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Title: Edward DOWNES
Post by: orkrad on Monday 06 January 14 22:26 GMT (UK)
 Edward Downes is an ancestor who went to NZ with his family in 1853.

I am trying to verify his  family details in the 1841 and 1851 censuses. I think he married in Ludlow in 1843/44 so he should appear in the 1841 census somewhere in that area .  He was reputedly born at Knoll Hill Shropshire in 1813 but no record of his birth exists .Two of his children that I have found on IGI were christened in Hope Bagot  in 1851 and 1853.

Could someone please check 1841 and 1851 censuses for me?

Thanks Orkrad
Title: Re: Edward DOWNES
Post by: groom on Monday 06 January 14 22:57 GMT (UK)
What was his wife's name? There is an Edward Downes in Bridgnorth Shropshire in 1851, wife Mary and 5 children. He was a blacksmith.


Title: Re: Edward DOWNES
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 06 January 14 23:16 GMT (UK)
These are the baptisms and wife was Jane

If he went to NZ in 1853 - it must have been after October 1853 in view of the baptismal date

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JQXF-ZSH

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JQXN-W9G
Title: Re: Edward DOWNES
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 06 January 14 23:20 GMT (UK)
1851  for Hope Baggot indexed as Downs - children all b Hope Baggot


Edward Downs   36 master boot & shoe maker b Burford
Jane  34 b Bitterley
William 6
Edward  4
John  2
Emma  2 Months
Elizabeth Jones   76 lodger b Caynham
HO107 Piece 1982 Folio 435 Page 1
Title: Re: Edward DOWNES
Post by: MargP on Monday 06 January 14 23:30 GMT (UK)
Hi

Could this be Edward this would tie in with his place of birth on 1851 census

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J73X-7ZR

Margp
Title: Re: Edward DOWNES
Post by: MargP on Monday 06 January 14 23:39 GMT (UK)
Hi

1841 Census, living alone at Hope Knowle, the birth year can be out by 5 years either way on the earlier census

Edward Downs b 1816 Burford occ Shoemaker

Margp
Title: Re: Edward DOWNES
Post by: orkrad on Tuesday 07 January 14 00:39 GMT (UK)
 Thanks Carole w and Marg p  for the speedy replies.

The familysearch data on Edward (sen )s christening tallies with what the family stories suggested. It is good to have  the birth date verified with a christening record..

Thanks also for the information on the 1851 census. I did have information on two of the children . now I have a lot more to go on.

I wonder who Elizabeth Jones was? Jane's parents were  William and Ann Gittings/Gittens  so she was probably not immediate family. The whole Downes clan emigrated as steerage passengers on the ship Stately so  Elizabeth was not likely to have been a  domestic helper.!

Regards Orkrad 

Title: Re: Edward DOWNES
Post by: CaroleW on Tuesday 07 January 14 23:17 GMT (UK)
Hi

Elizabeth Jones was just shown as a lodger.  Quite common in those days for people to take in lodgers 
Title: Re: Edward DOWNES
Post by: orkrad on Wednesday 08 January 14 00:12 GMT (UK)
 Thanks Carole.
I suppose they sometimes took in lodger to help pay the rent. My assumptions that it must have been a relative or someone to help out just shows how my 21st century thinking didn't account for  other possibilities. Shame on me !

Orkrad
Title: Re: Edward DOWNES
Post by: Anihana on Sunday 10 August 14 11:42 BST (UK)
Evening

I have the "DOWNS" one saved in my tree for the 1853 census. I'd need to get back into this side of the tree to give you more specifics but I have Edwards Father as Thomas Downes & mother Elizabeth (Emma) Turner. I believe Thomas was a Blacksmith in NASH - there is another Thomas Downes in Nash who is a blacksmith but he isn't our one I don't think. Edwards wife Jane Gittens - I have her parents listed as William & Ann, no maiden name for Ann.

May I ask how you fit into the family? I wasn't aware of anyone else other than a cousin researching & she has stopped for a few years now :-)

Cheers
Andy
Title: Re: Edward DOWNES
Post by: Anihana on Monday 25 February 19 10:03 GMT (UK)
William Gittens wife Ann’s maiden name was Jones so it stands to reason the Jones showing as a lodger was likey a relative.