg March Bristol Glos.
Brionne.
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Will watch this thread with interest. My husband was born in Bareilly. Depending on what you find , he could help with back ground information on the town. Sandra
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Wow, this is great Brionne, thank you! I will investigate and post what I find.
Val
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So far it looks as though Francis Edward Hunter was a bricklayers labourer in 1901 and 1911. I'm not sure this is him as why would he go to India - will keep checking....
Val
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There was a red brick and tile factory in Bareilly. The hiuses were commonly built of red brick. Sandra
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It may be be that Francis Edward Hunter never went out to India,but his daughter did.
Many young English girls did go out as servants,domestics at that time,or looking for husbands.
The interesting fact is that Francis Hunters father was a master mariner so would have travelled extensively,in this case his wife and children were left behind in Lancs.
Still needs clarifying that Francis b1875 is the correct one.
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I know that Pearl did live in India and met Frank there. I must say I've assumed her father Francis was also in India as he is listed in FS record as father at the marriage which took place in Bareilly. The story - how true I don't know - is that she became pregnant and married Frank and her family who were supposedly wealthy disowned her - either before or after she came to Sheffield.
Tricky one! Thanks very much for your interest and help, it's very much appreciated.
best wishes
Val
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Just found an interesting posh wedding in Sussex.
All Saints Church,Plumpton,Sussex,published 25 Oct 1912,The Sussex Agricultural Express.
Miss Alice May Wells of Plumpton,,to Mr George Codling Riche from Clapham Park London.
The brides two nieces Misses Ruby Hunter and Pearl Hunter were bridesmaids.
Found in FindMyPast,
Theres an imposing list of presents with who gave them, but no other Hunter mentioned.Long shot but may be the correct Pearl Hunter.
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Ooo that sounds interesting! Thank you....I'll have a look. Very kind of you!
Val
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Hi Val
The 1925 return to the UK certainly looks like your Pearl and her daughter - despite the name differences (the daughter's name particularly intriguing, in light of what appear to be subsequent GLOVER births with mms HUNTER registered in Sheffield [not naming here])...
Do you have the registration of Pearl's death? Curious as to the name she was registered as and the age?
I couldn't see Frank GLOVER back to the UK - was he in India as a soldier (you mentioned he was stationed there)?
Cheers
AMBLY
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I've not checked her death date yet. Pearls daughter was Mavis Adeline Glover. She did have other children inc Shelagh and Ronald. I did see the passenger record for return to UK where there was a Phyllis Glover with baby Mavis back to UK from India in 1925. I've made the assumption it was Pearl. Like you, I can't find Frank. I've been told they met whilst he was posted to India. Again assumption Army but not sure.
Val
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Is this the death of the Phyllis Glover who returned from India in 1925.
Death, Phyllis Glover age 22,Prescot Lancs,1926,June qtr, vol 8b page 819.
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Hi Brionne
I don't think so as she was known to the family as Pearl:
"Pearl married I think as Frank Glover who was stationed out in India and she met him and it would make sense that Mavis was born out of wedlock there in India. Nanny Glover as we called her was disowned by her wealthy parents when she got pregnant and decided to stay with her Frank and they got married and lived in Sheffield."
I have 2 Sheffield deaths yet to be investigated:
Name: Pearl M Glover
Birth Date: abt 1918
Date of Registration: Mar 1962
Age at Death: 44
Registration District: Pontefract
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 2c
Page: 739
Name: Margaret P Glover
Birth Date: abt 1907
Date of Registration: Dec 1968
Age at Death: 61
Registration District: Sheffield
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 2d
Page: 92
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Family search put Pearl at age 19 at time of her marriage:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGJW-W1F
Found this....
Embarked Bombay: SS "Domala: arrived London 15 Aug 1925
Phyllis Pearl GLOVER, 19, married
Infant, Mavis Sheilah GLOVER 3/4 (9mths??)
Last resident of: India
Future intended permanent reseidence: England
Going to: 271 Dunlop Street, Sheffield
Cheers
AMBLY
Hi Val, there seems to be conflicting information, I think you may have to check the marriage out, at your local Family Search Centre, as there may be additional information about her Father, and may be the Regiment for Frank Glover.
Also have you checked the Electoral Register to see who was living at the address in Sheffield.
I would have thought that, Mavis, would have been on the Overseas Births on FindMyPast, I have check and she is not there
Margp
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May have found Pearl in 1911. Looks like bridesmaid child I found,but just one and not two.
Pearl Ruby Hunter age 4 b Maidstone Kent.
Father, James Robert Hunter b Hilsea Hants.
Mother, Lucy Margaret Hunter b Secunderal India, British, difficult to read.
18 Beatrice Rd Margate Kent.
The transcription was wrong,age 47 on image age 4,why she could not be found,have emailed FindMyPast with correction.
Also written beside Pearl Rubys name on image,S,,,,,,,by parentage,,,,
Can some one check this please.
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Hi
It says British Subject by Parentage and I think it pertains to Lucy
I have found this family going to Australia
7 Sept 1912
Pearl Ruby R Hunter
Ship Ballarat
Fathers Occ Warrant Officer
Margp
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Hi
There is an online Tree, that has Pearl Ruby Hunter, marrying a Albert Hine in Australia
Margp
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Well looks like another dead end. Brionne
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Hi
Have you got the Birth Certificates for Ronald and Sheilah it should give details of there Father
Margp
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Hi
This is the nearest I can see for her, if she was disowned by her family, she may have lied about her age and her Father
1901 living in Chiselhurst Kent
Robert S Hunter b 1854 Ireland occ Merchant
Jane Hunter b 1856 Gibraltar, second wife
Grace Hunter b 1886 Moray Scotland
Eileen Hunter b 1891 Liverpool
PHYLLIS HUNTER b 1894 Tangies Mirrocco
Norah Hunter b 1897 Chiselhurst Kent
Madeline Hunter b 1900 Chiselhurst Kent
and 5 Servants
Margp
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Yes Margp,interesting.
Bearing in mind that Family Search have a record of a marriage for Pearl M Hunter 1924 to Glover.in Bareilly,have now found a shipping record for a P.M.Glover from London to Bombay 7th Dec 1932.Married, occup government,ship P/O Naldera,no disembarkation details for any passengers.
Travelling second class with a Mrs Glover,no ages given.
Interestingly sex given for P M Glover female on transcription and male on image.Could be an admin mixup here.
The search continues.Brionne.
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Hi
It looks like Robert Samuel Hunter, left £81,820,17s 6d in 1932
Marg
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Yes Margp,interesting.
Bearing in mind that Family Search have a record of a marriage for Pearl M Hunter 1924 to Glover.in Bareilly,have now found a shipping record for a P.M.Glover from London to Bombay 7th Dec 1932.Married, occup government,ship P/O Naldera,no disembarkation details for any passengers.
Travelling second class with a Mrs Glover,no ages given.
Interestingly sex given for P M Glover female on transcription and male on image.Could be an admin mixup here.
The search continues.Brionne.
Hi Brionne, I look at that one and did wonder, and discounted it because of the male child, if it is her, that would account for the son b 1933
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There's a Pearl Glover on electoral registers in Featherstone, other half is Ernest. Think she's the Pearl M whose death is registered in Pontefract in 1962, b c1918
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There are a number of records for a Phyllis Glover b c1906/7 heading out to India. On one she is with a Patrick Glover, entemologist also b c 1906/7, he can be traced travelling out separately as well.
A Phyllis of the correct age also comes back in 1936, with Michael, aged 4 and in 1948 with Peter, aged 9
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You are doing well. Sandra
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Difficult to get any further with the search for the origins of Francis Edward Hunter until we have some hard facts from a more recent,birth or marriage,death certificate,but tricky now as many folks involved in this family are alive.
Brionne.
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Just want to say a HUGE thank you for trying to help solve this mystery. I'm taking your advice and sending off first for Sheila's birth certificate, other daughter of Pearl. Turns out that Ronald was her daughter Mavis's illegitimate son from a wartime liaison, who Pearl brought up as her own.
This whole story is tricky because my ex husband now passed away was adopted and was Mavis Adeline's son - her 2nd illegitimate baby! So I'm investigating HIS family so I have it for my daughters...but with relatives still alive on that side I don't want to shock them with this news. It looks as though Mavis may have married the father, he looks as though he was married at the time Mavis had the baby, but then divorced, then they had another son after the marriage who is living. Quite frustrating really when there is the whole story out there but I can't contact anyone to find out!
val
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Hi Guys,
Sorry if you have seen my details pop up in other posts on this Site.I am Kevin Glover , the grandson of Frank & Pearl .My late father was Gordon Glover from Sheffield. If you are looking for info from this side of the family , please give me a shout.
Thanks
Kevin Gordon Glover
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Hi Kevin
I would love to share some information with you. I've been in touch with Sue Glover a few times and she has sent a few photos through. I'd like to learn more about Mavis, and your Grandparents. I've got lots of questions plus some possibly surprising information. Can you email me? Val-payne1@live.com
Many thanks
Val