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Horace Morgan and Jane (Janie) Awdry Burnett Heywood married in 1885. I have been sent their listing from 1901 so it is just the 1891 I am after. I am hoping to find a daughter Alice M with them who will have been packed off to school/grandparents/etc for the 1901 census. Horace was a sculptor/artist. I have also been sent their probate listings in 1941 and 1953 so am not after those either.
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RG12/1028 folio 94, page 15
"Ashton", The Avenue, Ealing
Horace Morgan - 30 - Artist (designs) - the enumerator has added "Sculpt"
Janie A B - 28
plus two servants
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Thanks BumbleB. Dang! I was wanting there to be an Alice who could be marrying in 1907.
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I did have a quick search to see if I could find a "stray" Alice M Morgan born 1885, but nobody leaps out at me. Sorry
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Grasping at straws here but there is an Alice in Islington June 1891 and Marylebone Sept 1891. This would have made her 16 in 1907. Is there an Alice 9 to 10 years old showing up in 1901 somewhere odd, like a school or as neice/granddaughter.
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First of all when was she born and did they definitely have a daughter Alice M or are you just trying to link them together? :)
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If I have the right family there is only one child by 1911 - Gladys who is 5 in 1901.
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OK Jaines probate in 1953 mentions Horace Sidney Dilnot. HSD is born 1899 and marries twice. First to Alice May Granfield/Greenfield in 1918 (varies between A and Freebmd) and again in 1945 to Frances L Peacock.
Alice Morgan marries John Thomas Granfield in 1907 and appears to be having children with him till 1918. John Thomas Granfield was a stoker on the HMS Vaughan which exploded and went down in July 1917 (843 dead /3 survivors). The only death showing up for Alice M Dilnot is 1940 for a 78 year old which would mean 19 yr old Dilnot was marrying a 56 year.Not likely. But an Alice M Dilnot is marrying in 1927. So perhaps divorce.
No matter what keys I hit I can not get Frances Morgan to Frances L Peacock.
Hence my desire to find an Alice Morgan that I can tie to Horace and Jaine
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I take it the 1911 census has all children born to a couple. Dang. This family (Heywood) had been sending their kids off to boarding schools since the 1840's hence my thinking only a 5 year old in 1901, would impy with an 1885 marriage, the usual pattern was happening
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Do you mean the marriage in Pontypridd 1907 Alice Morgan/John Thomas Granfield?
That Alice is born in Glamorgan 1886 :-\
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Yep thats the one. :D Horace Sidney Dilnot is such an unusual name combination. He was a bookbinder and yet he is associated with Jainie's will. Gladys Morgan is so common as to be a headache. My first thought was he was a grandchild but a birth of 1899 ruled that out. Have had another go to get from Gladys to HSD and am going dizzy :'(
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It is hard to follow isn't it :D
Occupation of Horace Morgan was a bookbinder when living with wife and daughter Gladys age 15.
So because the probate mentions Horace Sidney Dilnot you think he was a relative? I don't think he needs to be a relative. Could have been a colleague if he had same occupation.
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The marriage in 1918 between Horace and Alice May Granfield (looks more like Greenfield) names her father as Thomas Philips an engine shunter.
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The only death showing up for Alice M Dilnot is 1940 for a 78 year old which would mean 19 yr old Dilnot was marrying a 56 year.Not likely. But an Alice M Dilnot is marrying in 1927. So perhaps divorce.
The 1940 death could be the Alice M married to Harry Dilnot age 49 in 1911 living Herne Bay Kent.
She was Alice Mary Huntingdon married 1890.
Alice M Dilnot born 1904 is likely the lady who married in 1927 - same district in Kent (Eastry)
Groom Hector Langford.
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Thanks Milliepede. Just crawled out of bed. Yes that has been niggleing at me from the beginning. I did a post over at Sussex asking if modern wills were archived in England (they are in NZ and can be seen relatively quickly, as well as divorce proceedings, though not so quickly- listed after 30 years ,viewable after 60) So I popped over to England general to ask about 1891 census and you asked the question as to why I was so determined to find an Alice Morgan. With only a single child that I knew about, Gladys could well have passed on by 1953, or just been not good at doing things like executing a will and H.S. Dilnot just been a friend etc.
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Hi, I just wondered in what context he was mentioned in the will ? If he is not a beneficiary, just an executor then it is most likely he is probably a family friend, or acquaintance who was deemed reliable enough to be able to administer the estate properly. You may find he has no connection to Janie at all.
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True abelmabel but when you have nothing between 1901 and 1953 it was worth a bash to find a family connection. There are lots of Gladys Morgans :P.
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I see that H S Dilnot 1899-1987 has multiple trees at that M site associated with the A site but I am having a bad internet connection day and can not persuade my computer to bring it up. The joys of living in the backblocks of NZ :(
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Yes there are several trees with him on. One mentioned a daughter Gladys who went to Canada age 3 - don't know how accurate that is :-\ She couldn't have travelled on her own.