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Edward Downes is an ancestor who went to NZ with his family in 1853.
I am trying to verify his family details in the 1841 and 1851 censuses. I think he married in Ludlow in 1843/44 so he should appear in the 1841 census somewhere in that area . He was reputedly born at Knoll Hill Shropshire in 1813 but no record of his birth exists .Two of his children that I have found on IGI were christened in Hope Bagot in 1851 and 1853.
Could someone please check 1841 and 1851 censuses for me?
Thanks Orkrad
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What was his wife's name? There is an Edward Downes in Bridgnorth Shropshire in 1851, wife Mary and 5 children. He was a blacksmith.
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These are the baptisms and wife was Jane
If he went to NZ in 1853 - it must have been after October 1853 in view of the baptismal date
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JQXF-ZSH
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JQXN-W9G
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1851 for Hope Baggot indexed as Downs - children all b Hope Baggot
Edward Downs 36 master boot & shoe maker b Burford
Jane 34 b Bitterley
William 6
Edward 4
John 2
Emma 2 Months
Elizabeth Jones 76 lodger b Caynham
HO107 Piece 1982 Folio 435 Page 1
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Hi
Could this be Edward this would tie in with his place of birth on 1851 census
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J73X-7ZR
Margp
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Hi
1841 Census, living alone at Hope Knowle, the birth year can be out by 5 years either way on the earlier census
Edward Downs b 1816 Burford occ Shoemaker
Margp
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Thanks Carole w and Marg p for the speedy replies.
The familysearch data on Edward (sen )s christening tallies with what the family stories suggested. It is good to have the birth date verified with a christening record..
Thanks also for the information on the 1851 census. I did have information on two of the children . now I have a lot more to go on.
I wonder who Elizabeth Jones was? Jane's parents were William and Ann Gittings/Gittens so she was probably not immediate family. The whole Downes clan emigrated as steerage passengers on the ship Stately so Elizabeth was not likely to have been a domestic helper.!
Regards Orkrad
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Hi
Elizabeth Jones was just shown as a lodger. Quite common in those days for people to take in lodgers
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Thanks Carole.
I suppose they sometimes took in lodger to help pay the rent. My assumptions that it must have been a relative or someone to help out just shows how my 21st century thinking didn't account for other possibilities. Shame on me !
Orkrad
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Evening
I have the "DOWNS" one saved in my tree for the 1853 census. I'd need to get back into this side of the tree to give you more specifics but I have Edwards Father as Thomas Downes & mother Elizabeth (Emma) Turner. I believe Thomas was a Blacksmith in NASH - there is another Thomas Downes in Nash who is a blacksmith but he isn't our one I don't think. Edwards wife Jane Gittens - I have her parents listed as William & Ann, no maiden name for Ann.
May I ask how you fit into the family? I wasn't aware of anyone else other than a cousin researching & she has stopped for a few years now :-)
Cheers
Andy
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William Gittens wife Ann’s maiden name was Jones so it stands to reason the Jones showing as a lodger was likey a relative.