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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: DeeBee58 on Wednesday 15 January 14 12:16 GMT (UK)
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I was wondering if any one can help me with finding birth or death details for John Mazzoletti, his wife Sarah France (Francis/Frances) and some of their children - Minnie, Joseph,George and Edward. I know that John (Giovanni) came to Australia from Italy, maybe Lombardia. John and Sarah were living in Alma Victoria when they were married in 1876.
Thanks
Debbie
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Death Sarah Mazzoletti 7 July 1940 http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/11301721?
cheers :)
cupoflife
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Wills, Probates and Administration Records
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0xli/
cheers :)
cupoflife
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May be of interest
1872 Giovanni Mazzoletti arrested on a charge of cutting and wounding
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/5861898? Article is on page 5 (middle column) under "On Sunday Night..." http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/page/232782?
cheers :)
cupoflife
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Hi Debbie,
Here's the marriage, and also some births.
Marriage....
John MAZZOLETTI born Italy married Sarah FRANCE in 1876.
Ref = 1335
Children born to this couple......
John MAZZOLAETTI born 1877 at MBORO
Ref = 23555
Minnie MAZZOLACTTI born 1878 at MA RY
Ref = 24150
William MAZZOLETTI born 1881 at DUNO
Ref = 8818
Joseph MAZOLETTI born 1883 at DUNO
Ref = 8672
Angelina MAZZOLETTI born 1885 at DUNO
Ref = 2204
Ernest MAZZOLETTI born 1887 at DUNO
Ref = 10561
Dee :)
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Some more children for John and Sarah .......and a couple of deaths.....
Cath MAZZOLETTI born 1889 at DUNOLLY
Ref = 11766
Edw MAZZOLETTI born 1892 at DUNOLLY
Ref = 12834
Mary MAZZOLETTI born 1891 at DUNOLLY
Ref = 11804
Mary MAZZOLETTI aged 2 months died in 1891 at Dunolly
Ref = 5896
Lillie MAZZOLETTI born 1893 at DUNO
Ref = 21822
Lilian MAZZOLETTI died aged 2 months in 1893 at Dunolly
Ref = 9707
Dee :)
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And
Birth
;D
MAZOLETTI Geo Leonard
Father Jno
Mother Sarah FRANCIS
Place DUNOLLY
Year 1895
Reg. 11594
Sue
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Missed that one, Sue! ;D
Some possible marriages for some of the children….
Angelina MAZOLETTI born GBORO married Alfd Ernt JONES in 1904
Ref = 4802
Ernest MAZOLETTI born GOLASBOROUGH married Hart MOONEY in 1912
Ref = 6971R
Cath MAZZOLLETI born GOLDSBOROUGH married Fredk HOLLAND in 1911
Ref = 4019
Dee :)
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A little more on marriages of the children.....
Edward MAZZOLETTI married May Muriel HOLLOW in 1916
Ref = 1727
William appears to have married a Ethel May HICKS but I haven’t as yet found the marriage.
Dee :)
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More deaths of children.....
Deaths….
Angelina ARTIS aged 60 died in 1945 at MVERN
Father = Jno MAZZOLETTI & Mother = Sarah FRANCIS
Ref = 7452
Alice HAYES aged 68 died in 1938 at INGLEWOOD
Father = John MAZOLETTI & Mother = Sarah FRANCIS
Ref = 12816
Catherina CALVERT aged 84 died in 1973 at WIND
Father = Joh MAZZOLETTI & Mother = Sarah FRANCIS
Ref = 19351
Ernest Philip MAZOLETTI aged 79 died in 1965 at GLEN
Father = John MAZOLETTI & Mother = Sarah UNKNOWN
Ref = 22522
Minnie MAZZOLETTI aged 87 died in 1966 at MELB
Father = John MAZZOLETTI & Mother = Sarah FRANCIS
Ref = 8816
Joseph MAZZOLETTI aged 79 died in 1963 at PARK
Father = John MAZZOLETTI & Mother = Sarah UNKNOWN
Ref = 7534
Edward MAZZOLETTI aged 79 died in 1970 at ASPE
Father = John MAZZOLETTI & Mother = Sarah FRANCIS
Ref = 19815
William MAZZOLETTI aged 88 died in 1970 at CAUL
Father: = John MAZZOLETTI & Mother = Sarah FRANCIS
Ref = 157
Some of these deaths indicate that a couple of the daughters appear to have married more than once.
Alice's birth is yet to be found. Her age at death, if accurate, suggests she was born before the parents marriage.
Dee :)
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Success!
This looks like the death of Giovanni/John MAZZOLETTI......
John MAZZOLETTI aged 92 died in 1942 at MALVERN
Father = MAZZOLETTI & Mother = Unknown UNKNOWN
Ref = 3888
Unfortunately, it's not much help in regards to his parents names.
Dee :)
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I’ve found a remarriage for daughter Catherine/Catherina…..
Catherine HOLLAND married Samuel CALVERT in 1942
Ref = 21066
However, I can’t find a remarriage for daughter Angelina.
Dee :)
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I wonder if this was the son John?
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/37689193
Dee :)
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I wonder if this is the birth of Alice?
Alice FRANCE born 1872 at TIMO
Father = UNKNOWN & Mother = Sarah FRANCE
Ref = 26813
Dee :)
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I wonder if this was the son John?
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/37689193
Dee :)
Yes, I think so Dee.
There is evidence that John MAZZOLETTI jnr and brother William were in the West for a time
William married there-
MAZZOLETTI William to HICKS Ethel M. at E COOLGARDIE reg 64 yr 1910
as did John-
MAZZOLETTI John to WILSON Maria at BOULDER reg 397 yr 1899
William and Ethel returned to Melbourne and are buried together at Springvale Cemetery.
John and Maria had children
Births
MAZZOLETTI Gladys Frances Parents John & WILSON Maria at BOULDER reg1124 yr 1900
MAZZOLETTI VIOLET MAY Parents John & WILSON Maria at BOULDER reg 169 yr1904
She died by suicide in 1913
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/92229868?searchTerm="mazzoletti" +suicide&searchLimits=l-textSearchScope=*ignore*%7C*ignore*|||l-word=*ignore*%7C*ignore*
MAZZOLETTI Maria at PLANTAGENET reg21 yr 1913
I think John remarried.
He is buried with his second wife Eva Eliza Millward MAZZOLETTI at Karrakatta.
Sue
ADDING the marriage to Eva
MAZZOLETTI JOHN to HOPSON Eva E M at PLANTAGENET reg 14 yr 1914
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Hi.
1904 Western Australia PO Directory
Mazzoletti Jno, Outram St, Perth.
Gerry
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Ahhh....a few more bits of the puzzle solved, Sue. :D
There are children born to some of the other marriages, but perhaps Debbie could tell us when she's online if she needs those details before they get typed up.
Dee :)
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1903 Commonwealth Electoral Roll
District of Kalgoorlie
Roll of voters who vote at Kamballie
Mazzoletti John, Outrim st, blacksmith.
Mazzoletti Joseph, Outrim St, labourer.
Mazzoletti Maria, Outrim St, home duties.
Mazzoletti William, Johnson St, labourer.
Gerry
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MAZZOLETTI
Springvale Botanical Cemetery
William and Ethel May http://www.rootschat.com/links/0xlj/
Edward http://www.rootschat.com/links/0xlk/
Fawkner http://www.gmct.com.au/deceased-search.aspx
Joseph (died 1963 age 79) and Susannah Alice (same plot died 1942 age 66)
Frankston Lawn Cemetery
There is a George Leonard Mazzoletti 1916-1982 age 65 so possibly next generation ??
http://www.australiancemeteries.com/vic/frankston/frankstonlawngndata.htm
cheers :)
cupoflife
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An interesting snippet about Denmark in Western Australia where John Mazzoletti Junr resided .....there is the most beautiful beach named Mazzoletti beach there.
http://www.denmarkwesternaustralia.com/denmark-wa-travel-destinations/mazzolettibeach.htm
Dee :)
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Melbourne to Fremantle via Albany (arrived 21st Jan 1899)
'S S. Adelaide'
W Mazoletti disembarked at Fremantle.
Gerry
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Denmark Cemetery WA
Burials
Maria Mazzoletti, buried 1st May 1913, age 35, grave 416.
Gerry
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The late Mr John Mazzoletti, December 1930.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/33224298?searchTerm=
Gerry
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I wonder if this is the birth of Alice?
Alice FRANCE born 1872 at TIMO
Father = UNKNOWN & Mother = Sarah FRANCE
Ref = 26813
Dee :)
I'm really unsure that the above is the birth of Alice MAZZOLETTI. I've found more births to a Sarah FRANCE/FRANCIS with father unknown in the same area and including a couple after the marriage of Giovanni and Sarah.
However, I've found the following marriage for Alice....
Alice MAZZOLETTI born ALMA married Francis HAYES in 1885.
Ref = 6589
Dee :)
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Wow!!! Thank you all so much for all the information - what an amazing forum. I am very grateful.
My Mazzoletti family are those in Victoria, maybe those in Western Australia are also related...I will look into that at a later date.
Since my original post, I have found Sarah's mother's (Christiana Need's) death certificate - it states Sarah was only 7 years old when her mother died (1864) - Christiana's remains were found "bleached and scattered about on the ground" - an inquest into her death was held on 14th April 1864.
Sarah's father was William Francis (a shepherd) and according to Christiana's death certificate, Sarah had a brother John who was dec.
Looking through the information you have contributed above and what I have, I calculate that *Alice* (who is my Grt Grt Grandmother) was born 8 years before John and Sarah were married. That would make John 17 years of age and Sarah only 11 or 12 at the time of *Alice's* birth.
I also have just found John's death certificate. The child listed as being born after Alice is John and he was born in 1877 a year after the couple married and about 8 or 9 years after *Alice* was born.
Not that it is impossible but I am beginning to doubt that John and Sarah are in fact *Alice's* parents.
I guess I may never know...
Thanks again so much for all your help
Debbie
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Maybe they adopted her, Debbie. :-\
Glad to have been ab;e to help.
Dee :)
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Dee, I purchased a copy of this birth certificate and am pretty sure that this is my *Alice*!! :) :)
Thank you so much for helping to solve the puzzle. The only downside is that we have lost the Italian heritage we were proud of :(
Thanks
Debbie
I wonder if this is the birth of Alice?
Alice FRANCE born 1872 at TIMO
Father = UNKNOWN & Mother = Sarah FRANCE
Ref = 26813
Dee :)
I'm really unsure that the above is the birth of Alice MAZZOLETTI. I've found more births to a Sarah FRANCE/FRANCIS with father unknown in the same area and including a couple after the marriage of Giovanni and Sarah.
However, I've found the following marriage for Alice....
Alice MAZZOLETTI born ALMA married Francis HAYES in 1885.
Ref = 6589
Dee :)
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A good outcome overall, Debbie. :D
And your thread helped to pass a few hours of the dreadful heatwave for me! 8)
Dee :)
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Hi Debbie,
I hope you see this!
I have a very good friend who late last year went to Western Australia on holiday and spent some time in the Denmark area. When we were talking today about the wonderful photos he took and shared with me, I mentioned I'd hoped he'd taken one of Mazzoletti Beach. He then told me that he'd purchased a book about the history of Denmark, and that he would check it to see if there was any mention of the Mazzoletti family in it. I now have scans of several pages of the book, and if you would like a copy, just send me an email address in a PM and I'll forward them to you.
I am sure that the John Mazzoletti who settled there will prove to be the son of Giovanni/John and Sarah. There were so many who went from the Eastern States to W A around that time, and the only record for John Junior, other than his birth in 1877, in the Victorian BMDs is the birth of a child in 1902, when it appears he and wife Maria WILSON (Sue posted their marriage in 1899 in W A earlier in the thread) returned to Victoria for a visit.
Dorothy Lilian MAZZOLETTI born 1902 at ST ARNAUD
Father = Jno MAZZOLETTI & Maria WILSON
Ref = 13950
Dee :)
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Additional information here to indicate that John (Jack) MAZZOLETTI of Denmark, W A, was the son of Giovanni/John MAZZOLETTI.....
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/70167626
Dee :)
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I think Joseph MAZZOLETTI, born 1883 to John & Sarah, married in South Australia.
Joseph MAZZOLETTI aged 39 and single married Alice Maud CHAMBERLAIN aged 45 and divorced on 22nd January 1923 at the Residence of Rev J T Deacon, Torrens Park.
Fathers = John MAZZOLETTI & William Palmer PHILLIPS
Ref = Ade 294/167
Dee :)
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Not that it is impossible but I am beginning to doubt that John and Sarah are in fact *Alice's* parents.
Hi Deb ..
If you are still looking - I research the Mazza tree for a friend who is a relative of William Mazzoletti. Some time back – I came across someone else who was also looking at “Alice” being mothered by “France” but taken on as a “Mazza”.
I have lots of bits and pieces of the Mazza puzzle in Victoria and the WA connection is defiantly there. There is an article in one of the WA papers where the son of John Mazzoletti - a young Jack Mazzoletti (about 12) was rescued from drowning in a river by an onlooker. I can find the articles for you if you wish.
Rick
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Hello Rick, and welcome to RootsChat. :)
Deb hasn't been on the site since mid March, but hopefully she'll get an email to let her know there has been a new post for her on this thread.
I was able to forward her information from the book about the history of Denmark.
Dee :)
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Thanks Dee,
and Hi Rick, I did get an email and have sent a PM :)
Debbie
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Hi all - I saw the Pm and 'mail - so now I am playing a bit of catch-up and you have me doing some work .. I am recompiling my timeline file on the Mazzas.
Denmark initially threw me for a 6 until I worked out it's in WA and then I nearly laughed myself to death.
Trove articles relating to the almost drowning death in the WA - Denmark river of young Jack Mazzoletti during a life saving demonstration (of course)
Far right edge of page 2 , ‘bout mid way down
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/70136180?searchTerm=Edward%20MAZZOLETTI&searchLimits=sortby=dateAsc (http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/70136180?searchTerm=Edward%20MAZZOLETTI&searchLimits=sortby=dateAsc)
More info, roughly about the center of the article
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/70136789?searchTerm=Edward%20MAZZOLETTI&searchLimits=sortby=dateAsc (http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/70136789?searchTerm=Edward%20MAZZOLETTI&searchLimits=sortby=dateAsc)
Alice was born around the same time as John Mazzoletti was charged for the stabbing at the Alma Flat gold mining area – I made a note that he actually did not do the deed but another Italian arrested with him admitted to it in the eventual trial which I have listed as being on 8 May 1872. I haven’t been able to “re-find” the actual trial info at this point. If John (Giovanni) did any time for his part in the crime – that could explain the delay in the marriage .. anybody got the trial record to save me a mountain of searching as I couldn’t find it easily ??
Just for everyone’s entertainment .. In Victoria at Kooyong tennis stadium in 1953 - Not recognizing the President of the Tennis association – a “new” ticket inspector who was called Ernest Mazzoletti refused the President entry into the VIP area because he didn’t have a pass .. I wonder if he got into trouble for that ? ..
Rick
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Hi Debbie,
My friend who visited Denmark and found some information for you last year has just come back from another visit. This time he has returned with a 45 page history of the Mazzoletti family in Denmark, "The Jack Mazzoletti Saga - the story of a pioneer settler of Denmark, W A ". Both my friend and I have found it to be absolutely fascinating reading.
I'll send you a PM.
Hopefully you have email notifications enabled.
Dee :)
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Hi,
William Mazzoletti was my Grand Father. My Mother was Phyllis Mazzoletti 4th daughter to William and Ethel May Hicks from Clayton,Vic;
I have been researching our family history for a short time.
I have found that John Mazzoletti's (William's Dad) Mother (Domenica) is buried at the St.Arnaud cemetery. There is a Mazzoletti Rd; in the bush at St.Arnaud.
I can't find any record of Domenica's husband John.
I would like to hear from anyone who has some information on the Mazzoletti family tree.
Regards,
Jenny
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hi Jenny
My great grandfather was John Mazzoletti. Son of Giovanni.
John Mazzoletti has ties to he goldfield and Denmark in WA. Denmark is where my nana was born - Violet May Mazzoletti, she had a bother Jack and two sisters Dorothy (Doris) and Gladys. My Nana met Charles Alfred Onions and married and went on to have my Mum, Nina Onions, and three sons - Wilson, Raymond and Leslie.
I have only just started delving into the history past of my grandparents and there are some fascinating stories.
Megan
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I have learnt some much of my family roots from your questions and the responses from people.
I am a decedent of Giovanni and Sarah Frances. My great grandfather was one of their sons, John MazZoletti. He was indeed from Denmark WA after being in Kalgoorlie. My roots start there with my nana and pop meeting and raising their family there.
I am still in early stages of collating information and pictures left by my nana. But would love to share what I have with you that relates to you.
Thanks
megan
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Hi Megan
I would love to see what you can add to my Mazzoletti family research
Deb
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I have attached one of my nana's (Violet May Mazzoletti) photos - Men of the Mazoletti Family 1926 -
L-R Back Bill, John, George, Ern, Joe,
L-R Front Granddad Giovanni, Eddie
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Here is what is written on the back of the Men of the Mazzoletti Family. I don't seem to have a copy of the "Women taken in a separate photo' but will delve into my mum pics to see what she has.
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Hello
I’m Anne Kelly (née Mazzoletti ) . John Mazzoletti - shown in the photo - was my grandfather. My father was Frank Mazzoletti ( born in Denmark WA )and Violet Mazzoletti was my aunty.
I have a brother, John Mazzoletti ( named after his grandfather.) I’ d loved to know more about the Mazzoletti family if anyone has more to share.
regards
Anne K
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Hi Dee
John Mazzoletti was my grandfather and I’m interested in finding out how to source the Jack [John] Mazzoletti Saga that you mentioned in a previous message. Are you able to provide any more information?
Regards
Anne Kelly (née Mazzoletti)
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My husband and I drove along Mazzoletti Beach three years ago - we live about four hours away from it. Here’s a photo
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Hi Anne,
I'll send you a private message with an email address. If you send me an email, I'll save it so that I can contact you once I am back home. At present I am evacuated to Canberra because of the Morton Bush Fire in NSW, and I am not expecting to go home for at least another couple of weeks.
Dee :)
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Hello
My names Alesha
I’m writing from the connections to Alice Mazzoletti. She had a daughter called Amy that was my great great grand mother
I’m hoping to find any documents that the family came from Italy. As I am hoping to relocate there from Melbourne in the coming years and I may be able to get an ancestral Italian residency