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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Norfolk => England => Norfolk Lookup Requests => Topic started by: mikehardy on Wednesday 08 January 14 21:03 GMT (UK)
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I have: Isaac Hardy, death 7 June 1825, Saham-Toney - FS film 1596138
Isaac Hardy, Christening 22 May 1748, Ringland, Norfolk - FS film 1657289
Anne Everett (spelt Everitt), birth 14 May 1758, Happisbirgh, Norfolk, - FS film 894717
Do you think these are credible?
I cannot find a marriage and death for Anne.
Help please.
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Hi
Freereg is a good one to look at for Norfolk it has...
Anne Everitt baptised 14 May 1758 dau of Isaac & Anne
a brother William bapt 1753
St Mary Happisburg
parents marriage Isaac Everett bach to Anne Springall spins both of Haseborough .
Place name has been spelt as it sounds ... married in All Saints Marsham.
Isaac Hardy appears as well St Peters Ringland son of Isaac & Elizabeth bap 22 May 1748.
Having a hunt for marriage possibles
Tazzie
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Thanks Tazzie, I have looked on freereg and could not find anything!! i.e. -no results found. Must be driver error, will go and have another look.
Put the 'soundex' on then they show up!!
Mike.
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Hi Mike
Ann Hardy wife of Isaac late Everitt buried at Saham Toney 21 July 1801 aged 59
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0xj1/
see reply #35 on previous thread
Isaac was 85 when he died in Saham Toney, therefore born c1740
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0xj2/
Saham toney and many other Norfolk PR's can be viewed here
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0xj3/
yokel
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Thank you Yokel, How do we stand a chance!!!
Isaac's death. I have found him on FS search - Transcript, No image available! yet it is there
Freereg no listing - yet they claim to have Saham Toney parish records!
NFHS data base for Saham Toney, Transcript shows the death to be Ferd Hardy!
Mike.
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Hi Mike
the link I sent http://www.rootschat.com/links/0xj2/ does show the image of Isaac's burial, it's entry No. 185 at the top of the left hand page, if you zoom in you will see that it is Isaac Hardy.
yokel
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Yes I agree, but there is so much misleading info out there!
Baptisms records for Isaac and Anne (c1740) - not found anything, (FS) and I have looked in Suffolk and Cambridgeshire too.
Mike.
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Norfolk Transcript Archive
http://www.genealogy.doun.org/transcriptions/surnames.php?doc_type=250&surname=HARDY
Have Isaac Hardy and Ann Everitt marring at Thetford St Mary in 1766
Here's the marriage from Thetford PR's
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0xj6/
yokel
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Hi, there is this on freereg, burial in Costessey St Edmund 19/11/1761, Isacc
Hardy, on the notes it says (senior) Dave.
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I have a Query:
Anne Died 1801 age 59, Anne and Isaac children born: Mary Ann, 1783. Anne - age 41
John, 1785, Anne - age 45
James, 1789, Anne - age 47
Frances, 1791, Anne - age 49
Bearing in mind it is the 1780's was it possible for a Woman to have children at this age?
Also The marriage is given as 1766, thus the first child arrived 17 years after the marriage!
Should I suspect something here?
Mike.
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Hi Mike
I've just been looking at that!
The only thing linking James (1789) to that Isaac and Ann is the signature on the marriage cert of Isaac (widower) and Elizabeth Watson at Saham Toney.
yokel
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Hi Yokel,
I am no historian, but my instincts tell me you don't wait 17 years to have the first child (even in the 1700's) also 'very lucky'!
Perhaps somebody on here with knowledge would like to comment on child bearing age in the 1700's.
The two Isaac Hardy signatures did match.
Is there another possibility two Isaac/ Ann(e) Hardy families exist in Saham Toney at that time.
I have looked on all the children's baptism records, all record the parents as Isaac and Anne
Mike.
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Looks like Isaac/Ann Hardy had a son Isaac in Thetford in 1769
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0xjr/
Now! I wonder where went and who he married?
need to check if he survived
Sadly he died 1770
There's two more sons for Isaac and Ann
Isaac Joseph bap 1775
John bap 1777
yokel
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Anne Died 1801 age 59, Anne and Isaac children born: Mary Ann, 1783. Anne - age 41
John, 1785, Anne - age 45
James, 1789, Anne - age 47
Frances, 1791, Anne - age 49
Perhaps somebody on here with knowledge would like to comment on child bearing age in the 1700's.
Help!!
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I think we have two Family streams here. It is all in the female name:
The marriage Isaac Hardy and Ann Everet at St Mary's, Thetford 23rd Nov 1766, their children
Isaac b 1769
William b 1773
Isaac Joseph b 1775
John b 1777
Ties in nicely with the Marriage. Look at the actual register for all these entries then the female Ann spelt as, is evident. All from the same parish Mary's, Thetford. But the wrong family line!
Returning to our Isaac and Anne Everett. I think her death in 1801 Saham Toney is good? and Isaac's death in 1825 Saham Toney is also good
So we have both parents death in Saham Toney and all the children born in Saham Toney. The register for all baptism's clearly show the mother's name as Anne.
I think the marriage for our Isaac and Anne probably took place in Saham Tony c1780. All we need to do is find it? Then we may be able to find the baptism's for both.
Do you agree?
Mike.
Had a look in the Saham Toney registers (marriage) 1780 +- 5 years nothing shows up.
Can anybody suggest parishes local to Saham Toney for a wider search?
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Hi Mike
Do you agree?
Sorry to say, No :-\
The different spellings of Ann/e seem to be down to the local Vicar, in Thetford, looking through the Parish Register all the instances of Ann are spelt that way, in Saham Toney they are all/ most spelt Anne.
When Isaac and Ann were married, Ann made her mark (so therefore couldn’t write), so knowing whether there was an ‘e’ at the end of her name seems unlikely.
As you think the deaths of Isaac and Anne are good, that means they were both born c1740, so a marriage of 1766 is reasonable.
From the Norfolk Mills web site, Isaac Hardy built two mills in Saham in 1784, one of which was taken over by his son Michael in 1802
http://www.norfolkmills.co.uk/Windmills/saham-hills-towermill.html
Amended:- made slight faux pas (getting past my bedtime) so we need to find a baptism for Michael
But I still think that this is all the same family
Have I persuaded you ;)
yokel
ps
If you are looking for contiguous Parishes try this site
http://maps.familysearch.org/
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Hi Yokel, Isaac's link to the milling profession is interesting, and I cannot find another marriage later than 1766 but I am still uneasy with the fact Anne was producing children between the age of 40 and 50 which was unlikely in the 1700's.
As no reply was forthcoming re my query on a woman's ability to give birth in her 40 - 50 age in the 1700's, I placed a similar post on the 'Common Room Board' titled - 'Woman's fertility 1780 - 1790'. Received some interesting replies which tended to support my view that Ann (Thetford) could not have produced the second batch of children 1783 - 1791.
In my searches I have seen a reference to the child Michael Hardy linked to Isaac Hardy, will retrace my steps.
Mike.
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ok
Do you think we need to find another James Hardy born c1789?(which is basically what you said earlier)
Had a look at the Beccles PR's today to see if there was any info re James death, but unfortunately not, and they did not have the newspapers that covered that date.
Had a look at East Dereham Mill which states that "East Dereham towermill was built in 1836 by Michael Hardy, a miller & baker and James Hardy, a millwright"
Can't be your James as he died in 1822, so is this James a cousin of Michael or is it a different Michael.
But a Michael Hardy built the mill at Yaxham in 1810, which is the same year and place where James married Sophie Mack.
Wish I could find a Will somewhere
now confused :-\
yokel
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Hello,
'Tis indeed confusing!
I'm tending to agree with Yokel that all these children were baptised by the same couple, Isaac Hardy and his wife Ann(e) Everett.
I did find another baptism, this time at Thetford St Cuthbert - a Samuel, baptised in December 1778
(from the Archdeacons Transcripts)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-12987-3182-49?cc=1824688&wc=6895442
It seems this couple fell on hard times, as there was a Settlement Order made that year, looks like the couple were living between Thetford St Mary and Thetford St Cuthbert -
http://nrocat.norfolk.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=NCC3CL01&dsqIni=dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqPos=0&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Hardy%20Isaac%27%29
(did try to shrink the link but it wouldn't let me!)
Yorkslass
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Hi yorkslass,
When you refer to baptised do you mean the couple 'produced' the children as well?
Mike.