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Independent Islands => Isle of Man => Isle of Man Lookup Requests => Topic started by: AussieAnnie on Friday 03 January 14 12:41 GMT (UK)
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I'm been trying to locate an ancestor of mine who was supposedly born in the Isle of Man and migrated to Australia sometime between 1860 and 1866.
I’ve not been able to locate her on the incoming passenger lists for Australia so wondered if I could find her leaving the IOM.
What ports would she have travelled via to get to Australia and do passenger lists exist from these ports?
My ancestor's details:
Mary Elizabeth McVey (or McVey Smith)
Born about 1845, IOM
Father = John McVee (farmer)
Mother = Mary Elizabeth Macgee
Married in Australia in 1866
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There were ships departing from the port of Ramsey in the Isle of Man to Australia in the 1860's, although Liverpool could be another possibility.
Steve
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Many thanks Steve. Do you know if passenger lists exist for these ports?
Anne
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Hi Anne,
What state in Australia did she marry?
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She married in Victoria, 8 Feb 1866.
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Many thanks Steve. Do you know if passenger lists exist for these ports?
Hi Anne,
I have been looking for you, but so far have not found anything.
Steve
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the ships from IoM ports to Australia were one-offs - eg the Vixen (http://www.manxnotebook.com/famhist/v04n3.htm#44-45 ) the nearest main port to the Island was Liverpool tho most Australia bound ships generally departed from the Thames ports (eg Gravesend) I would be interested in seeing any refs to Manx originating boats direct to Australia.
Anyway there are NO passenger lists to/from the Island, most of the sailings would be to the ports in NW England, some Irish ports and those in North Wales and the Clyde - remember that by 1870's the IoM was becoming a major holiday resort for the NW of England with the IoMSPCo running many boats.
Can you find your Mary in the 1851 census - McVey is not a Manx name and at that period was I think 100% Irish
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Best fit I can find on 1851 census is:
Reference: Class: HO107; Piece: 2524; Folio: 399; Page: 11
Gritch Voor(?), Lonan, Isle of Man
McVey, John Head M 40 Lab at Laxey Mines b Ireland
McVey, Elenor Wife F 40 b Ireland
McVey, John Son M 14 Lab at Laxey Mines b Ireland
McVey, Mary Daughter F 8 b Ireland
Quayle, William Wife's Son M 23 Lab at Laxey Mines b Lezayre, IoM
Cleator, John Wife's Son-in-Law M 22 Lab at Laxey Mines b Braddan, IoM
Cleator, Anne Wife's Daughter F 25 b Lezayre, IoM
So, I would guess that this is Elenor's 3rd marriage, and John's 2nd? ;D
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I wondered if Mary’s parents had remarried also. On a couple of her children’s birth certificates in Australia her name is recorded as “Mary Elizabeth Smith” and one record has her name as “Mary Elizabeth Smith McVey” .
I’ve not been able to find a birth/baptism certificate for her in the IoM or Ireland. I did find a marriage of John McVey and Mary Magee in Co. Down, Ireland but the date is 1860.
Is there any record of Mary Smith (b. 1845) in the 1851 or 1861 IoM census? Or a marriage of McVey and Smith?
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try looking up on www.imuseum.im but suspect you may be looking for a Roman Catholic marriage and I'm not sure those have been entered
There are no Manx birth certs until start of civil reg in 1877
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Thanks for the tips everyone. No luck so far but I'll keep looking.
Cheers, Anne
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Wondered if you had any luck re shipping for John and Mary McVeigh. Their daughter Mary Elizabeth McVeigh born about 1843/5 married William Schwennesen in 1866 at RC Church Carisbrook Victoria.
my husband is related to them. Any news greatly appreciated. From Diane Western Australia.
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Hi Diane,
Unfortunately I hit a road block with Mary McVeigh/McVey. I've searched all the passenger lists arriving in Melbourne around the time she supposedly arrived. I don't even know if she came with her parents (John and Mary) or by herself.
Her last name is sometimes recorded as Smith so I was planning to search through all the original passenger microfiche for all the Mary Smiths - a big job which I have been putting off.
However, I did find a record of Mary arriving in Western Australia from Victoria after her husband, William Otto Schwennesen had died in 1893. She arrived in Albany with her youngest son Theo (Theodore) on the 'Adelaide' from Melbourne on 8 April 1897. Theo 'Nugget' died in 1935 and is buried in the Northcliffe Pioneer Cemetery.
Cheers, Anne
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There is an 1847 Roman Catholic marriage of a John Mcveagh to a Mary Mcnelly (McNeily in bapt) 24 May 1847 - witnesses william hinds;eleanor hinds (tho Wm Hinds is a witness in another marriage - notably a John Mcnelly to an Anne Fagan on 20 Oct 1848 their son James was baptised 1848-04-26 but can't find fam in 1851 census - is this too late for your John + Mary ?
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Hi Frances,
Mary Elizabeth McVey's parents were supposedly John Macvee and Mary Elizabeth Macgee (according to her marriage certificate). I think 1845/46 is most likely when she was born although one record puts her birth year about 1836.
Mary's maiden name is sometimes recorded as McVey/Mackvea/McVeigh, Smith McVey and sometimes just Smith. I'm not sure why. She was a spinster when she married in Australia in 1866.
She supposedly arrived in Australia about 1863.
Cheers, Anne