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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: Westee on Wednesday 08 January 14 07:25 GMT (UK)
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Hi - we are looking for this family but finding it difficult to track them down in the 1841 census. From what we know the children were born Robert John William & a Mary born between 1817 and 1831. Can anyone help please?
We believe William may have been a plumber. Mary's maiden name was Duff.
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Hi Westee and welcome to Rootschat,
Can I ask, have you found William and Mary Young on the 1851 Census?
Looby :)
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Hi again,
Looks like this might be the family you're looking for. I found them on the Freecen website.
William has been recorded as the abbreviation Wm. So that's what you'd have to put in the search boxes to find him ::) Wm Young.-
This family are living at Park Holm, Govan
YOUNG Wm M 40 Plumber Outside Census County (1841)
YOUNG Mary F 40 Outside Census County (1841)
YOUNG John M 15 Engineer Apprentice Outside Census County (1841)
YOUNG Robt M 11 Outside Census County (1841)
GARDNER Margaret F 20 Female Servant Outside Census County (1841)
There is no son William or daughter Mary listed and the family are recorded as all being born outside Lanarkshire (but that could have been an error).
Hope this helps,
Looby :)
Amended- Having another look at this family and having looked at the births for the family of William and Mary Young on Familysearch website , I'm now not so sure this is the people you are looking for....
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Yes, yes yes. I am fairly sure that is the family. Thanks so much.
But no, I haven't found them on 1851 census. Will look for him under Wm.
Can you help with this as well?
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Just checking my notes. William was born 1825 and Mary 1827. :)
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I thought this might be 1851:
Mary Young 53 Annuitant
John Young 27 Brassfounder (master Employing 6 Men)
Wm Young 26 Plumber (master Employing 8 Men)
Ann Gragham 19 servant
Address: 430 Argyll St, Glasgow
Which of the children of William and Mary are following back?
Monica
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I think the first Mary b. 1827 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FM9F-WM4 may have died young as there is a potential second Mary b. 1831 (who likely died young too as she didn't show in the entry Looby has posted?) https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FMSV-FYY
Monica
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You might want to check a possible Will & Testament entry (an inventory from what is indexed I think) from Scotlands People www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk which shows:
William Young 21 Nov 1845 Plumber and Lead Merchant at Glasgow. Inventory @ Glasgow Sheriff Court Ref SC36/48/31 - 9 pages.
Monica
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Thanks so very much. Very interesting and now have to look at the Wills. We were following William and thought that he had moved down to London. So maybe not our family. But will check it all out tomorrow, Wills etc. The family was in the engineering trade so there has to be some connection. Must get to bed now as it is just after 11pm.
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Leave this all with you for tomorrow :)
NOTICE.
THE Business of Plumber and Brassfounder carried on
under the Firm of J. & W. YOUNG in Galbraith
Street, Stobcross, Glasgow, of which the Subscriber John
Young, Plumber and Brassfounder, Galbraith Street
there, was the sole Partner, having been sold as at the
1st day of March 1905, was DISSOLVED as at that date,
and Mr. Young has ceased to have any interest therein.
The Subscriber John Rowland Broadfoot will carry on
the Business under the same name for his own behalf,
and will complete and implement all contracts and orders
placed with Me^rs. J. & W. Young, and current at and
since 1st March 1905, and will discharge all liabilities
incurred by the Business since that date.
Mr. Young will collect all debts due to, and pay all
liabilities incurred by, the dissolved Firm up to 1st March
1905, at Galbraith Street, Stobcross.
www.edinburgh-gazette.co.uk/issues/11706/pages/262/page.pdf
Sons John and William carried on the business? Not what you are asking for Westee, just get curious ;)
Further Inventories for sons John and William on Scotlands People?:
John Young, 10 Oct 1905, Plumber and Brassfounder, 56 St Vincent Crescent, Glasgow. Died 28 Aug 1905at Tighnabruaich. Testate. Glasgow Sheriff Court. Inventories Ref SC36/48/197 - 5 pages.
William Young, 3 Dec 1901. Plumber, 41 St vincent Crescent Glasgow. Died 25 Oct 1901 at Rocklee Rothesay, testate. Will. Glasgow Sheriff Court. Ref. SC36/51/129 - 5 pages
Monica
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Just posting this for further info-
This is what makes me have doubts about the 1841 entry I posted-
John Young was born in 1823 - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X17G-1LN
William Young in 1825- https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X175-7WL
and Robert Young in 1820 - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X17P-786
This would have made Robert 21 in 1841 yet he is recorded as 11 below a 15 year old John??
John at 18 might have had his age dropped to 15 on the Census but Robert should have been older.
Unless, of course the first Robert died and another child called Robert who's birth record is not on Familysearch was born later :-\ Just like the 2 Marys Monica posted.
Have looked for a possible 16 year old William on the 1841 Census living and probably working away from the family home but haven't turned up a likely candidate.
Looby :)
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Further Inventories for sons John and William on Scotlands People?:
John Young, 10 Oct 1905, Plumber and Brassfounder, 56 St Vincent Crescent, Glasgow. Died 28 Aug 1905at Tighnabruaich. Testate. Glasgow Sheriff Court. Inventories Ref SC36/48/197 - 5 pages.
William Young, 3 Dec 1901. Plumber, 41 St vincent Crescent Glasgow. Died 25 Oct 1901 at Rocklee Rothesay, testate. Will. Glasgow Sheriff Court. Ref. SC36/51/129 - 5 pages
Monica
Looks like the 2 brothers must have done well in the plumbing business with John dying in Tighnabruaich and William at Rothesay :)
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I may have to track back.
The marriage of William Young, weaver, Anderston and Mary Duff residing here married 19 June 1817.
Children: Robert 1820; John 1823; William 1825; Mary 1827; Robert 1829; Mary 1831. Robert born 1820 was stated to be their 2nd child, but can't find any other earlier children.
So would it be possible for William Young weaver to become a plumber within this short period of time?
On Robert's birth registration 622/00 0080 0018 Barony 1820, he is stated to be a Plumber. So from 1827 to 1820 he has moved up in the world??
What do you think.
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William Snr, husband of Mary Duff, certainly seems to have started a successful business in his time which seems to have been carried on by his two sons John and William.
He was young at marriage where he showed as a weaver (maybe the rest of his immediate family were too, which is not unusual). You have him showing as a plumber by the time son Robert (no.2 child) was born 3 years after the marriage. That works...
Monica
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Ah, so Robert on the 1841 Census is the second child in the family to be named Robert.
So it looks like we are with the right family after all.
I agree with Monica, William snr. may have started life as a weaver but it's perfectly reasonable for him to have changed occupations.
You might never find a record of child no 1. The couple (like many people, especially in the city at that time) appear to have lost three/ four? children. Do you know what happened to young Robert?
Looby :)
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So very good of you to help with this family. It seems that this may not be my line now, as my William Young was definitely in London and married by 1847 in Southwark. Indeed, by not being there in the 1841 census alerted us to the fact that we had the right family. But alas, no.
However, when my William married in 1847 London, his occupation was noted as "Rulemaker". This was stated on the children's birth registrations etc. Born about the same time as the William above, we just cannot find him. His states his father was William Young, ane possibly a Rulemaker as well, and from Glasgow.
Don't know if you can help with this at all? :'(
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Hi Westee,
So you are back to square one with William Young :'(
And therefore parents names and siblings names could be entirely different - apart from you having the record that William gives his father's name as William.
I couldn't find on Freecen anyone in Scotland with the occupation Rulemaker on the 1841 Census (maybe there was an alternative job title!)
Did William have children (I assume he did if he's your direct ancestor :) )?
Can you tell us who he married and the names, including any middle names of his children?
Finding a William Young in Glasgow (or perhaps anywhere is not going to be an easy task), but don't give up yet!
Looby :)
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Yes, back to square one unfortunately.
Child for William Young, Rulemaker, London May 1845, died the same day.(Mother's name Mary).
2nd child (named William) for William Young, Rulemaker, London Jan. 1847
Marriage to Agnes Bulloch June 1847.
She was living in the Workhouse at the time of birth in 1847. You can see marriage took place 6 months after child William was born.
They left London and went to Brighton where two other children born:- Alexander b. 1849 Brighton, Agnes 1853 also in Brighton.
1851 census Brighton has William Young Rule maker and Mary his wife with chldren William born Mddx., Alex., and Agnes.
All the way thru their ages have not matched up at all hence the difficulty in finding William in Glasgow.
Also, she used the name Mary for the child that died and again in Brighton in 1841 census, but with marriage and other children used Agness.
William death cert. in New Zealand in 1908 have him and Agnes aged 17 yrs being married in Glasgow.
A few porkies here to cover up - but what I don't know.
Was she so young and he ran away with her.!!
Anyway, can we keep this information off the internet please? Most important for me to keep this info private.
I don't want to have this broadcast over Google - thanks.
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If you don't want info online you can send private messages, and you can amend your last message to remove what you want kept private.
I only asked for details of William's wife and children to see if childrens names gave any clues to his origins.
Giving all the details and info you know can assist fellow Rootchatters to help you.
It will be hard for people to assist you without full information especially with a common name like William Young :-\
But I respect your request for privacy and will not post online. If I find anything else that might interest you I will send a private message.
Good luck with your research,
Best wishes, Looby :)
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Yes, so William, Alexander, Agns and then James New Zealand born and various others.
How do I remove the last message so that it is a private one?
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Everything you print on the site is available for all to view.
You can press on the modify icon in the top right hand corner. This will open up the post and you will be able to edit/remove info. It would be helpful if you then add something along the lines of -
Post amended and details removed -
I don't think you can delete the entire entry :-\ And you can't amend other peoples posts. Personal Message (private) is when you message a Rootschatter directly through the site. I would advise you to read the Terms of Use of the site and other information for Beginners to Rootschat. If you are uncomfortable with the info on the entire thread I would suggest you contact one of the site moderators. Note the Report to Moderator icon bottom right of your post.
Good luck, :) Looby