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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests => Topic started by: seahall on Thursday 16 January 14 15:02 GMT (UK)
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Hi.
I am trying to find the Chatfield family who had a son born in Edited 1916 1919 named Frederick.
I wish to work backwards of course but due to being after the 1911 can not find
out the correct family at the moment.
Edited. I now know his father was named William.
I do know he had a sister and it is possible his mother's surname was Fincken.
Sandy
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Possible marriage for parents but name not William
June qtr 1910
Charles Alfred Chatfield
Caroline Fincken
Mile End 1c 500
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Hi Rosie.
I just edited post as cert has arrived.
What happened to Morning Post. :)
Now know it is William as the father so not Charles.
Thank you.
Sandy
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What information does the cert give for Frederick and his father.
Post is erratic, I normally get mine by 11am though. Early this morning I received by Royal Mail Parcel post an item ordered online yesterday afternoon and due for delivery Friday morning before 1 o'clock ;D My letter post arrived an hour later with the same postman though on foot and not in van as previously. ;D
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The following born Mile End , Chatfield mother's maiden name FINCKEN
William A 1912
Caroline S 1914
Frederick W 1916
Stanley E 1922
Sidney E 1924
Florence E 1925
all registered Mile End
Louisa Maud
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How sure are you that your Frederick was born 1916?
There were only 2 born in 1916 - Frederick Ashton Chatfield b.24/9/1916 Chorlton, Lancs. who died 2001 Blackpool, Lancashire and Frederick Walter Chatfield b.26/1/1916 Mile End, mmn Fincken, who died 1997 Thurrock. You have, however, vetoed that one because your Frederick's father was named William.
The only marriage between a Chatfield and Fincken is the one already posted and definitely not a William Chatfield.
I'm assuming you must have just received a marriage certificate as you only have father's name - when/where did Frederick marry? Certainly doesn't seem that he was born in 1916.
Annette
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This might be of interest, although it also has Caroline Fincken and Charles Alfred Chatfield, the parents of Frederick Chatfield you may find another contender. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~chatfhs/genealogy-chatfield-uk-database.html
It is part of this site; http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~chatfhs/genealog.html
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Hi All.
Thanks for listing the info above.
I have been looking at possible records for William.
I have found a William Chatfield who married Emily Banks who was a
Provisions Warehouseman as possible parents.
I have them on the 1922 to 1938 London Electoral Rolls living at the same
address Frederick notes on his marriage certificate.
Frederick is noted as 19 which would give him a birth date abt 1918-20.
There is a child born to a mother with a maiden name of Banks, but he is
Alfred P in 1918?
The witnesses on the certficate are E and J Chatfield possible siblings as William
and Emily do have children of those first names.
I found William and Emily on the 1911,1901 censuses with the correct occupation.
Also their marriage in 1897.
I think I will contact the R.O. and ask if they can check their records for a child in 1919.
Thanks again.
Sandy
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Looking at the link youngtug noted it says
CHATFIELD,Alfred F,,M,CHATFIELD,
Alfred,BANKS,Ethel M,,,,1918 4th Qtr,B,GRO 1c 167,"LONDON, Bethnal Green"
This couple marry in Jun 1913 in Wandworth R.O.
Sandy
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Are you still looking for Frederick?
It might be best to list all proven facts, such as marriage/birth/death certs information and what you personally know for fact.
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Agree with youngtug - please give us more specific information.
However, although FreeBMD state the 1918 birth is Alfred P., looking at the original GRO index page it is Alfred F (and it is listed as Alfred F. on Ancestry and FindMyPast).
Annette
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Morning.
Known facts are Frederick Chatfield married in 1938.
Known fact noted as aged 19.
Known fact father William a Provisions Warehouseman.
Known fact William and Emily are living at the same address as
Frederick on his marriage certificate.
Death of Frederick unknown.
Birth of Frederick unknown.
Child noted as being born in 1919 parents are Alfred and Ethel.
I have e-mailed Tower Hamlets in case Frederick's birth is missing of the G.R.O
or he was given another 1st name etc.
( I visited St. Catherine's House years ago and saw people adding their
relatives to the bottom of the pages who were not listed) :)
Sandy
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I don't think it is allowed to write on the ledgers, they got away with it but if seen unless it was done officially, I think they would have been in trouble
I am confused, you originally asked about Frederick born 1916, I did find a Frederick W 1916 Mile End district with parents of the marriage shown, is there another family you are after now
I think a search of baptism records or a cert might be a good idea, he might well have changed his Christian name, not unknown
Louisa Maud
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At the moment, I believe that Frederick Chatfield is the Alfred F. Chatfield (mmn Banks) born Dec.qtr.1918 Bethnal Green.
There is no death entry for this person but no death entry for plain Frederick Chatfield either!
I note from electoral rolls that Frederick and wife Winifred Muriel had moved to Havering by 1964 and still together.
Winifred Muriel Chatfield b.25/2/1920 died Jun.1980 Havering. Were they still together in 1980? Did Frederick notify her death? If not, is it known what happened between 1964 and 1980? Did they separate perhaps? (if so, he may have emigrated).
Did they have a child who'd maybe emigrated? If still together when Winifred died did he decide to emigrate too and live with this child?
I certainly feel that Alfred F. Chatfield born Dec.qtr.1918 and Frederick Chatfield bc.1918 are one and the same and that the likelihood is that either he emigrated some point after 1964 (when we know they were still together) or, indeed, it is even possible he is still alive (would be 95 now) or died sometime after 2005 when online records stop.
Lots of permutations and you might have family history which you haven't mentioned - certainly, it distinctly looks like Alfred F. and Frederick are one and the same and neither of these names appears in death indexes up to 2005.
Annette
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Hi louisa maud.
The entries were added to the ledgers with the consent of staff, they used to be all around us.
Most folk were extremely grateful for the extra names to be added.
After receiving the marriage certificate I changed my original post.
Well if it does turn out to be who I think it might his father was named Isaac
William Chatfield at birth.
Talk about name dropping/changing. :)
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Hi Annette.
I know about Frederick after his marriage so do not need to follow that here.
Except of course his death which I will still look for.
As I previously have said I contacted the relevant R.O. who have replied to me
today that it has been passed to their archives section.
I think once I have received a reply I can mark this as completed.
Thanks to all who have assisted.
Sandy
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I know from experience that the Chatfields can be a problem. If it is Alfred. F. Chatfield born Bethnal Green 1918, Dec, Q. Then his mothers maiden name was Banks. Although Colins list shows him to be born to Alfred & Ethel this may be wrong.
Alfred Chatfield & Ethel Banks marry in 1913,, There is the marriage of William Chatfield & Emily Banks 1897. Dec, Q, Bethnal Green 1c,440. This would fit with your information of Fredericks? parents being William & Emily.
There are 3 other children born Bethnal Green with a mothers maiden name of Banks, they are; Ellen. R. 1913. Dec, Q. Leonard. 1914. Dec, Q, & Harry. R. 1923. Dec. Q,
This is of course a lot of guess work and the certs, would help to clarify a few points.
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Hi.
I heard from Tower Hamlets yesterday who told me they had found a birth for a
Frederick Chaterfield (no year given) with other parents than I suggested.
It would cost £11 or £15 by phone.
Pass.
I had sent for the one from the G.R.O. which has just arrived which means the
Chatfield database is in-correct.
Therefore I will note this as completed.
Sandy
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I found this whilst looking at "deceasedonline". I have unlimited telephone calls so can ring anyone to try and help. One of you said Chatfields are difficult. No more than any other family. Contact me by email at (*) and we can solve all problems between us, I am sure.
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The Alfred P Chatfield born 1918 Bethnal Green isn't. He is actually Alfred F Chatfield. FreeBMD have incorrectly transcribed from a copy of the original whereas I saw the original at St Catherines. A group of us under the banner of "The Chatfield Family History Society", Patron the late Lord Chatfield, transcribed the 19th century and up to 1925 from the original indexes. Unfortunately FreeBMD, who do a fab job, also make mistakes. His parents were Alfred Chatfield and Ethel M Banks married Wandsworth 1913. They had six or seven children.
Colin Chatfield
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Hi.
I am afraid that they are not the parents of Alfred F Chatfiled noted above
as I have the original birth certificate.
Problem now dealt with thanks.
Sandy
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As Chatfield family members are on the forum, does anyone know
if this woman is of the Chatfield Clan.
T.I.A.
Sandy
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Frederick Chatfield was my grandmothers brother. There parents were William and emily Chatfield. Emily,s maiden name was banks. There were eight children altogether. Bill. Lou Daisy. Harry Mari Emily and Rose. Freddie as he was called ran a market stall in Romford until he retired. I believe he also worked as a councillor for a time. His grandson has a page on Facebook with photos of Freddie and his wife Winnie.
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Hi Georgina
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Thanks
wn
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Hi Georgina.
Welcome to Rootschat from me too.
I know of the relative who is my husband's cousin on facebook. :)
Since this posting I have added to the family a lot more now.
Please Dawn can you move as completed.
Thanks Sandy
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Sandy
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I suspect this man is Frederick Walter CHATFIELD
Parents: CHATFIELD Charles Alfred & FINCKEN Caroline
Frederick was born 26 Jan 1916 and registerd in Mile End No. 1c 748
He died 1997 3rd qtr in Thurrock, Essex, registered no 4771 A28A
I am not sure but believe he married CROWLEY, Cecilia M 1940, ESSEX, East Ham.
For full details please see the Chatfield family tree constructed by me and public on https://gw.geneanet.org/chatfhs_w?iz=4457&n=chatfield&oc=0&p=frederick+walter&type=fiche
Regards
Colin Chatfield