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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Aberdeenshire => Topic started by: ichiefeet on Wednesday 01 January 14 12:19 GMT (UK)
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My Grandmother was Jane Ironside. Jane was born at 05.30hrs 13th August 1887. Her Father - William Murdoch [Farm servant]and Margaret Ironside, her Mother[Domestic Servant]Never Married. Jane's Birth was registered at New Deer on September 1st 1887.
I know very little about my G Gran Margaret Ironside. I've been to New deer Cemetery and had a look but couldn't find anything.
Further details can be found here: http://www2.tribalpages.com/family-tree/mailman814/447/110/Jane-Ironside-Family (http://www2.tribalpages.com/family-tree/mailman814/447/110/Jane-Ironside-Family)
I know someone in Strichen has made enquiries about my Gran [ Jane ] but as yet I haven't been able to make contact.
I have a few other questions but that's for later. ;D
Many Thanks
Andrew Wright
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Have you found your grandmother on the 1901 census? She appears as Jeannie Murdoch Ironside and is living with her maternal grandparents William and Margaret Ironside.
her grandfather William is a crofter and was born in Fyvie in 1829.
If we can trace William back in the census perhaps you could find approx birth for Jeannie's mum Margaret.
Hope this helps
Norma
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Thank you Norma. I didn't have much hope of a reply today, let alone so quickly. I'll chase that up and see what I can glean from the census of 1901.
Andrew
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Forgot to welcome you to Rootschat
There was a tree in Ancestry which showed William Ironside married a Margaret Webster. On Familysearch it shows a William Ironside and Margaret Webster had approx 8 children one being a Margaret born New Deer in 1862.
This Margaret is with her mum Margaret in the 1871 census at the same address as Jeannie was on the 1901 census.
Hope you can follow this. I would be inclined to think this is the family you are searching for.
Norma
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I found the entry. This is interesting. My Gran and it appears 2 other Grandaughters aged 11 and 4. were all living with their g/parents William and Margaret. They seem to have had 3 kids of their own inc 2 boys who were dumb/imbecilic. That fits right in with our heritage.... ;D
I'm intrigued by the middle names, since they tended to use the fathers surname as their middle name's!!! 3 different names there.
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I found the entry. This is interesting. My Gran and it appears 2 other Grandaughters aged 11 and 4. were all living with their g/parents William and Margaret. They seem to have had 3 kids of their own inc 2 boys who were dumb/imbecilic. That fits right in with our heritage.... ;D
I'm intrigued by the middle names, since they tended to use the fathers surname as their middle name's!!! 3 different names there.
Blimey. This is going to take a lot of work. Thank you for the help your giving me. I hate brick walls. However there is always someone with more savvy than me that's kind enough to help.
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It's not often I am able to help as someone more experienced normally gets there before me but guess they are all hung over lol. I love trying to solve puzzles. I would try and back up what you find with Certs etc. we really need to find Margarets death or marriage to confirm parents.
Norma
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I think I might have found Margaret (born 1862) in the 1891 census working at the lunatic asylum in Banff as a domestic servant. Cannot seem to find her on the 1901. So Inwould try and look for her marriage between those dates.
Norma
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wow Norma. Way to go. The lunatic asylum sounds right. ;D
I have bought more credit for Scotland's People and will follow your pointers.
This could be interesting.
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Just a thought. Have you a copy of Jane Ironsides marriage. Who does she list as her parents? Who were the witnesses?
Norma
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Have you viewed the 1911 census on scotlandspeople? I have found a MI (monumental inscription) in the Kirkyard of Millbrex & Woodhead for a couple who may be your great grandparents.
"In loving memory of our dear mother Margaret Ironside died Bruckleseat, Millbrex January 1923 aged 82, widow of William Ironside late of New Deer" At the bottom of the stone it says inserted by Tibbie.
Hopefully you'll maybe recognise the placename. I'm assuming Margaret died the home of one of her family. It should be no problem to find the death certificate on scotlandspeople. It'll confirm if it is your ancestor & the informant is likely to be a close family member.
Hope this helps,
flst.
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Hello here is the Grandmother with her children in 1881.
Part Lands Auchreddie,
New Deer, Aberdeen.
Margaret Webster, Head, Millers Wife, M. age 40 years, F. Born New Deer, Aberdeen,
William Ironside, Son, Scholar, Age 13 years, M. Born New Deer, Aberdeen,
Jane Ironside, Daur, Scholar, Age 11 years, F. born New Deer, Aberdeen,
Alexander Ironside, Son, Age 9 years, M. Born, New Deer, Aberdeen, Handicap, Imbecile Dumb,
Thomas Ironside, Son, Age 9 years, M. Born, New Deer, Aberdeen, Handicap, Imbecile Dumb,
George Ironside, Son, Scholar age 8 years, M. born New Deer, Aberdeen,
Jessie Ann Ironside, Daur, Scholar, age 6 years, F. born New Deer, Aberdeen,
Francis Ironside, Son, age 3 years, M. born New Deer, Aberdeen,
Gordon Jemima Ironside, Daur, age 1 year, F. born New Deer, Aberdeen,
James Cumming, Boarder, Tailor, U. age 39 years, M. born Tarves, Aberdeen.
The father William Ironside, occupation Miller, age 45 years, M. born Fyvie, is living and working in a Mill, in Udny, Aberdeen.
It looks like William Ironside, and Margaret Webster, had at least 11 children.
Regards,
Jonn.
ps, the two boys Alexander, and Thomas Ironside, were twins.
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Thank you all. That's a lot of info. It'll take a while to sort thro. My Gran [ Jane/Jeannie ] never talked about her family and we never knew anything about them. Twins are quite common in my lineage too. My Uncle was one as was I.
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Do not know if this is of any relevance to you however on the 1841 census there is a George Ironside living at New Deer with a John Chalmers. This is what I have written about John.
" John Chalmers was born 18th September 1816. I believe he became a shoemaker and on the 1841 census was living at Land of Buss, New Deer alongside his apprentice George Ironside (15). By 1851 he had moved to Auchredie where as well as a being a shoemaker employing one journeyman he farmed four acres of land. Also resident at Auchreddie where his wife Mary (33) originally from Stonehaven, and children Ann (8), George (6), John (4) and Margaret (3). All of the children where born in New Deer".
With the name Ironside, New Deer and Auchredie mentioned I thought there might be a connection.
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Thanks Andrew, Thats to much of a coincidence to overlook. Thank you for the info. I do appreciate the help from you all.
Andy