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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Wigtownshire => Topic started by: McMahonCore on Wednesday 15 January 14 08:16 GMT (UK)
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Hi all,
I'm taking a break from my own research to find out a bit more about my wifes family the McKie's.
I'm looking for the parents of the Peter McKie below. Appologies if my information is scarce but I have very little to go on.
Peter McKie Born 1811 - Garlieston, Wigtownshire, married Jessie Walker Born 1814 - Dunscore, Dumfries-shire. They had 5 children that I know of:
MCKIE Margaret B. 1840 Ayrshire - Colmonell
MCKIE James B. 1843 Ayrshire - Colmonell
MCKIE George B. 1845 Ayrshire - Colmonell
MCKIE Jane B. 1847 Ayrshire - Colmonell
MCKIE Peter B. 1855 Wigtown - Penninghame
In the 1841 Census they are resident in Drumlamford House Cottage and in 1851 they are resident in Corwar Porters Lodge. These appear to be in on the same estate near Barrhill. Peter worked as a joiner and may have been involved in the construction of Corwar House which was built in the late 1830's.
I cannot find any record of the family in Scotland in the 1861 Census but they may have moved to England at this stage as his son James is married in Preston, England by the 1871 Census. James is my wifes gg grandfather.
Any new information would be great.
Thanks,
Noel.
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Hi Noel
The family still look to be in Scotland in 1861. From the transcript, I think this is them:
Peter Mackie 69, builder master, Gaibertown, Wigtownshire
Jessie Mackie 45 b. Dumfries
Margt Mackie 21
James Mackie 18
George Mackie 16
Jane Mackie 14
Peters Mackie 5
Jane Brown 66 visitor b. Dumfries
Address: Main Street, Newton Stewart, Wigtownshire
With James, son, being your direct line, you may not have viewed Peter's 1855 birth cert. For that first year of Scottish official registration, cert ran over two pages of the register and included more info that normal. For births, it should give you date and place of parents' marriage, ages and where they were from. How many children they had (alive/deceased and girls/boys).
Monica :)
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Hi all ,
http://www.freecen.org.uk/ has 1861 transcription as -
Peter Mackie 49 Master Builder Emp 8 Men 3 Bys born Wigtownshire - Garlieston
ev
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Thought there would likely be a will & testament entry for Peter if he died in Scotland. Looking/searching on the free index on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk I can see and entry for Jessie Walker and likely son Peter:
Jessie MacKie, 25 Oct 1893, or Walker, wife of Peter MacKie, builder Newton Stewart, Parish of Penninghame, County of Wigtown. Died 30 Nov 1893 at Newton Stewart aforesaid, intestate. Wigtown Sheriff Court. Ref SC19/41/20 - 3 pages.
Peter Mackie, 3 Nnov. 1890. Junior, Clerk, Newton Stewart, Parish of Penninghame, County of Wigtown. Died 7 March 1890 D. 07/03/1890 at Newton Stewart aforesaid, intestate. Wigtown Sheriff Court. Ref C19/41/19 - 3 pages.
Monica
PS: Thanks Ev. Thought Peter's age had been mistranscribed.
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Noel, Peter and Jessie are easy enough to find in Newton Stewart for 1871-91 census. At the same address of 11 Albert Street for all that time.
We know from the SP entry that Jessie died in 1893. Also: MACKIE/WALKER, Jessie - D30/11/1891 - At 11, Albert Street, Newton-Stewart, on the 30th ult., Jessie Walker, wife of Peter Mackie, joiner.. http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~leighann/wfp/deaths/13.html
Peter still showed as alive at that time. I think he died in the Penninghame parish area in 1897.
Both death registrations are available to view on SP.
Monica
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Thanks everybody!!
The change from Mc to Mac threw me off in the later census. They seemed to be a succesfull family in the building trade. Peter's son James was a joiner also along with George by the looks of things.
Is there any likelyhood of tracking down a marriage record for Peter McKie and Jessie Walker, or a birth record for Peter that might list his parents, or would I have to repy on local parish records, (if they exist).
Thanks,
Noel.
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Noel, I don't think there is one to be found unfortunately. I did double check on SP as sometimes the LDS/familysearch index is not comprehensive. Register may have been lost over the years...
Unlikely that the OPR entry would have included much info, much more that a one liner most of the time with simply groom and bride's names.
One possibility is that 1855 birth cert I mentioned for Peter Jnr which is likely to include a date and place of marriage for Peter and Jessie.
Best source for parents' info for both Peter and Jessie will likely be their death registrations from SP, assuming informant knew names to report. You can view and download images online for the certs for this period.
Monica
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Just take note of spelling variations when searching....
In addition to the Mac/Mc issue, I think you will find that m(a)c/Kie may also just show as KIE in the Sorbie parish registers, such as here for example https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FMMG-BTY
Monica
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Thanks Monica,
That will help a lot. At leaset I have some information to keep the in-laws happy!!!
Just to fill in the rest of the story. James moved to Preston, England after or around the time of his marriage to Jane (surname unknown)
They had 5 children one of whom John Charles McKie, married Emma Appleby and moved to Limerick, Ireland to take up a job as manager of Clunes Tobacco factory in the city where he worked until he was in his 80's. They had 5 children, only the youngest was born in Ireland.
His son James married a Catholic Mary McMahon (no relation!!!!) which wasnt a popular choice as the McKies were Presbeterian. They initially moved to England but shortly aftered returned to Limerick where they had 11 children, one of whom is David McKie my father in law.
Thanks again,
Noel.
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Just a small question from me.... ::)
How have you traced your James back to the family of Peter and Jessie in Wigtownshire? Without a marriage for James makes it trickier to be 100% (although it looks very likely!)
James' marriage pre 1866/7 given the daughter Mary Jane who shows in 1871? https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KD6G-Y4D
Another daughter Agnes born 1870 who died young?
Certainly both Jane and James didn't seem to follow an obvious naming pattern for their children's names. 1881 here https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KD6G-Y4D (I know you have all of these, just helps to add on here).
Monica
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Thats a perfectly valid question. Given my lask of information I am only working on the most likely parents for James McKie that lived in Preston, given the timeline, profession, probable origon etc.
Ill I know for definate is that James McKie is my wife's gg grandfather. I do not have a marriage record for James/Jane so I can not be 100% sure.
James and Jane's family names do see to have an odd naming convention apart from James and Jessie. Maybe the names came Jane's side or other branches of the McKie family?
McKie family in the 1881 Census:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XQ6J-BXM
Noel.
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Have you got James and Jane right up to 1911?
Monica
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::) I would have my eye on this family, from 1861:
William Mckie 58 farmer b. Minnigaff, Kirkcudbright
Mary Mckie (Johnstone) 52 b. New Abbey, Kirkcudbright
Grace Mckie 25
William Mckie 22
James Mckie 20 joiner b. Urr, Kirkcudbright
Robert Mckie 14
Maryann Mckie 10
Jannet Johnstone 80 mother in law, b. Urr, Kirkcudbright
Address: Paradise Farm, Dumfries St Michael
This looks like the above James' christening https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XYMF-4L4 His age fits better too. Your James shows consistently as born more like 1840/1 from his age in his census entries.
Monica
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Thanks Monica,
Your detective skills are more tuned in than mine!!!! The names, profession and dates seem to fit the picture all right. Ill have a look and see if I can make sense of it.
Noel.
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Noel, I believe (but havnt found the proof) that Peter was the son of George McKie and Margaret Milroy. Peter McKie's death certificate (recorded as Mackie) - 9th March 1897 at Penninghame records his father as George McKie, shoemaker, mothers name was not recorded.
Richard
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This MI from Penninghame old kirkyard may be of interest.
In Loving Memory of
Peter McKie
who died (?) March 1890
Aged 34 years.
Also Jane McKie
who died 21st November 1891.
Also Jessie Walker,wife of
Peter McKie Sen'r who died
30th November 1891.
Also Peter McKie Sen'r who died
8th March 1897.
" Asleep in Jesus peaceful rest,
who waking up is supremely blest".
Rgds Matt
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Thanks for the reply folks. As you can see its most likely the family listed above in Kirkcudbright is the McKie family that I'm looking for. I might post this message in the Kirkcudbright board as it is more likely to be spotted by relevant people.
Thanks again,
Noel.
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hi there,
Ive just recently joined .I was infact interested in searching for my ancestors.I am the great great grandaughter of John Carles Mckie.My great grandmother was Ivy Dillon nee Mckie.
jenny
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Hi Jenny,
Good to hear from you. I have some information I can pass on to you including some photographs that might be of interest. I'll PM you my e-mail address and you can reply via e-mail.
Regards,
Noel.
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Hi Jenny and Noel :)
Welcome to RootsChat, Jenny!
Noel, Jenny needs at least one more post here on the main boards before her PM service is activated.
Monica