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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Merionethshire => Topic started by: aled23 on Friday 10 January 14 22:24 GMT (UK)
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Can someone plz explain why if it is written that it is right, especially with the families of Beddgelert. LLanfrothen etc All these families are interlinked, mistakes are made, trust your gut feeln and check the original registers and follow back through these...just sayin..tis all...
A family I'm researching has a Jane..
The only Jane that I'm happy with (at the moment)is a Jane dau of Evan Isaac b 1724..dau of Evan Isaac Cae Glas Llanfrothen..not noted in any online pedigrees?!! WHY?
I have an Edward JONES marrying a Jane (NO SURNAME UNFORTUNATELY) in 1746 LLanfrothen...so educated guess Jane born C 1725
i then hav a burial date and a bond for EJ for 1782...and noted as of being of PARK..
In the bond is his son John ...meaning probably more than likely that Jane his wife has died...
In 1781 there is an entry of burial for Jane Evans of Park!...cud this be his wife? I thought so..but in every pedigree for this family this date is for the burial of Jane vch Evan, wife of Evan Isaac...with the question of WHY is she of Park...cud she not be the the wife of Edward Jones who died at Park and who had a wife called Jane?!! I wonder!
hope You understand where I'm coming from...so frustratin..just think sometimes pedigrees put you off..but marvelous things..hope someone in authority can shed some light..
cofion
Aled
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I don't know which particular online pedigrees you are referring to, but I would suggest that you need not trust any of them unless they are properly sourced. If they are, you can check the sources and see if you think the pedigrees are right. The printed word is not infallible just because it is printed, whether in a book or on a web-site - if "printing" is an allowable word in that context! I have seen a number of trees on a well-known subscription site which are demonstrably wrong in some details.
As for the difficulties of your area, it is just as bad in Glamorgan, as I well know, my mother being from the Rhondda! You sre not alone.
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If PARK was an area rather than a house then there could be a lot of people living and dying there. I would have assumed that Mrs Jones would be buried under that name - not Evans. Women are often not mentioned in legal documents if there is an adult male in the house so you cannot be sure she is dead by the time of the bond.
Have you looked at other parish register entries for that time to see if Park is mentioned? If you can see baptisms as well as burials it is more likely to be a hamlet or small village.
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In all my research pre 1800's all the wives went to their graves with their given name, the patronym, and on every bond that I have read re my family, if the wife is still alive then it is she who has signed...
I am well aware of the history of Park as I am a descendent through the well documented family of Anwyl..I just don't understand how every pedigree for Evan Isaac of Cae Glas LLanfrothen does not mention a daughter Jane...so be it it seems!!! She may not be mine, further research is needed I know, but she did exist is my point!
It could also be that the Park noted in the burials is that of the Gatehouse Park, where Edward and Jane's son Evan Edward lived and died...
regards
Aled
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this is interesting have you seen it ?
Isaac, Evan, Cae Glas, Llanfrothen, Merioneth, Gent
Evan Isaac : will, 1755.
http://hdl.handle.net/10107/759025
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Sometimes it just takes one person to publish a tree online, errors and all, and others copy the incorrect information - so it is duplicated over and over ...
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The Older pedigrees are often the only source of information, so in my opinion we have little choice to follow them until they can be proved wrong. Modern pedigrees posted on Family Search should not be followed unless they are properly sourced,
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If in doubt...leave it out...online trees can see you barking up the wrong tree...if there isn't a reliable source to check...I wouldn't use the information without further research. I have seen one of my lines on an online tree with Children attached to the wrong parents..easily done when there is a George, John and William in every generation as far back as 1786 ??? The tree in question has the Children of George from two different generations linked as one...result...the Mother had 14 the last one when she was 64 ???
A message to the author hasn't been heeded.
Carol
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http://www.baronage.co.uk/bphtm-01/essay-7.html
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http://www.cyndislist.com/myths/fakes/
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I even found an online tree that had my father married to hos own mother!! :o
And, during my time on RC, I have debunked a few "carefully drawn" pedigrees - usually from USA?! ::)
Don't trust anything unless you can verify it!
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A lot of pedigrees are incorrect but others are simply incomplete. Although there is a baptism for Jane, she doesn't appear in the pedigrees by T C Griffith or J E Griffith. Neither is she on this link - http://datingoldwelshhouses.co.uk/library/HHistory-old/HHCAE%20GLAS.pdf
It could mean that she died at an early age, although I can't find a record.
Her mother might have been living at Parc after John took over the estate. However, John is not mentioned in his father's will and so it may have passed to him during his father's lifetime.
David
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I published sent some data to a person on Family Search. She has published it as hers, totally unauthorised. I found it contained an error; her problem, and it also saves me following false trails.
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I just can't see or haven't found yet the proof that Jane uch Evan is the Jane EVANS noted in the pedigrees etc as being the correct burial for the wife of Evan Isaac Caeglas, when it clearly states that she was of Park! ..as noted for Edward Jones's burial in the PR, clearly stated as being of Park..
Edward Jones and Jane resided at BRAICH , which I believe is on the Park estate...so I am still following this lead that the burial may be for this Jane...until proven otherwise of course..
The same problem arose for my family of BODURDA, Ellin the daughter of Rowland Morgans omitted from the pedigrees, but she was a lot easier to prove!
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Remember it is very seldom we are able to prove something beyond a reasonable doubt; all too often the "Balance of probability"is beyond us too.
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Hello Roger :)
Long time no see. I'm amazed that you are connected to the Merionethshire/North Wales pedigrees. You've not mentioned it before :)
Which line are you connected to ? I'll get down my Griffiths and see if I can help you.
I think aled is concerned with these:
http://www.llgc.org.uk/?id=492
Gadget (linked back to Owain Glyndwr's sister via the pedigrees)
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So far as I am aware Judy, I have no links to Wales apart from a man from Somerset who went to South Wales to work in the coal industry.My interest in this thread is general, and the misleading information put on a variety of pedigrees. I am now in the same line of work that you entered a few years back, problem here is a bunch of the idiots think the Rules don't apply here. They will learn otherwise!
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It took me a lot of research to link back to the Welsh pedigrees. I was then helped by a distant cousin who helped with the old links. I could have gone back to Adam but stopped when it got daft :)
However, the Welsh Pedigrees are a specialised part of Welsh genealogy and they should be treated with care by those who know little/nothing about them. Maybe those who know nothing about them should not comment.
Gadget
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I am not concerned at all, I use the pedigrees extensively myself, I was simply saying that we are always going to find some errors in the publications, and to change the view of others is a big task..
TCG p252 Edward b 29.3.1801 should read Edmund !
This is important, as this Edmund is the father of William Meirion Evans, but because of an error, not noted...
http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/evans-william-meirion-12906
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I used 'concerned with' to mean 'referring to'.
You need to be very careful with the Pedigrees, aled - but I'm sure you know that. They take a lot of digesting :)
Gadget
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thanks Gadget, sorry for the misunderstanding :)
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I've got some of the reference books, aled, if you need any more info*, but best to follow them up yourself and verify. It makes you feel good to find it all yourself and can justify it. It took me ages but I did get there with a little cousinly help :)
Gadget
*PS - the type is so small that I have to get the magnifying glass out ;D
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yet another entry crossing into my research...I have a Joseph Jones born 1791 Amlwch, found an entry in the Amlwch register, only to find that this entry of baptism has been given to another Joseph born 1787 by no other than the national library, so obviously this entry cannot be for my JJ
http://wbo.llgc.org.uk/en/s-JONE-JOS-1787.html