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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Flintshire => Topic started by: hiatt219 on Friday 10 January 14 15:54 GMT (UK)
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From the 1861 census I have found my Gt. Gt Grandfather, Benjamin Bolton, and his older brother Thomas. Their mother is Sarah Bolton, born Holywell in 1817. By 1861 she is a widow. I can't find any of them on the 1851 census. I have the two sons births, the older brother in Holywell as Thomas Boulton, and the younger in Durham as Benjamin Boulton.
I don't know anything about Sarah, except that which is stated on the census, and I don't know the name of her husband. Can't find a marriage with surname Bolton or Boulton, spouse Sarah.
Not sure where to go next, any suggestion would be appreciated!
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Hi
Thomas was bpt 28 July 1843, Holywell to James and Sarah
There's a James Boulton bpt 11 August 1805, Hawarden, to Thomas and Mary. I wonder if that's him?
Gadget
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At the time of Thomas's baptism his father James was listed as a shoemaker
Kay
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Marriage in Holywell 10 Sept 1836
James Boulton to Sarah Amos
Gadget
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Bpt 5 Jan 1814, Holywell
Sarah Amos d/o Thomas (soldier) and Mary
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That would be it Gadget,a good Holywell name Amos!According to the 1851 Census in Durham,there was another son Henry born in Manchester in c 1838.
HO107/2391/338/33.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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Possible 1851in Sherburn Durham
James Boulton 34 Fir? Man b Wales Married
Henry Boulton 13 b Manchester
Thomas Boulton 7 bWales
HO107 Piece: 2391 Folio: 338 Page: 33
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Think WR got there before you Kay - but you typed them out - he hardly ever does, so you win :)
Can't find a marriage so far for Thomas Amos and a Mary. There's one to a Sarah Hughes in 1805 :-\
As Thomas Amos was a soldier, they could have married anywhere during the Napoleonics :-\
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You'd have waited another ten minutes for me to type them out!
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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I was cross eyed trying to work out what a Fir Man was :)
Kay
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Online Trees have James dying in 1857 in Sherburn Hill Durham.None of them give Sarah's maiden name.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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1841? Living at Pump St Manchester. Both James and Sarah not born in County
James Batton 30 Shoemaker
Sarah Batton 25
Henry Batton 3
Kay
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Well, thanks to you all for the advice, lots for me to go and work on! Will post again when I have made some progress, or have another query!
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I have been following up all the advice and suggestions, and I think I have made some progress.
I think, but still looking for further confirmation:
James Boulton Bpt 17 Aug 1816 s/o Benjamin and Catharine, in Wrexham.
Sarah Amos Bpt 9 May 1819 d/o John and Margaret, in Halkyn, Flintshire. Born 3 May 1819.
Marriage 10 Sept 1836, Bagillt, Flintshire.
1841 census James and Sarah Bolton, Ruthin, Denbighshire. HO107 1404 23/7 7. Ages are not exact, but the five year rounding would work. James occupation given as shoemaker.
Thomas Boulton bpt 28 July 1843, Holywell, s/o James and Sarah, James is a shoemaker.
Still nothing on 1851 census.
James Bolton died 2nd quarter 1857 10A 144 in Durham.
1861 census, Sarah, a widow with two sons, which is where I came in.
So, a bit more investigating, but many many thanks for the suggestions, and if you have any more please don't hesitate!
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Hi
I don't think the 1841 in Ruthin is them.
I've just popped into Durham records online and found this:
The burial of James Bolton:
St Cuthbert, Shadforth
2 May 1857, James Bolton of Sherburn Hill, aged 40
This would fit with Kay's find for 1851:
Possible 1851in Sherburn Durham
James Boulton 34 Fir? Man b Wales Married
Henry Boulton 13 b Manchester
Thomas Boulton 7 bWales
HO107 Piece: 2391 Folio: 338 Page: 33
and tracing back:
1841? Living at Pump St Manchester. Both James and Sarah not born in County
James Batton 30 Shoemaker
Sarah Batton 25
Henry Batton 3
This would also fit with their marriage:
Marriage in Holywell 10 Sept 1836
James Boulton to Sarah Amos
I'll see if there's more info on Henry and also the whereabouts of Sarah in 1851.
Gadget
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I think that this is eldest son Henry in 1861:
RG9/3745/4/1
6 Shadforth Street, Sherburn Hill. Co. Durham
Henry Bolton, 23, b.Manchester
Jane, w, 22, b. Ireland, Co. Down
James, s, 1, b. Sherburn
Gadget
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Thanks for this, Gadget. I was a bit reluctant to accept the Manchester side, the 1851 entry introduces the older son, and doesn't include Sarah or Benjamin.
The Batton one in 1841 is a bit odd too. They were married in 1836 in Wales, apparently moved to Manchester and had a son, then went back to Wales for the second son, then to Durham, had a third son. I don't suppose it's too unusual for families to move around a lot, though, and the 1861 census for Henry and his family is pretty convincing.
So, still lots of investigating to do!
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And this fits with Kay's Fir man:
Baptism
St Cuthberts, Shadforth
9 March 1848 Benjamin Bolton of Sherburn Hill, son of James (fireman) and Sarah Bolton
Gadget
PS - my Welsh familes were great movers back and fro - Lancashire/Yorkshire/Staffordshire and Co. Durham and beyond
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Yes, I'm becoming more convinced now. I couldn't find a baptism for Benjamin, I'll go back and look again. I thought Fir Man may well be Fireman, glad that's cleared up!
So still to find Sarah and Benjamin in 1851, will report back with progress, thanks again!
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The baptism that I've quoted is from Durham Records Online :)
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So still to find Sarah and Benjamin in 1851, will report back with progress, thanks again!
If you find them, do let us know as I've had a good search using various names, etc. They could have been missed off as visitors. some people get recorded twice, others get missed :-\
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So still to find Sarah and Benjamin in 1851, will report back with progress, thanks again!
If you find them, do let us know as I've had a good search using various names, etc. They could have been missed off as visitors. some people get recorded twice, others get missed :-\
There is a thread about them in progress here http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=674481.msg5194607#msg5194607
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Thanks Jennifer :)
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I had one query in the Durham section and this one in Flintshire, I didn't know how to link the two!
I am now getting more convinced re the Manchester connection. I checked on Sarah's parents and I believe they were living in Manchester in 1841 and 51, so it would make sense. Also I read a note on Findmypast which states that only 82% of the Manchester census returns still exist for 1851, owing to water damage, so it could be that Sarah and Benjamin were in the 18% lost.
I'm not sure whether I should put a "completed" on these two posts, as I have found the maiden name, or leave them open to see if any further info is forthcoming?