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Hi,
I have traced my great great grandfather and some of his brothers to Waterford, but that is about it. As far as towns have been linked (with little) supporting evidance is Kill, Kilmacthomas, Dungarvan, Ballyristeen and Mountain Castle .
Michael McGrath born around 1850 +/- 5 years migrated to Wellington region New Zealand before 1882 (I think 1881). Died Ireland July/August/September 1910. Died at sister residence ballyristeen, sister name unkown. Was well known in NZ as a horse trainer.
Brother...Maurice T McGrath (building Contractor), migrated Wellington regoin New Zealand around 1881. Died in NZ 1906
Brother...Father William McGrath, migrated to Bathurst NSW Australia, then to Wellington New zealand Died NZ 1906.
Brother...Canon McGrath who I beleive may have stayed in Ireland.
A starting point or some advise would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
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Duplicate post on BEGINNERS board-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=674338
Starting with this bit- "Michael McGrath born around 1850 +/- 5 years migrated to Wellington region New Zealand before 1882 (I think 1881). Died Ireland July/August/September 1910. Died at sister residence ballyristeen, sister name unkown."
Ballyristeen is the name of a townland. In 1911 census, shortly after Michael's death there, only 20 females were living there - none named McGrath. Married ones were Margaret Walsh (age 70), Ellie Power (age 34), Kate Walshe (age 38), Margaret Mary Doyle Hanly (age 28). Also four widows Anne Flemming (age 80), Mary Power (age 72), Julia Keily (age 33 but maiden name Walsh) and Margaret Halley (age 70 with nephew Thomas McGrath in household).
Michael's death certificate would give an exact date of death as well as the name of the informant (quite possibly his sister or some of her family).
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Thank you very much for your information on the McGrath family. I am unable to say wheather it is the same family I am after, as Maurice was my grandfather and i have his Death sert and according to that he died 17 Jan 1937, and is buried in the family plot in St Marys Church yard Dungarvan. I also have the marriage cert of Maurice Mcgrath and Mary Moroney. They were Married at the Chaple of Touraneena on 25 Jan 1896. However on both certificates his fathers name was James McGrath, and on his birth cert his mothers name waS Bridget Koen, and father James Mcgrath who is a farmer. Maurice was born inRingville, Co Waterford and the dwelling place of James is Lyre.
I did not know my granfather as he had passed away before I died, and I have since been over to Ireland and found more about him plus more family that I did not know Ihad.
http://www.waterfordmuseum.ie/exhibit/web This link will take you to the archives photgraphs, if you type in CANON MCGRATH it will bring up the picure of THE BURIEL OF mONSIGNOR jOHN KIELY (CANON MCGRATH IS to the left of the cross. My Grandfather is somehow related to Monsignor John Kiely, Please let me know if this means anything to you as I have more information here I am willing to share with you.
I am also in toch with another Mcgrath family in New Zealand and America, so hopfully we can find out if we are all related to the same person.
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Maggie
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Hello McGrath_downunder
* Are you still seeking information for this Maurice McGRATH (d.1910 Co. Waterford - late of Masterton, New Zealand) ?
~ Lu
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Hello McGrath_downunder
* Are you still seeking information for this Maurice McGRATH (d.1910 Co. Waterford - late of Masterton, New Zealand) ?
~ Lu
Hi Lu,
Yes, I a have not gotten very far at all discovering ancestry on Irish soil. I am seeking information on Maurice McGrath snr and his brothers. Michael McGrath snr (my GG Grandfather) died suddenly in 1910 at his sister's house " Ballyristen,"and buried in in Ireland while he was on a trip back to the old country from New Zealand. I can PM you extracted copy of 1911 census showing what I believe is his sister and extract from NZ Wairarapa Daily Times dated 5 September with a story announcing the death of Michael McGrath snr. The article also mentioned that he was a brother of Canon Mcgrath and indicates he was still in Ireland. I have no knowledge on Canon Mcgrath or any other siblings or parents that I did not list in the posting.
any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you and kind regards
Neal McGrath
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P.S.
Lu,
Sorry I did not mean to limit my search just to brothers...I am interested in any family members.
Thanks
Neal
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Hello McGrath_downunder
* Are you still seeking information for this Maurice Michael McGRATH (d.1910 Co. Waterford - late of Masterton, New Zealand) ?
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Hi Neal
... ooops ... just noticed I made an error in above post - it should of course have read "Michael McGRATH (and not Maurice). :-[
I'm not related in any way to the McGRATH's but since 2012 have been endeavouring to assist with an enquiry on the New Zealand Board ("McGrath Family in NZ") which has recently sprung to life again, enabling some progress to be made. [The NZ thread concerns a Peter McGRATH born Waterford c. 1838 - a roading contractor and briefly a publican, whom through NZ newspaper reports of early 1880's, I've learned, had brothers named "Maurice" / "John" / "Michael" apparently residing in Canterbury NZ at that time. They were the nephews of a Rev. John McGRATH, late of Kilmagemogue, Waterford, who died in Ireland sometime in 1882. Peter McGRATH moved from NZ to Sydney where he died in June 1885. ]
As part of the quest to discover more about Peter McGRATH, I've looked at info for the NZ-based McGRATH family of Maurice Thomas, Michael, and Rev. Father William (d. 1906). Initially I'd thought the Michael Thomas (d. 1906) and Michael (d. 1910) McGRATH were the brothers of Peter ... but now I'm not so sure ? [Thanks, but no need for you to PM newspaper articles as I already have these. ]
However, whilst visiting Archives New Zealand in Wellington last week, I noticed there was a Probate file (Letters of Administration) for Michael McGRATH (d. Ireland 1910). Had been hoping there might a copy of his death registration included, but alas, no. Anyway I scribbled some notes from the file and thought you might like to have these (in case they're of help ?).
Will add these in following post.
~ Lu
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NZ Probate Record for :
McGRATH - Michael - Horse Trainer of Masterton
Archives New Zealand Ref: AAOF W5447 18576 Box 39 Record # 37/10
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Extract from above Probate (Letters of Administration) File >
Affidavit of John WALSH of Masterton NZ, farmer : [Dated 21 November 1910]
*... I knew Michael McGRATH ...
* THAT SAID Michael McGRATH died at the residence of Peter HALLY, at Ballyristeen, Co. Waterford, Ireland, on or about 3 September 1910, as I am able to depose from having seen his dead body after death, and from having been present at his funeral.
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Notes:
Michael McGRATH died intestate (i.e. without leaving a will).
Michael's son, Maurice Thomas McGRATH, Horse Trainer of Masterton, applied for Letters of Administration in the Estate of Michael McGRATH [with the blessing of his mother and siblings.]
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Extracts from Probate file of Michael McGRATH (1910) ... continued :
From Affidavit of Administrator ( Maurice Thomas McGRATH )
* Michael McGRATH was my natural father.
* The following children survived him; myself and five sons >
- Owen William McGRATH of Sydney, Horse Trainer - 24 years of age
- Thomas John McGRATH of Sydney, Jockey aged 20 years
- Michael Patrick McGRATH of Masterton, Jockey - aged 15 years
- William John Joseph McGRATH of Masterton, Jockey - aged 14 years
- Peter Patrick Paul McGRATH of Masterton, Schoolboy - aged 12 years
and two daughters >
- Kathleen Gertrude McGRATH - 16 years
- Mary Cecilia McGRATH - 22 years
... both Spinsters, of Masterton.
Note: This affidavit also mentions that Michael McGRATH's wife is still living -- though it does not actually name her ??
A further affidavit "Service of Notice to Apply for Letters of Administration" (of Maurice Thomas McGRATH, Horse Trainer of Masterton), states that Notice was served on Catherine McGRATH, widow, (his mother) and his sister, Mary Cecilia McGRATH.
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Extracted info from Probate file of Michael McGRATH (d. 1910) ... continued :
Affidavit of Catherine* McGRATH, Widow of Masterton :
* .... perfectly willing for my son Maurice Thomas McGRATH to apply to administer estate.
* .... preference that he should administer rather than Public Trust (in order to save commission which would have been payable to them.)
Dated : 14 November 1910
Signed : Catherine McGRATH [in her own hand]
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[Note: Added the above re: Catherine McGRATH (to show that she used that name) because I see in some of online family trees, that she is referred to as "Kathleen" - and indeed that seems to be the Christian name under which she was buried ?? ]
* Have you got Catherine's / "Kathleen's" burial details? There was also an obituary published for her.
~ Lu
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Hi Lu,
Thank you very much for your time collating that info. Was there anything mentioned about estate value or what he owned?
I do not have a copy of Kathleen Obituary can you send please? I do have a copy of her birth certificate. I have seen her name written both as Kathleen and Catherine so makes it difficult to trace. Also her maiden name I have seen recorded as Moran and Monahan.
It was good to get finalisation of the siblings names as I had pieced together all the boys but was not certain of the girls names as most births I could not locate on NZ BDM.
As far as our family being linked I am not sure...the family names are very similar and origin being Waterford Ireland I dare say they could have some connection that we have not discovered yet.
Could you do me a favour the next time you are at the probate record facility could you look up Kathleen (Catherine) McGrath.
Thanks
Neal
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Hi Lu,
Thank you very much for your time collating that info. Was there anything mentioned about estate value or what he owned?
I do not have a copy of Kathleen Obituary can you send please? I do have a copy of her birth certificate. I have seen her name written both as Kathleen and Catherine so makes it difficult to trace. Also her maiden name I have seen recorded as Moran and Monahan.
It was good to get finalisation of the siblings names as I had pieced together all the boys but was not certain of the girls names as most births I could not locate on NZ BDM.
As far as our family being linked I am not sure...the family names are very similar and origin being Waterford Ireland I dare say they could have some connection that we have not discovered yet.
Could you do me a favour the next time you are at the probate record facility could you look up Kathleen (Catherine) McGrath.
Thanks
Neal
Opps..just realised that I made a mistake...I do not have a copy of Kathleen birth cert, I have a copy of her death cert. Kathleen McGrath is buried in Masterton’s Archer Street cemetery. She was the landlady at the Blairlogie Hotel (no longer in existence) some miles east of Masterton. Her “late” husband Michael McGrath was said to have been well known in racing circles. She had been in the Wairarapa for 18 years
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Hi Neal
Have further information for you but at present have a "cranky" computer which needs attention.
Hopefully by next week I'll be able to respond in more depth.
~ Lu
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Possibly your Michael McGrath is a descendant of my Michael McGrath from Waterford. He was born in 1773, so in about 1799 he would have married and had a son sooner or later called Michael McGrath, ditto Michael Jnr in about 1823 and the next Michael Junior in about 1850. My Michael McGrath was transported to Australia in 1809, having got into some kind of trouble in Kilkenny which isn't documented. He was very rebellious, escaping from custody and going on the run. Going by Irish naming traditions his parents were probably called Thomas and Margaret. Other names in the family are Mary Ann, Thomas, James, Ann, Michael, John. I know this because Michael married in Australia later in life and had children, but he must have had children back in Ireland as well. I have a photo of Michael's daughter and some grandsons and daughters if you want to compare. His daughter, my g.g. grandmother, had auburn hair which I have inherited from her.
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Hi Lucy, I've just read your post regarding a Peter McGrath born Waterford c 1838, a road contractor who moved to Sydney from NZ where he died in 1885. I too am trying to research a Peter McGrath who was a contractor in NZ and wondering if we have the same person. The Peter I am researching had a daughter Mary Elizabeth McGrath who was born in Rangiora New Zealand c 1871.(Her death certificate states her mother's name was Sarah, surname unknown) Mary Elizabeth McGrath arrived in Sydney Australia in about 1887 (ie at 16 years of age). She married Daniel Sheehan in Sydney in 1892. Daniel and Mary Elizabeth Sheehan had 8 children John Maurice, William Gladstone, Vincent Aquinas, Nora M E, Leo Francis, May V , Daniel and Francis Thomas. Mary Elizabeth died in 1922 at age 51 from cancer of the uterus.
In my research I keep coming across the various names listed in this thread re "McGrath's of Waterford County" and I'm trying to make the connection between them and my Peter McGrath and his daughter Mary Elizabeth McGrath. Any information you may have to help me make this connection would be gratefully received.
Many thanks in anticipation!
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Hi Barb,
What is it you are searching for about Peter in particular?
Peter McGrath (contractor) is my 2nd Great Grandfather. I have a significant amount of information about him, and his wife Margaret (Matilda) McCoy (Turner), as well as their children, with the exception of one daughter who has eluded me. Mary Elizabeth may be her. I do hope so :-)
Warm Regards
Julianne
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Hi Julieanne,
Many thanks for your reply. My request for information was for a client who, according to the death certificate of her grandmother Mary Elizabeth Sheehan (nee McGrath) believes that Peter McGrath is her great grandfather. Mary Elizabeth's death certificate indicates she was born in Rangiora NZ c 1871 to Peter McGrath (contractor) and Sarah (surname unknown).
My client was seeking any information about the parents and siblings of her grandmother as well as any information as to their origins. Due to the sad circumstances in her family of a genetic kidney disease, where most of her father's (Sheehan) family died early in life , my client has little or no information regarding her grandmother's family. As my client also has inherited this disease, she is trying to learn as much as possible about her ancestry to pass on to her children.
I notice that your 2nd great grandfather Peter was married to Margaret McCoy (Turner). Do you know if she was ever referred to as Sarah, or whether Peter had another marriage or liaison with a Sarah? Is there a reason why one daughter has eluded you or why you think Mary Elizabeth might be the missing daughter? Are there any similarities in the given names of your Peter's family in comparison to Mary Elizabeth Sheehan's children?(mentioned in my first post).
I guess my questions are trying to determine whether we have the same Peter McGrath (contractor). Given Mary Elizabeth died at age 51 (in 1922 of cancer of the uteri and anaemia) and her death certificate informant was her son, I suspect that the details on her certificate would be fairly reliable. Equally, I don't imagine there were too many Peter McGrath's who were contractors in New Zealand and who had children in the area of Rangiora.
Any further responses to make a connection between the two families will be very gratefully received,
Regards Barbara
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Hi Barb,
I have sent you a personal message with additional information
Warm regards
Julianne
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I am looking for information about Jeremiah McGrath of Waterford who migrated to Australia around 1860. Jeremiah McGrath was the only child (born 1840) of (possibly) Lawrence, and his mother's name before her marriage had been Margaret Lamb (Jeremiah's parents). They were farmers who lived in Waterford, Ireland and died when Jeremiah was very young, probably about three years old. An aunt and uncle, who like his parents were farming people, brought him up. As a young man he came to Australia (about 1860) and earned a living working for a farmer in Victoria for a short time.
Beyond this we have no information about Jeremiah other than of his time in Australia.
Can anyone add to the story?
Greg McGrath (Great Grandson)
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Any replys for Greg request best posted to this thread
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=757085.new#new
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I am interested in the McGraths of Waterford. My 3rd great-grandfather was Edward McGrath born about 1825. In the 1861-1891 census for England he states his birthplace as Waterford. I know in 1845 he had moved to Bristol, England as have this is when he married Mary Anne King, but I don't know exactly when the move was made. I believe that his father was called William who I have to assume stayed in Ireland or died before 1841 as am unable to find him in any census of England.