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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Ayrshire => Topic started by: Alma on Wednesday 15 January 14 21:45 GMT (UK)
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This couple married in 1855 Swansea, UK. They had at least 2 children - Elizabeth and Robert born in Dalry, Ayrshire,Scotland. I am trying to locate details on Bridget's parents. She was born in Ireland and appears in 1851 census UK Swansea as "lodger". She may be listed in the Scotland's People website under Catholic deaths where I believe less detail is given than in RGO deaths. Would my best hope be her marriage certificate in Swansea? I think the family appear in 1861 census Dalry,Ayrshire,Scotland. (Various spellings make this a tad difficult to search)
Warm regards
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Hi Alma,
Could this be a 3rd child born in England - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N1XC-38W
Maria McCutchion christened 7th Apr 1857 Bilston,Stafford, England
Looby :)
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Hello Loobylooayr!
Wow...that was amazing the speed of a response to my query and yes, that surely appears to be another child of the couple. I am most grateful for your assistance and surely this will be a great help!
Many thanks
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Alma, I'm not 100% sure but I think if Bridget died in Scotland there should be a death record in the Statutory Deaths on Scotlands People as well as perhaps a record in the Catholic Registers.
Do you have an idea of where and when she died?
A Scottish death record should have her parents names recorded if the person registering her death knew their names.
Looby :)
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Hi again!
Not sure of date of death or place but I did a free search on Scotland's People and it brought up one Bridget McCutchon death but only in the Catholic Death portion 1742-1955 but I don't know of course if this is "my" Bridget. There was also 1 exact match for this spelling in the 1861 Scotland Census.
I might need to think a bit more on where I go from here.
Many thanks...you are a busy beaver!
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This looks like the 1861 census that you are referring to in Dalry, Ayrshire.
Bridget McCutchon 36 b Ireland
Mary McCutchon 6 B England
Elizabeth Mccutchen 3 b Dalry
Robert I Mccutchen 1 b Dalry
Just looking at the name Dooloughty in Ireland.
Although I cant see anything around the time of Bridget's birth, ( most records start around 1860) it is noticeable that this last name is concentrated in Co Clare and Galway.
EDIT:
The SP site can be manipuated to get accurate info
There is a person called Bridget McCutchon on the Catholic Burials but it cannot be the woman in question.
This woman died in 1932 aged 75= year of birth circa 1860
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I wonder if James McCutchion was dead by the 1861 Census.
If so perhaps Bridget left Scotland.
Do you know if she and her children moved on?
Are you tracing down the line through one of her children? If so where is that child in future Censuses (if you have that info)?
I've done some permutations of Bridgit's name on the free search at Scotlands Peoples Statutory Deaths and so far have not struck lucky. :(
Looby :)
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Nope, not tracing through any of her children and really only discovered her in 1851 Uk Census yesterday. I might even go for the marriage cert in UK as it will have her father's name at least and if he was not "John" I could exclude her from my immediate line but I suspect these families were all inter-related back in Clare/Galway - not a common name.
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James McCutchion, Iron miner (married), d. 1st May 1860, age 40, Dalry, Ayrshire.
Parents names, Thomas McCutchion & Susan McCutchion m.s. Hill.
Informant, Michael Sweeney, Occupier.
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My thanks to all contributors for the info I now have. Perhaps Bridget did leave Scotland after the death of her husband - I've a lot to occupy the brain!
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I have now progressed further with this posting...
Bridget appears to have married 2ndly to John Kennedy (marriage not yet located) and had two children Ann Brown Murray Kennedy born 24.7.1873 Rutherglen,Lanark, and William James Kennedy born 23.5.1868 Stevenson,Ayrshire,Scotland. She may also have had another son Thomas born 13.4. 1866 Stevenson, Ayrshire, registered as "Kenny"..(LDS website) - Parents John Kenny and Bridget Doolaughty. I note on Mundia Bridget's lines have been researched although her parents names have not yet been located.
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Hi Alma,
If Bridget was married to John Kennedy, the date and place of their marriage should be recorded on the birth certificates of William b.1866 and Ann. b 1873.
Noticed on Family search that Ann's birth has parents recorded as John Kennedy and Bridget McCutchion (her first married name)-
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FQ8D-YF8
Also if Bridget's age is correct on 1861 Census - age 36 this makes her 48 when having this baby. Wow! Life must have been tough.Widowed then remarryring and having babies well in to her 40s. Looby :)
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Yes, I suppose I should NOT assume a marriage until I locate the certificate. I've not researched much in the Scottish records so its great to see how much detail is recorded compared to my Irish certificates. I may well go online and order the marriage lines of Bridget and her husband James McCutchion back in 1855 Swansea as its just too tempting to resist not doing so! I just cannot believe how many folks are researching these days...must be enormous.
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Yes family history research is very popular and very obsessional ;D ;D
There is a Bridget Kennedy on the 1871 Census in Rutherglen aged 38.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VBPB-1YL
Unfortunately Familysearch don't give much info on their Census records. But it looks like this Bridget was not born in Scotland. Her age doesn't tie with your Bridget on the 1851 but errors can be made!
And of course Bridget could have been economical with the truth when meeting husband no 2 ;D
She could have knocked a few years off ( wouldn't be the first or last to do that)
Looby :)
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Good Find Looby
Looks like her on the 1871 return
1871: Pollock Land, King St, Rutherglen
Name Age
John Kennedy 44 coal miner b Ireland
Bridget Kennedy 38 b Ireland
Mary Kennedy 14 b Swansea
Lizzie Kennedy 14 B Dalry
Helena Kennedy 7 b Irvine
Tho Kennedy 5 b Stevenston
Wm Kennedy 3 b Stevenston
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It get's curiouser and curiouser!
1881: definitely the same Thomas and William from 1871 and daughter Ann fits with info already found?
39 New St Rutherglen
Elizabeth A Kennedy 44 ???? B Ireland
Sarah McKenna 17 daughter b Irvine
Thomas Kennedy 16 Son b Stevenston ( Iron Turner)
William Kennedy 12 son b Steventon
Ann Kennedy 5 Daughter b Rutherglen
James McKenna 30 Son In Law b b Ireland ( chemical works labourer)
EDIT:
Birth of daughter Sarah! No wonder this family is hard to track
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XY51-J7Z
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Well done annep
So it looks like Bridget was certainly not married in 1864 when she had Sarah.
And it also looks like shes only aged 8 years in 20 ;D ;D
Maybe the 1851 Census should have been 26? But her age is definitely not consistent :-\. Perhaps she didn't know her correct age?
And using the name Elizabeth in 1871 :-\.
Looby
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It get's worse
This is daughter Elizabeth/Lizzie
She married Robert Lindsay.
1881: 19 Windsor St, Hamilton
Name Age
Robert Linsey 38 B Drummore, Ireland
Elizabeth Linsey 23 b Stevenston
William Linsey 3 Son b Rutherglen
Maggie Linsey 2 Daughter b Rutherglen
James Linsey 2 Mo Son B Hamilton
John Kennedy 34 Boarder ??? Born Belfast
No doubt about it, her sister Annie and brother Thomas are in the household at 1891 and we know that Annie married in Hamilton circa 1894.
Lizzie/Elizabeth may have died by 1891
1891 15 Windsor St, Hamilton
Robert Lindsay 42
William Lindsay 14
Margaret Lindsay 12
James Lindsay 10
John Lindsay 8
Jane Lindsay 6
Annie Lindsay 4
Thomas Kennedy 24 Brother in Law b Stevenston
Annie Kennedy 17 Sister In Law b Rutherglen
1901
15 Windsor St, Hamilton
Robert Lindsay 56
William Lindsay 23
James Lindsay 20
John Lindsay 18
Annie Lindsay 14
Margaret Frame 22
William Frame 23
Charles Frame 2
Robert Frame 7 Mo
No sign of Bridget. She either died or moved between 1881 and 1891
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Do you think Sarah aged 17 on 1871 Census and apparently married to James McKenna is the smae girl as Helena aged 7 on 1861? Both born in Irvine.....
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Yes, now I see it,
Helena does seem to be a mistranscription.
Pretty sure that she is Sarah
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I feel certain that daughter Sarah McKenna will be the link to finding the info on missing Bridget.
As per usual with this family... I can't find the Sarah or her husband after 1881
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25, January, 1876, 26 King Street, Rutherglen.
John Kennedy, 45, Coal miner, Widower & Bridget McCutchion, 42, Widow.
Parents names John Dolaughty, Tailor (master) & Bridget Glen.
Bridget's name is Dolaughty in the index.
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You are a star weeaza!
This provides Alma with the info that she was looking for :D :D
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You are a star weeaza!
This provides Alma with the info that she was looking for :D :D
I second that! Well done! Now we have Bridget's parents names :)
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Gidday Weeaza and my fellow family historians
I have just opened up my PC having spent the morning in our local public Library searching on Ancestry.
Today I had found the family in 1871 Rutherglen census as a result but like I am totally OVER THE MOON with the discovery you have made.
John Doolaghty and Bridget Glynn were the parents of my g.grandfather John Doloughty (aka Doolaghty and various other spelling variations) who was murdered in Ennis, Co Clare, in July 1882. A young man Francis Hynes was later executed at Limerick for the crime. The Clare Heritage Centre did a report back in 1994 listing details on the family.
The murdered John had several siblings one of whom was listed as Bridget baptised 5.2.1833. John Delahunty (note the spelling at civil reg) her father died at Corebeg, Co Clare in 1885 and he was a "tailor". His wife Bridget was present at his death. She died soon after in 1893 in the Workhouse, Ennis and her death was registered as "Doolaghty" from Corebeg.
Yes, the family surname has been a bit of a nightmare...but fortunately not too common in Co Clare! What can I say...I've just toll called one of my brothers in the North Island, NZ such is the excitement here!
:) :) :)
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Really pleased the jigsaw pieces have all come together Alma and you've been able to connect this family with your GG grandparents.
The story of your great grandfather sounds tragic but very interesting :(
Good luck with your further research,
Looby :)
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Hi Alma,
Pleased to have helped.
I can't find a death for Bridget.
The only BMD's I can find for anyone named Doolaughty or various spellings are:
John Kennedy, Illegitimate, b. 27th Oct 1875, 5 New Street, Rutherglen. Birth registered by Bridget. John Kennedy (father) was a witness at registration.
John Kennedy, McCutchion or Dolaughty, 11 weeks, Died 22nd Jan 1876, 26 King Street Rutherglen. Registered by John Kennedy.
Ann Brown Murray Kennedy (indexed Dolaughty), Illegitimate, b. 24th July 1873, 11 Stonelaw Street, Rutherglen. Registered by Bridget McCutchion. John Kennedy, father, present.
It looks as if they had a couple children before they got married.
Steven :)
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Hi Steven
Yes, I was thinking that could be the case. I think its been a real bonus that Bridget remarried in Scotland as it was because of that marriage entry you were able to get the info for me.
Did you find the marriage lines via Scotlands People
Warm regards
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Hi Alma
Yes I got the marriage on SP.
I searched for a marriage of a John, surname beginning with 'Ken' & Bridget with no surname.
Steven :)
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I was thinking about the dates that you mention re the murder of John Dooloughty.
Could Bridget have returned to Ireland?
Bridget was known to be in Rutherglen at 1881 ( 1yr before her brother's death), albeit entered as Elizabeth A Kennedy but she cannot be found afterwards.
She was evidently still living when her daughters, Elizabeth and Sarah married.
At 1891 her youngest daughter Ann Brown Kennedy was residing in Hamilton, and we know she married in 1894.
Therefore, the 1894 marriage of Ann to Thomas Archibald should state if her mother Bridget was living or deceased at that time.
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I am now in contact with a member of the Archibald family. They may have the marriage certificate of Ann Brown Murray Kennedy and Thomas Archibald.
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Annie Brown Murray Kennedy, 20, & Thomas Archibald, 23, married 9th March 1894 at 64 Windsor Street, Hamilton.
Annie's parents are listed as John Kennedy, coal miner, & Ann Kennedy, previously McCutchion, m.s. Dillon (Both Deceased). ???
Ann Kennedy, widow 1st of James McCutcheon, lead miner. 2nd of John Kennedy, stone miner.
Died 6th Nov 1890, age 46, 63 Windsor Street, Burnbank, Hamilton.
Parents: John Dillon, Tailor (master) & Margaret Dillon.
Informant, Thomas Kennedy, son. ??? :P ???
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Annie Brown Murray Kennedy, 20, & Thomas Archibald, 23, married 9th March 1894 at 64 Windsor Street, Hamilton.
Annie's parents are listed as John Kennedy, coal miner, & Ann Kennedy, previously McCutchion, m.s. Dillon (Both Deceased). ???
Ann Kennedy, widow 1st of James McCutcheon, lead miner. 2nd of John Kennedy, stone miner.
Died 6th Nov 1890, age 46, 63 Windsor Street, Burnbank, Hamilton.
Parents: John Dillon, Tailor (master) & Margaret Dillon.
Informant, Thomas Kennedy, son. ??? :P ???
I'm confused ??? ??? :o
Is the above death Bridget's death?? Or is this someone entirely different? Or is it too early on a Sunday for me ;D?
Looby :) :
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The above death is the person listed as the mother of Annie Brown Murray Kennedy on the marriage entry.
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Hi Alma,
Pleased to have helped.
I can't find a death for Bridget.
The only BMD's I can find for anyone named Doolaughty or various spellings are:
John Kennedy, Illegitimate, b. 27th Oct 1875, 5 New Street, Rutherglen. Birth registered by Bridget. John Kennedy (father) was a witness at registration.
John Kennedy, McCutchion or Dolaughty, 11 weeks, Died 22nd Jan 1876, 26 King Street Rutherglen. Registered by John Kennedy.
Ann Brown Murray Kennedy (indexed Dolaughty), Illegitimate, b. 24th July 1873, 11 Stonelaw Street, Rutherglen. Registered by Bridget McCutchion. John Kennedy, father, present.
It looks as if they had a couple children before they got married.
Steven :)
We have above the illegitimate birth of Ann Brown Murray Kennedy as Bridget McCutchion and John Kennedy's daughter.
But on her marriage Ann Brown Murray Kennedy gives her mother's name as Ann McCutchion/Kennedy maiden name DILLON.
And we have the death of an Ann Kennedy born circa 1844 dies 1890 aged 46 widow of James Mcutcheon and also John Kennedy with parents John and Margaret Dillon.
Hmmm... and Bridget Dooloughty and James McCutchion married in Swansea in 1855 when the above Ann if her age is correct would have been about 11.
Surely someone had their wires crossed ;D
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Again thank you all!
I am inclined to believe that some of the details on the marriages lines for Ann Brown Murray Kennedy were not correct and also those on the death certificate for Ann ?Dillon.
I do think that this Ann was actually Bridget D....do listers share my view? Bridget's age in 1851 Swansea UK census was definitely correct (17 yrs) and she certainly married a John Kennedy.
???
This family has certainly been challenging for listers to find on my behalf.
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I am with you on this one Alma,
Your line of enquiry was started because you were trying to ascertain if Bridget Doolaughty was the daughter of your direct ancestors.
Bridget's marriage to John Kennedy confirms what you had hoped.
Only Bridget herself, could have provided the names of her parents on that marriage cert.
Then there is the birth of Annie. Her birth confirms that she was the daughter of John and Bridget
All the other, conflicting info was provided by Bridget's own children.... after her death.
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Hello Anne
Thank you. That was my thinking on it also.
Alma
NZ
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Yes I think the records all pertain to Bridget Dooloughty/McCutchion/Kennedy too.
As I said someone had their wires crossed ;D
I think we forget sometimes that people probably forgot exactly how old their father/mother was especially when they had no paperwork/documents to give them all the details.
Looby
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On that note...
People do get confused, even when they know!
My dads's younger brother died 10yrs ago. He was married/widowed with just one daughter ( she is older than me).
Although our grandfather died before either of us were born, we both knew our paternal grandmother. My cousin spent a lot of time with our grandmother. We all called her by her 1st name.
I was at the GRO recently, and looked at my uncles death cert. ( wasn't sure how old he was)
His daughter, my cousin, registered the death.
She must have been in a state when she registered the death because I can't believe who she named as his parents.
She named a random person as our grandfather, but then named her own maternal grandmother as his mother??
( I have seen her parents marriage cert and know she named her maternal grandmother, rather than our shared paternal one)
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Annie Brown Murray Archibald d. 4 Oct 1916, age 43, Hamilton.
Parents this time are John Kennedy & Bridget Kennedy m.s McCutchion, both deceased.
Thomas Archibald, widower.
Eliza Lindsay, 32, d. 6 April 1888, 71 Windsor Street, Burnbank, Hamilton.
Parents: James McCutchion (deceased) & Bridget Kennedy, previously McCutchion, m.s Dolaughty. Heart Disease.
Robert Lindsay, widower.
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I may have located birth of a son John Kennedy McKenney of James McKenney and Sarah Kennedy McKenney - John Kennedy McKenney born 10 Oct 1881, Rutherglen, father James McKenney and mother Sarah Kennedy McKenney... A later death of a John Kennedy McKenney in 1883 on SP but I do not have age at date of death!
Could this be child of James McKenna and Sarah Kennedy...another piece of the puzzle perhaps.
Alma
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Here they are:
1901: 82 Main St, Rutherglen
All Children born in Rutherglen
James Mckenny 45 b Ireland. Brickworks Labourer
Sarah Mckenny 38 B Irvine
David Mckenny 12
Mary Mckenny 14
Alen Mckenny 5
Hugh Mckenny 2
EDIT:
Found them at 1891 with 2 additional children who are not on the 1901 census
14 Artizan St Rutherglen
Name Age
James Kinney 41
Sarah Kinney 28
David Kinney 7
Tho Kinney 5
Mary Kinney 3
Wm Kinney 9 M
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Hello Anne
Thank you so much - your input is invaluable to me and has made my day!
Alma
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I have now 3 A4 pages listing some of Bridget's descendants. This has been a rewarding and interesting journey for me and it would not have taken place without the assistance of fellow researchers. I am indeed most grateful