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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Longford => Topic started by: Neli on Sunday 05 January 14 23:23 GMT (UK)
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Hi, I am struggling with yet another vague part of my family tree :-(
My Grandfather was Thomas Nolan (1911-1990), people are a little unsure of where he was born but, it was definitely in Longford, maybe Ballinalee. It is his parents I am struggling with.
Nobody is quite sure where his Father also Thomas Nolan (1875-1943) came from but, it wasn't originally Longford, some guess the North others Carlow (aunts and uncles can't agree). He married a Rose Ann Reilly (1870-1955) who had another child Rose Ann Allen (1909-1970).
No-one knows where Rose Ann came from or where she got her surname only that she was not Thomas' daughter although although my grandfather and her always regarded each other as brother and sister.
I have found a few leads but, the more I find the more confused I get :-(
If you think you might have a clue I would love to hear it, thanks in advance Helen x
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Should have made it more clear, I don't know where either Rose Ann came from :-)
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Have you found them in 1911 census?
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Not to my satisfaction that is them Aghadowey, possibilities but nothing concrete. My Grandfather was born at Christmas 1911 so wouldn't be on it and I can't find the other 3 together anywhere :-(
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Well, I might have found them but they aren't together :-\ Thought child Rose Ann Allen would be way to get them (even tried surname Nolan in case she was listed under Thomas' name), then started searching for Thomas and wife....
A Thomas Nolan (supposedly 35 and born Belfast but census details may not be accurate) with a Rose Ann Nolan born Co.Antrim listed as vagrants-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cavan/Kilnaleck/Kilnaleck_Town/342092
Possibly the child - Rosie Allen born Co.Cavan and in a school (Sisters of Mercy) in Roscommon-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Roscommon/Roscommon_Urban/Pound_Street__Ardnanagh_/783665
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Marriage location might help find them in other records but can't see anything yet.
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Yes, that was one of my possibilities, just wasn't convinced enough to put in my tree.
Thomas was a soldier in The Irish Fuisiliers (sp), he had obviously left by then but would he not be down as a soldier rather than a vagrant?
Not that I object to a vagrant in the family ;-)
I had heard rumours that they were 'Tinkers' (rather unfortunate phrase) though so, maybe!
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It's the best match I could find so far but you didn't mention he was in the Irish Fusiliers- will have a fuirther look other places.
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Drat, i had a whole profile built up around the Carlow theory, looks like I will have to eat my words and tell the North theorists they were right :-\
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Thanks Aghadowey, you are so helpful :D
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Not yet- don't forget even if that is them the head of household might not have given correct information.
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Update:
Well slow drop by slow drop I am beginning to squeeze small things, which help a great deal from various older members of my family. today I found out the name of the regiment my GG was in during WW1. I looked it up and, Bingo, his medals record :-)
This has raised a number of questions;
The Regiment is different (Connaght rangers) to the one on the signing up form (Irish Fuisiliers) I discovered which has the signature so like my Dads which he and I were so convinced about. However that was in 1893 so Dad says he probably signed up in 1893 when he was 18, was demobbed at some point after that and then signed up again at the outbreak of WW1. The more recent record is all about events during WW1.
Would that have been possible?
Which brings me back to the census return of 1911 at Kilnaleck where he is described as a 'vagrant', why would a soldier be described thus?
I need somehow to follow the earlier information a little more to see if there is any more about what he did in the army during that time, or if it is in fact him at all. But, I have no idea how???
And Rose Ann, during all this time, must have been somewhere with 2 children all on her own, or was she?
These are the early years of my Grandads life which NOBODY knows anything about! It's as if he just materialised the day before he married my Grandma and his history begins there- so frustrating!
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Yay! I a pretty sure I have cracked it ;D
He wasn't from any of the places suggested of course which is why it took so long but, I got there in the end, thanks for all the help xx